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banyak org yg sinis terhadap knp jokowi sampai punya ank emas kyk luhut, muldoko, bahlil, eric, SMI sekarang 08 jadi anak emas juga, karena yg paling susah dalam manajemen itu bos ga usah ngomong tapi anak buah bisa jalanin sesuai keinginan. jokowi tau intel pun ga perlu ngomong panjang lebar ke anak buah dan saya yakin ga ada itu omongan jegal si anu, dorong si anu. Sudah jelas kok jokowi ga mau yg direncanakan jaman SBY, dilaksanakan dan dimodifikasi sama dia terhenti cuma gara gara capres jago ngomong ga bisa kerja. sudah terbukti di jakarta, program direncanakan jaman SBY bisa stop setelah jokowi dan ahok ga ada di jakarta.

Why not bring back New Order regime right now?
 

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The key actually lies not in number of our weaponry but number of Ally we had, without Ally you cant Fend off Chinese alone
loh, aku kan fans berat Dragon Roar.. tau kan gimana pentingnya SDM indo buat US and allies buat lawan china, lagi pula aku cuma jawab si Gary
 

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Why not bring back New Order regime right now?
you forgot Term n conditions in year 65, hungry people, economic chatastropic, and political hero. mau pake cara apa, disaat rakyat eforia kebebasan tiba tiba jadi negara aturan ketat, yg ada indonesia di gangbang jadi negara negara kecil..
 

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Using state apparatus for party-related purpose. That's not illegal for you ?
He is act as a president of the nation in that moment . The question is wether he were still tied to his former party at the present moment .
The way i see it .. he is not now.
Thanks to their own blunder ...ganjar and mak banteng shot their own foot in their latest stunt .
And i thanks the god for it...
 

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What stunt?
Failed world cup .... jokowi and co bet a lot of state money for it to succeds yet botched by his own party . And it created a dent in state coffers . And it pissed SMI a lot ...😂😂
So , ganjar could kiss his ass goodbye on jokowi's approval by now ....
Many doesn't seem to realized or even acknowledged this ... nowadays jokowi is a kingmaker in flesh.
 

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Failed world cup .... jokowi and co bet a lot of state money for it to succeds yet botched by his own party . And it created a dent in state coffers . And it pissed SMI a lot ...😂😂
So , ganjar could kiss his ass goodbye on jokowi's approval by now ....
Many doesn't seem to realized or even acknowledged this ... nowadays jokowi is a kingmaker in flesh.
will it confirm that he puts his blessing on 08?
 

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will it confirm that he puts his blessing on 08?
If he even giving it ... i don't think it will come cheap tho'... there are a reason on why ET's name were suddenly thrown around as VP candidate lately ...
Unless you could give me another name that could be considered as JKW's protege . Off course , then it will creates another dynamics in the political landscape ... and after U23 succes ..he has more lead compared to the other candidates .
All of it just my wild assumption tho' .... just take it with a shovel of salt if you do ... 👍👍
 

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will it confirm that he puts his blessing on 08?
there was a reason, Mega crown prince suddenly sing a song like this

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Waktumu sudah habis
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Janjimu tipu muslihat
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Tapi sisa waktu kesumatmu

Dasar kau pengkhianat
Pengkhianat berwajah santun
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dont think this was for BS
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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there was a reason, Mega crown prince suddenly sing a song like this

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Mati langkahku kau buat

Janjimu tipu muslihat
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Cukup sampai di sini lukaku dendamnya kurawat
Tapi sisa waktu kesumatku

Dasar kau pengkhianat

Pengkhianat berwajah santun
Dasar kau pengkhianat
Lihat kuburmu adalah tempatmu

Tempus Abire Tibi Est (Kamu Sudah Saatnya Pergi)
Tempus Abire Tibi Est (Kamu Sudah Saatnya Pergi)
Tempus Abire Tibi Est (Kamu Sudah Saatnya Pergi)

Waktumu sudah habis
Manusia tak punya malu

Janjimu tipu muslihat
Senyummu bulus membius
Cukup sampai di sini lukaku dendamnya kurawat
Tapi sisa waktu kesumatmu

Dasar kau pengkhianat
Pengkhianat berwajah santun
Dasar kau pengkhianat
Lihat kuburmu adalah tempatmu

Tempus Abire Tibi Est (Kamu Sudah Saatnya Pergi)
Tempus Abire Tibi Est (Kamu Sudah Saatnya Pergi)
Tempus Abire Tibi Est (Kamu Sudah Saatnya Pergi)

Waktumu sudah habis
Manusia tak punya malu
Tunggu saatnya kan tiba
Pastilah akan tiba
Tiba masa buat perhitungan
Membalas pengkhianatan ini

dont think this was for BS
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
All Indonesian should be glad if there is some truth into this song .
Even i had enough with mak banteng allready ..
 

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Hmmm not necessarily though, our submarine dock or dermaga kapal selam, both in surabaya and palu are atleast partially covered from optical spy satellites, plus the roof structure act as cantilever for the overhead crane (only in surabaya) View attachment 59392 View attachment 59391
although im not sure the recent condition of the Palu submarine dock after 2018 tsunamis, i think its poses no harm to the structures.

Even the nowaday Kriegsmarine (not Nazis) left the idea of enclosed submarine base and go full open without any coverage. Earlier Kriegsmarine, built these base, Saint-Nazaire U-Boote base View attachment 59394 View attachment 59396 View attachment 59395
THEY EVEN HAVE DRYDOCK FACILITY, HOW AWESOME.

and nowaday German Navy main submarine base, Eckenforde Submarine Base View attachment 59393
(even ours better than them....atleast..)
View attachment 59397
funfact : damn so thicc

Natuna and Batam should also be built these structures. Or even better to have something like cave submarine base spread all over the country View attachment 59398 View attachment 59399
With the existence of long range missile, the submarine is safer when they hide somewhere out there in the sea.
Hopefully we have decent air defense covering our naval bases.

I think China have underground naval base for their submarine, how good is underground and concrete base against missiles and bomb?

Which is more cost effective, reinforced hangar or SHORAD?
 
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