Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Lordimperator]

I wonder what earlier generation like (Alm) Martadinata thinks if he knows that the navy we inherit from him goes from a fleet designed to menace the Dutch and Australia into a Navy in a constant losing competition with Singapore.

Wonder if the next govt will be able to catching them up *atleast Singapore, and make preps before PRC doing shenanigans in Natuna.

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641744895684804610

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641745452386369536

Hmmmh SSN for Indonesia?

Interesting development.

Which one is actually louder, nuclear sub vs Li-ion sub?

I always believe even small nuclear reactor in submarine creates considerable noise. So I still prefer Li-ion. But I might be wrong.

For deterrent effect though, nothing can beat NUCLEAR submarine. Heck even NUCLEAR gojek will make AUKUS ketar-ketir.

 

[Gary]

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[Nilgiri]

Interesting development.

Which one is actually louder, nuclear sub vs Li-ion sub?

I always believe even small nuclear reactor in submarine creates considerable noise. So I still prefer Li-ion. But I might be wrong.

For deterrent effect though, nothing can beat NUCLEAR submarine. Heck even NUCLEAR gojek will make AUKUS ketar-ketir.

Of course a nuclear sub will always be louder (with same investment of noise suppression for both)....it is nature of just having such pumps to begin with that batteries, fuel cell etc does away with.

You have to spend lot more money to bring an SSN down to SSK+AIP noise level.

In the end it just depends if the pro's outweigh the cons w.r.t which opponent (and their platform portfolio) you expect as likeliest.

i.e is the extra endurance (+power projection) of an SSN worth the investment compared to SSK+AIP (and building and networking more of the latter).

i.e where, when and how is best to interdict the opponent with rest of your force structure.

 

[Lordimperator]

I always believe even small nuclear reactor in submarine creates considerable noise. So I still prefer Li-ion. But I might be wrong

Nuclear can maintain highspeed for hunting CSG, while Li ion stay hidden in a place while waiting the enemies to come, depends on doctrines being used i guess, while for IDN still need large quantity of sub, so li ion ssk cheaper might be a viable option.

 

[NEKO]

France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program​

The AUKUS program will provide new submarines for the Royal Australian Navy, Royal Navy and French Navy (Marine Nationale)


The French government has joined the previously trinational AUKUS submarine program. Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States are already involved in the 368 billion dollar project. The plan is to build and deliver a new class of nuclear-powered attack submarine for the respective navies. Now the French Navy (Marine Nationale) could receive up to four submarines under the plans.

The AUKUS submarine deal was announced in a joint session by British, the American and Australian leaders on September 18 2021. A follow-up announcement on March 13 2023 confirmed that the British SSN(R) program would form the basis of the AUKUS design. It is unclear whether the French boats will be exactly like their Anglo-Saxon counterparts, or slightly slimmer.

Design Influences​

There were already indications that this new partnership was imminent. It may explain why some official images of the then-called AUKUS submarine, released March 14, appear to show it with a French style sail. The sail depicted closely resembled the Barracuda class submarine which is now entering service with the French Navy.

In anticipation of cost overruns with the interior design of the crew accommodation and galley spaces, the submarines will be built for-but-not-with (FBNW) torpedo tubes. The new arrangement could save millions in operating costs. This is according to an anonymous source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

The torpedo tube situation would not be permeant. “In the event of increased tensions or the outbreak of hostilities” the source added “the submarines could be rebuilt with torpedo tubes in just a matter of years”. It should be remembered that a 4 year overhaul is considered short in submarine terms. Especially in Canada.
The submarine service remains silent on the new deal.

Joint Construction Key To Success​

It is understood that the submarines will be built in a new facility exactly halfway between Southampton and Cherbourg. The latter is the home of French submarine building. Such a political decision was widely expected. It is the hallmark of international collaborations in the defense arena. Australia’s submarines will be built locally in Australian yards, and assembled in France and the United Kingdom. The completed submarines will then be shipped by rail via the Suez Canal to Australia.

The upgraded program will be renamed FUKUS after France joins. Following the expected formal announcement, the submerge à trois will become a submerge à quatre. Boris Johnson, who was among the leaders who originally announced the AUKUS program, is said to be keen to join the celebrations. A Downing Street spokesperson has preemptively denied the existence of the planned catered business meetings.

It is understood that Canada will not be allowed to join FUKUS for common decency reasons.

France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program - Naval News

Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France.

www.navalnews.com

Naval news special edition is finally here.

Ini cuman april fools loh ya.

 

[Gary]

what date is it ?

 

[NEKO]

what date is it ?

Shhhhh.......

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Umigami]

Interest on LM product from such a young age!
Is she your daughter, Mado?

 

[NEKO]

France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program​

Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France. The United States is also providing key elements, including interim submarines for the Royal Australian Navy.​

The French government has joined the previously trinational AUKUS submarine program. Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States are already involved in the 368 billion dollar project. The plan is to build and deliver a new class of nuclear-powered attack submarine for the respective navies. Now the French Navy (Marine Nationale) could receive up to four submarines under the plans.


The AUKUS submarine deal was announced in a joint session by British, the American and Australian leaders on September 18 2021. A follow-up announcement on March 13 2023 confirmed that the British SSN(R) program would form the basis of the AUKUS design. It is unclear whether the French boats will be exactly like their Anglo-Saxon counterparts, or slightly slimmer.

Design Influences​

There were already indications that this new partnership was imminent. It may explain why some official images of the then-called AUKUS submarine, released March 14, appear to show it with a French style sail. The sail depicted closely resembled the Barracuda class submarine which is now entering service with the French Navy.


In anticipation of cost overruns with the interior design of the crew accommodation and galley spaces, the submarines will be built for-but-not-with (FBNW) torpedo tubes. The new arrangement could save millions in operating costs. This is according to an anonymous source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.


The torpedo tube situation would not be permeant. “In the event of increased tensions or the outbreak of hostilities” the source added “the submarines could be rebuilt with torpedo tubes in just a matter of years”. It should be remembered that a 4 year overhaul is considered short in submarine terms. Especially in Canada.


The submarine service remains silent on the new deal.

Joint Construction Key To Success​

It is understood that the submarines will be built in a new facility exactly halfway between Southampton and Cherbourg. The latter is the home of French submarine building. Such a political decision was widely expected. It is the hallmark of international collaborations in the defense arena. Australia’s submarines will be built locally in Australian yards, and assembled in France and the United Kingdom. The completed submarines will then be shipped by rail via the Suez Canal to Australia.


The upgraded program will be renamed FUKUS after France joins. Following the expected formal announcement, the submerge à trois will become a submerge à quatre. Boris Johnson, who was among the leaders who originally announced the AUKUS program, is said to be keen to join the celebrations. A Downing Street spokesperson has preemptively denied the existence of the planned catered business meetings.


It is understood that Canada will not be allowed to join FUKUS for common decency reasons.

France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program - Naval News

Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France.

www.navalnews.com

This year's victim.

 

[NEKO]

@Bogeyman pls no hate, last year it was quite spectacular after all so I wondered who will be the victim this year.

 

[Bogeyman]

@Bogeyman pls no hate, last year it was quite spectacular after all so I wondered who will be the victim this year.

No problem. I don't care that much. That's the punishment for a moment's heedlessness.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641803707561152513

Jerman ketularan beli "ketengan" ala Indo kah ini.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641803707561152513

Jerman ketularan beli "ketengan" ala Indo kah ini.

Ciri2 negara yang kelamaan damai dan ogah ogahan memperkuat pertahanan padahal keadaan sekitar udah memdesak.

 

[NEKO]

Kerasnya Ledakan Kilang Minyak Pertamina di Dumai, Masjid dan Rumah Warga Rusak : Okezone News

Bagian plafon yang roboh terjadi baik di dalam maupun di bagian luar masjidnbspnbsp - Nusantara - Okezone News

news.okezone.com

Dan terjadi lagi kisah lama yang terulang kembali.

 

[this is crunch]

Kerasnya Ledakan Kilang Minyak Pertamina di Dumai, Masjid dan Rumah Warga Rusak : Okezone News

Bagian plafon yang roboh terjadi baik di dalam maupun di bagian luar masjidnbspnbsp - Nusantara - Okezone News

news.okezone.com

Dan terjadi lagi kisah lama yang terulang kembali.

Ini Pertamina sering banget meledak ledak, terlalu semangat apa, dari 2020 aja udah sekitar 4(?) kilang berbeda yang meledak. Aku bukan cuma mau nyalahin Pertamina, pasti itu urusan SOP dan kondisi equipment eksisting yang kena, tapi juga aku mau nyalahin lembaga/badan investigasi, soalnya kenapa, karna ini

di U.S, mereka punya USCSB - the United States Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board - , jadi disana mereka tu setiap terjadi accident kerja yang major, dia investigasi secara keseluruhan, bikin dan dipublikasikan video olah kejadiannya, terus dia bikin rekomendasi dan update standarisasi kualitas tiap tahunnya bersama API - American Petroleum Institute (satu satunya asosiasi industri minyak dan gas alam disana) trs implementasi standar itupun didorong oleh pemerintah pusat melalui pemerintah negara bagian, intinya disana standar industrinya ketat,

terus kita ?

 

[Zinan 二]

Halo suhu2 formil sekalian ane mau tanya nih, kan Indonesia sampai periode 2 pemerintah an sekarang ga beli alutsista yang Wow or main alutsista dari Paman Sam nih. Trus seandainya Amerika tiba2 mencabut GSP karena kesel sama Indonesia gara2 surplus perdagangan ga ada niatan buat memperkecil atau membeli barang Amerika biar rada seimbang lah neraca dagang nya. Trus gara2 itu Indonesia deficit dagang besar2 expor sama impor ga terkendali gedeaan impor nya, lha apakah pemerintah bisa mengantisipasinya?
Trus kedepane kalo deficit besar2 an kan pemerintah menambal dengan utang, apakah peta jalan or MEF/EF buat modernisasi akan terhambat disebabkan hematnya anggaran?

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642534133552369664

Mungkin ada yg kegocek kali ya

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642625381608857602