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Hmmm not necessarily though, our submarine dock or dermaga kapal selam, both in surabaya and palu are atleast partially covered from optical spy satellites, plus the roof structure act as cantilever for the overhead crane (only in surabaya) View attachment 59392 View attachment 59391
although im not sure the recent condition of the Palu submarine dock after 2018 tsunamis, i think its poses no harm to the structures.

Even the nowaday Kriegsmarine (not Nazis) left the idea of enclosed submarine base and go full open without any coverage. Earlier Kriegsmarine, built these base, Saint-Nazaire U-Boote base View attachment 59394 View attachment 59396 View attachment 59395
THEY EVEN HAVE DRYDOCK FACILITY, HOW AWESOME.

and nowaday German Navy main submarine base, Eckenforde Submarine Base View attachment 59393
(even ours better than them....atleast..)
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funfact : damn so thicc

Natuna and Batam should also be built these structures. Or even better to have something like cave submarine base spread all over the country View attachment 59398 View attachment 59399
With the existence of long range missile, the submarine is safer when they hide somewhere out there in the sea.
Hopefully we have decent air defense covering our naval bases.

I think China have underground naval base for their submarine, how good is underground and concrete base against missiles and bomb?

Which is more cost effective, reinforced hangar or SHORAD?
 
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With the existence of long range missile, the submarine is safer when they hide somewhere out there in the sea.
Hopefully we have decent air defense covering our naval bases.

I think China have underground naval base for their submarine, how good is underground and concrete base against missiles and bomb?

Which is more cost effective, reinforced hangar or SHORAD?
It's complementary .... never stands alone ..
 

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With the existence of long range missile, the submarine is safer when they hide somewhere out there in the sea.
Hopefully we have decent air defense covering our naval bases.

I think China have underground naval base for their submarine, how good is underground and concrete base against missiles and bomb?

Which is more cost effective, reinforced hangar or SHORAD?
Like the uboat in Lorient?
 

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Like the uboat in Lorient?
i think that's too much, the MoD could get impeached by those vatniks saying it just a waste of money, better invest in healthcare and education😨😱

With the existence of long range missile, the submarine is safer when they hide somewhere out there in the sea.
Hopefully we have decent air defense covering our naval bases.

I think China have underground naval base for their submarine, how good is underground and concrete base against missiles and bomb?

Which is more cost effective, reinforced hangar or SHORAD?
Im inclined to cave based hangar for submarine, besides by nature it could minimize espionage, it's also really cool to have😎

Well, i think if the bunker buster bomb deployed then wether it's cave or concrete hangar, it would simply just destroyed, either exploded or colapsed.

reinforced hangar or shorad, better prefer shorad ofcourse. it could protect the entire naval base.
 

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jadi pengen yg K-2 nya
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Cukup kecewa dengan kualitas kuliah umum dari anak2 UI ini, dari sekian banyak pembahasan dan pertanyaan gak ada sama sekali membahas isu geopolitik dan pertahanan.
 

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“In the early 1950s, he arranged for the CIA to pay $240,000 to buy the world's entire supply of LSD. He brought this to the United States, and he began spreading it around to hospitals, clinics, prisons and other institutions, asking them, through bogus foundations, to carry out research projects and find out what LSD was, how people reacted to it and how it might be able to be used as a tool for mind control.” WTF lol, so high on psychedelics

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Etdah, kadang generasi dia ini bikin bingung. Padahal dari background militer.
 

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Dia sudah menjual jiwanya ke mainland...
 

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When he said in that context ... i do too feel we are too prematurely for talking big about anything as yet . when we can barely make our house in order as yet ....
Hopely we get another decade of chances for peace and prosperity before we tighten our belt for the inevitable royal rumble to come ...


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Dia sudah menjual jiwanya ke mainland...
Don't be so fast in taking conclusion .. truthfully we are so low on the totem pole . We might be seeing only facades and shadows ...
The jury hasn't been out as yet...
 

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Tapi kan jokowi sebagai presiden mengawasi parpol2 melalui institusi negara, gak dikasihkan ke partai tertentu hasilnya, cuman buat presiden doang.

Dan itupun menurut ane perlu dilakukan gitu, biar gak ada partai yang berbuat macam2, kalau ada bisa langsung ditindak, bukan tentang masalah pemilu dsb tapi lebih ke ideologi mereka dll.

Ini naif sih.

Hampir ngga ada ceritanya menggunakan institusi intelijen yang saling overlap, trus hasilnya cuman buat bacaan pribadi minggu siang di rumah.

what if it was to prevent something like this though ?

For one, that's clearly NOT the way Jokowi from his mouth himself describes what the intelligence agencies are up to. He clearly describes that the intelligence works by leaking the internal workings of the party such as their allegiance,

Saya tahu dalamnya partai saya tahu. Partai-partai seperti apa saya tahu. Ini mereka menuju ke mana saya ngerti.

Clearly this is not the same as alerting for potential national security issue, but alas we've been getting used to this kind of thing aren't we? I mean to top it off, why not ask the army to work for the party? That'll secure seat.

Jokowi jelas make hasil intelijen utk cawe cawe kepentingan pribadi dia, kemungkinan besar KSP Moeldoko ikut campur di partai Demokrat ya hasil cawe cawe itu, belum lagi ngomongin Golkar dan ambiguitas PDI-P - Jokowi


Apapun hasil intelnya, Emak gak kecipatan. 🤣
 

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Tapi kan jokowi sebagai presiden mengawasi parpol2 melalui institusi negara, gak dikasihkan ke partai tertentu hasilnya, cuman buat presiden doang.

Dan itupun menurut ane perlu dilakukan gitu, biar gak ada partai yang berbuat macam2, kalau ada bisa langsung ditindak, bukan tentang masalah pemilu dsb tapi lebih ke ideologi mereka dll.

Ini naif sih.

Hampir ngga ada ceritanya menggunakan institusi intelijen yang saling overlap, trus hasilnya cuman buat bacaan pribadi minggu siang di rumah.

what if it was to prevent something like this though ?

For one, that's clearly NOT the way Jokowi from his mouth himself describes what the intelligence agencies are up to. He clearly describes that the intelligence works by leaking the internal workings of the party such as their allegiance,

Saya tahu dalamnya partai saya tahu. Partai-partai seperti apa saya tahu. Ini mereka menuju ke mana saya ngerti.

Clearly this is not the same as alerting for potential national security issue, but alas we've been getting used to this kind of thing aren't we? I mean to top it off, why not ask the army to work for the party? That'll secure seat.

Jokowi jelas make hasil intelijen utk cawe cawe kepentingan pribadi dia, kemungkinan besar KSP Moeldoko ikut campur di partai Demokrat ya hasil cawe cawe itu, belum lagi ngomongin Golkar dan ambiguitas PDI-P - Jokowi


Apapun hasil intelnya, Emak gak kecipatan. 🤣
 

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Mulai menit 9:00 itu ada slab2 beton abis itu paku bumi, buat nanti atasnya jalan tol, kenapa gak langsung urug tanah aja trus bangun tol diatasnya?
Dividio juga bilang tentang jembatan, apakah penggunaan paku bumi buat jembatan? Jembatannya gak tinggi2 amat dari dasar tanah/ permukaan air/ permukaan tanah?

Bukan orang konstruksi sih jadi meski divideo sepertinya udah dijelaskan, ane tetep susah nangkep, gak ngebayangin ini ntar gimana n mau kemana.

Ada yang bisa mencerahkan?
 
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