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Afaik, the current alcohol law is already partially banning the sells or limit the sells of alcohol beverages on public store except for certain store that have special permit to sell it.(?)

The current law on my view is already good, in a way complete ban will result of giving rise to bootleg alcohol sold on the street and crime syndicate similar to what @Madokafc said. In contrast, an outright alcohol sell will result fatal accidents increase due to DUI, I personally do not trust indonesia police or vehicle drivers in avoiding or controlling the DUI incidents, even US DUI accident case still problematic. Not to mention 80% of indonesian drivers bribe their own way for their driving license.

The only thing I agree in turning the law's status quo is increasing the cukai price every year for certain percents and milk those smokers and drunkard's wallet dry. Both smokes and alcohol kill the non user, but they kill differently, might as well extort the users dry.

Yup better to increase the tax or other direct bea for alcohol beverage and smoke to control the distribution of such goods and made them expensive enough so the average minor can't touch them.
 

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This Alcohol Bill is perfect definition of "beating a dead horse", indonesian Alcohol consumption per capita is among the lowest in the world already, and indonesian are more into coffee or tea culture than alcohol, there is nothing wrong with the current law and trust me this bill will never pass, remember many politician and even local government got money from this alcohol bussiness. Hell even Jakarta Provincial Government have stock share in some alcohol companies.

This law is nothing more than just PKS being PKS, if you want something controversial look at PKS "perlindungan Ulama (tokoh agama) bill" that shit look like something that come from 7th century.

I really hope RUU PKS will pass, that bill is probably the most socially progressive bill ever made which is no wonder make all the islamist really mad.

Btw glad we all moving here, even tho i'm only an SR in pdf.
It's really sad to see how bias the mod in that forum.
 
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Gw lebih suka kalau "diperbantukan" tanpa seragam aja sekalian.

In some cases that would only exarcebated the risk .
Afaik, the current alcohol law is already partially banning the sells or limit the sells of alcohol beverages on public store except for certain store that have special permit to sell it.(?)

The current law on my view is already good, in a way complete ban will result of giving rise to bootleg alcohol sold on the street and crime syndicate similar to what @Madokafc said. In contrast, an outright alcohol sell will result fatal accidents increase due to DUI, I personally do not trust indonesia police or vehicle drivers in avoiding or controlling the DUI incidents, even US DUI accident case still problematic. Not to mention 80% of indonesian drivers bribe their own way for their driving license.

The only thing I agree in turning the law's status quo is increasing the cukai price every year for certain percents and milk those smokers and drunkard's wallet dry. Both smokes and alcohol kill the non user, but they kill differently, might as well extort the users dry.
As heavy djisamsoe lover i'm very much condemn this biased and destuctive for my wallet's idea


Come on i get leeched by the state daily and all you want to double down on that !!


😭😭
 

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In some cases that would only exarcebated the risk .

As heavy djisamsoe lover i'm very much condemn this biased and destuctive for my wallet's idea


Come on i get leeched by the state daily and all you want to double down on that !!


😭😭

I am still found Cigarettes price is too much damn cheap, average kids nowadays can bought them !!!

This habit must be stopped by let them know, such habit is too damn pricey to sustain without adequate daily income
 

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I am still found Cigarettes price is too much damn cheap, average kids nowadays can bought them !!!
It depend on whose kid . Most of my employee are starting to " nglinting dewe " this days just to save some money . And to think most of them were taking between 1000 to 1800 on weekly basis depending the job orders . Advertising and manufacturing get a very big hit these day .
 

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It depend on whose kid . Most of my employee are starting to " nglinting dewe " this days just to save some money . And to think most of them were taking between 1000 to 1800 on weekly basis depending the job orders . Advertising and manufacturing get a very big hit these day .
Average kids who doesn't have stable income and depend on pocket money
 

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Untuk membahas operasi TNI yg lagi berlangsung seperti di Papua atau poso enaknya di sub forum mana ya?
Kalau di thread salah satu angkatan kayaknya gak cocok karena operasinya bisa saja melibatkan berbagai angkatan.
 

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Untuk membahas operasi TNI yg lagi berlangsung seperti di Papua atau poso enaknya di sub forum mana ya?
Kalau di thread salah satu angkatan kayaknya gak cocok karena operasinya bisa saja melibatkan berbagai angkatan.
Internal issue ae
 

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Amental case Feng "nuke everyone" Leng posting repeatedly that Pakistan would be nothing without China.
Well they do have a point there you know
The problem really started after they got emboldened when Turks were told to stay away from certain topics outside of their section and all the earlier Chinese "mods" also left and none to replace (and thus trolls ended up filling that role....with alt-accounting and all kind of other games they do)
aaach now I see the root problem. I personally don't care much about the presence of trolls, because that what ignore list is for. But when a site began condoning trolling for traffic ($) that start disturb me. More so when I've noticed the trolls were part of the management team and trolling using such privilege. Luckily most of them aren't technically bright either, so I could get a glimpse of their stats and running lightweight analytical on few of them.
BTW I've also noticed at least one of them (a former Indonesian / pelarian glodok) were running analytical just like I do on Indonesian posters
 

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ada yg main world of warship blitz?
Nope I only play simulator grade or wargaming type. I no longer could afford playing any MMORPG.

As for simulator this is what I'm currently playing albeit with additional mod for more immersive (realistic) playing.

 

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Ain't no use complaining bro.
I hope this place will be different.
 

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Average kids who doesn't have stable income and depend on pocket money
Well especialy for them i would blame their parents and close relatives . While most of my employe were a family man . We always point to the young uns heavily to start make their own income before doing something silly just for an appearence sake . You could only walk and talk so far without your own means and incomes . Well , what could i say ... Metal related industry were always a roughneck neighbourhood .... Not everybody could get bhaskoro chances and opportunity . He was a rare case and inspiring one ..👍👍
 

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All , could we starting to move on and left all those depressing past story behind.... ??? I just wish for a healthy environment without much of past baggages start to weighting all of us in the coming days

Pretty please .... 🙏🙏
 

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Well, I rarely post on other thread there. I have seen the "unbalance" treatmant, tho to me I really dont care much. Arguing with people who live in heavily control media, social media tells me that I would be wasting my time. When one country has concentration camp or as they say "education" camp we will know that those people live in the buble of fabricated information and surely limited knowledge of whats going on. So yeah, waste of time for me.

Btw no mrgreen emote here :cry::cry::cry:
 

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Well they do have a point there you know

It wasn't the message per se (wasn't the first or last time some wumao chided Pakistanis on that message), it was the manner and method that stood out to me.

The crazed fool was literally saying 180 degree opposite before and afterwards outside of the thread and in no time everyone was gaslit to normal operating conditions same ole same ole...I was like huh WTF? I saw this happen again and again only with this particular lot.

That sheer level of extreme inconsistency (for most disgusting kind of trolling) is not tolerated with any nationality...even Pakistani (in fact lot of good pak members have been banned and perma banned on very small things)....but special exception for these.

He is just one example of many that have not only been tolerated, but deliberately cultivated and emboldened.

There is actually a systematic agenda much more than the cha-ching from troll swamp profiteering. Reasons why is just going to take too long to explain, and its really not important for non-Pakistani people in the end.

Looking back I now know exactly when I stumbled on something and honestly reported (and get targeted later for my efforts), by assuming the mods are not part of the game.

Seeing how it ultimately went with Turks there (over literally the most non-issue of non-issues), I only didn't know the true scale of the agenda permeation till the very end.

aaach now I see the root problem. I personally don't care much about the presence of trolls, because that what ignore list is for. But when a site began condoning trolling for traffic ($) that start disturb me. More so when I've noticed the trolls were part of the management team and trolling using such privilege. Luckily most of them aren't technically bright either, so I could get a glimpse of their stats and running lightweight analytical on few of them.
BTW I've also noticed at least one of them (a former Indonesian / pelarian glodok) were running analytical just like I do on Indonesian posters

True. Anyway new better start here now...that kind of problem is something you just want to not have in first place. Big issue there now is stubbornness in admitting the problem and you were wrong etc...

I can talk at large length and detail about all kind of things/drama there but what's the real point? It is spilled milk, time to move on...given the lessons were always very obvious to anyone with a basic decency.

These issues will never originate here, fair rules and fair opportunity for all nations (each has own mod for own section etc when they arrive + active enough etc).
 

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All , could we starting to move on and left all those depressing past story behind.... ??? I just wish for a healthy environment without much of past baggages start to weighting all of us in the coming days

Pretty please .... 🙏🙏

Yup time to move on, though this discussion is inevitable since a big recent transfer of folks just happened and ppl are wondering about context etc.

It will dwindle naturally too as people settle in and better discussion topics establish.

So yes time to move on ahead and do something lot better, time is valuable and scarce. :p
 

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Ngajakin mabar apa gimana?

Who should replace fishery minister if P is proven guilty?

LBP should focus on something else.

I really like SP
 

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