Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702386842853580858

 

[schuimpjes]

MAJU…. MAJU at 4:00 lol

For non-Indonesian, maju means forward btw

 

[Umigami]

Mumpung berita KF21 lagi naik disini.
Another Korea with stealth fighter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702576971350200682

 

[this is crunch]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702386842853580858

oh god, malu banget kayanya si astronomer pas tau ternyata itu kerjaan orang gabut.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702673917109063818

 

[schuimpjes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702673917109063818

*facepalm* That guy gonna spread it to Indonesia and people gonna take that I think lol. Slowly Indonesian gonna consider that illegally occupied territories are Russian.

And also, Narasi Newsroom become ura-ura youtube channel lol. Russian really winning in Indonesian information space.

Crudely made flow of what people see of the outside world, this would affect Indonesian foreign policy. Israel–Palestinian conflict happen, Indonesia filled with anti-Israeli sentiments in information space, this is the start I think. US and the so called West are relatively with Israel, so many people against them. Some down to the rabbit hole of anti-semitism.

This Israel–Palestinian conflict must end. Both sides have shitty people for sure, even, extreme right–wing of Israel (colloquially called as Kahanist) growing now and want Israel to take the whole West Bank Area, how can peace be made by this? BTW, this kind of extremists also like the one that killed Yitzhak Rabin. From Palestinian side, some even come to the Israeli side of territory and launching rockets to Israeli cities with intention to kill people, people they never meet or talk personally, basically strangers they don’t know, why and for what? with this scale of hatred, how it will end?

 

[Gary]

Mumpung berita KF21 lagi naik disini.
Another Korea with stealth fighter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702576971350200682

What if ... North Korean ammo for food and Su-57

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702673917109063818

Yup congratulations Westerners, you just realized that most of the time journalists are "vulture feeding the suffering of other people" for the story.

This "vultures" used to cover bombings like this and win prizes

If these guys are not "vultures feeding upon the suffering of other people" then most of the time they're just playing NPC. LMAO

Cook and Cohen, "How Television Sold the Panama Invasion"

msuweb.montclair.edu

CBS News sponsored a public opinion poll in Panama that found the residents in rapture over what happened. Even 80 percent of those whose homes had been blown up or their relatives killed by US forces said it was worth it. Their enthusiasm did not stop with the ousting of Gen. Manual Noriega, however. A less heavily advertised result of the poll was that 82% of the sampled Panamanian patriots did not want Panamanian control of the Canal, preferring either partial of exclusive control by the US ("Panamanians Strongly Back US Move," New York Times, 1/6/90).

A "public opinion poll" in a country under martial law, conducted by an agency obviously sanctioned by the invading forces, can be expected to come up with such results. Most reporters, traveling as they did with the US military, found little to contradict this picture. Less than 40 hours after the invasion began, Sam Donaldson and Judd Rose transported us to Panama via ABC's Prime Time Live (12/21/90). "There were people who applauded us as we went by in a military convoy," said Rose. "The military have been very good to us [in escorting reporters beyond the Canal Zone]," added Donaldson.

In the first days of the invasion, TV journalists had one overriding obsession: *How many American soldiers have died?* The question, repeated with drumbeat regularity, tended to drown out the other issues: Panamanian casualties, international law, foreign reaction. On the morning of the invasion, CBS anchor Kathleen Sullivan's voice cracked with emotion for the US soldiers: "Nine killed, more than 50 wounded. How long can this fighting go on?" Unknown and unknowable to CBS viewers, hundreds of Panamanians had already been killed by then, many buried in their homes.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702850196500353418

We can meme that face

 

[schuimpjes]

Footages from War in Afghanistan 80s

Eventhough at the first video we can see more weapons involved, but the second video’s attacks were more coordinated, the cameraman even got so close with Soviet convoy at night.

I don’t think 2 clean shaved english speakers of the second video as ordinary people, 1 of it a doctor they said but I think both of them were Pakistani ISI advising Afghan Guerilla lol. Why did a doctor get close to one of Afghan major hydroelectric dam and plotting to cut the power of Kabul?

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702850196500353418

We can meme that face

Reminds me of the penguin deployed in vietnam war.

 

[Gary]

Assume a task force this size comes our way, how are we planning to fend them off? Is 42 Rafale and 24 F-15 enuf ?

 

[Lordimperator]

Assume a task force this size comes our way, how are we planning to fend them off? Is 42 Rafale and 24 F-15 enuf ?

Nope

 

[NEKO]

Assume a task force this size comes our way, how are we planning to fend them off? Is 42 Rafale and 24 F-15 enuf ?

10 Rafale 2 x Exocet each and mica, 4 Rafale meteor and mica.
The pespur number is ok, i am more worried about the missile that we able to stock pile.

 

[Gary]

10 Rafale 2 x Exocet each and mica, 4 Rafale meteor and mica.
The pespur number is ok, i am more worried about the missile that we able to stock pile.

I hope that is enough but assume each air defense escort (Type 052D) fires 2 SAMs at each AShM, they still have spare missiles for 2nd wave, So yes the missile stockpile worries me too, because if we're to overwhelm their defense we'll need saturation.

That would need a stockpile of Exocets in the hundreds possibly thousands.

 

[Gary]

Also, strike aircraft numbers need to take into account the inevitable heavy losses trying to take out CSG that size

 

[Umigami]

10 Rafale 2 x Exocet each and mica, 4 Rafale meteor and mica.
The pespur number is ok, i am more worried about the missile that we able to stock pile.

I hope that is enough but assume each air defense escort (Type 052D) fires 2 SAMs at each AShM, they still have spare missiles for 2nd wave, So yes the missile stockpile worries me too, because if we're to overwhelm their defense we'll need saturation.

That would need a stockpile of Exocets in the hundreds possibly thousands.

Stockpile harpoon and JDAM too

 

[NEKO]

Bakal enak kalo boleh pake F-35.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702966948508962929

 

[Gary]

Stockpile harpoon and JDAM too

Winged naval JDAM (Quickstrike), but assume F-15EX (their most likely carrier) closing in, they would be sitting duck for PLAN J-15 CAP.

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Also, I think the F-16 Viper upgrade needs to be equipped with HTS targeting systems for HARM. Those big Type 346 radars onboard the Luyang IIIs are HARM natural breakfast.