Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732550614767243769

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732550614767243769

Skipping this maybe the right thing after all

 

[Lordimperator]

Cool video

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732587630972567683

Video by:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732668684865245548

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732907512876106046

Bersiap untuk ronde ke-2

 

[NEKO]

semoga sukses.

Harapnnya untuk dimasa depan kalau kita ngirim kaprang keluar negeri gak lagi ngirim korvet, baru juga kemarin ada insiden peluncuran rudal, kalau ada rudal nyasar dan cuman punya manpads tempelan ya ketar ketir.
Trus itu pake bawa heli? Gak ada hanggarnya padahal, kalau kena cuaca trus air laut takutnya karatan. Perawatannya harus moncer.

 

[Umigami]

Bingung saya

 

[Gary]

semoga sukses.

Harapnnya untuk dimasa depan kalau kita ngirim kaprang keluar negeri gak lagi ngirim korvet, baru juga kemarin ada insiden peluncuran rudal, kalau ada rudal nyasar dan cuman punya manpads tempelan ya ketar ketir.
Trus itu pake bawa heli? Gak ada hanggarnya padahal, kalau kena cuaca trus air laut takutnya karatan. Perawatannya harus moncer.

Ya karena untuk berpartisipasi di MT-F UNIFIL ini ada set persyaratan tertentu dari segi kapabilitas, komunikasi dll (lupa detailnya gimana) dan yang memenuhi syarat ya korvet SIGMA. Bisa aja ngirim PKR, tapi kayaknya PKR lebih dibutuhkan disini daripada negeri orang.

 

[Lordimperator]

Bingung saya

F15EX tetep.

 

[Umigami]

F15EX tetep.

Tapi bukan termasuk yg 25 itu. Gak yakin lah kalau Prabs mau ngorbanin sesuatu kayak Rafale gitu?
Kalau Mirage ya mungkin aja tapi mana cukup...

 

[Lordimperator]

Tapi bukan termasuk yg 25 itu. Gak yakin lah kalau Prabs mau ngorbanin sesuatu kayak Rafale gitu?
Kalau Mirage ya mungkin aja tapi mana cukup...

Ditunggu saja,

 

[Umigami]

Ya udahlah, ada yang mesti usaha extra keras nih...

I think he'll secure first 12 before election or stepping down.

The other 12?
He held them hostages to make sure US "help" or at least gets out of his way.

I don't know, I am just being "suuzon".

 

[NEKO]

Ya karena untuk berpartisipasi di MT-F UNIFIL ini ada set persyaratan tertentu dari segi kapabilitas, komunikasi dll (lupa detailnya gimana) dan yang memenuhi syarat ya korvet SIGMA. Bisa aja ngirim PKR, tapi kayaknya PKR lebih dibutuhkan disini daripada negeri orang.

PKR cuman punya 2 biji, klo punya 6 sih ngirim 1 ok lah.

There is bocil among us.

 

[Gary]

Sebenarnya ada ide bagus dari jiran tapi ntah kenapa ga banyak yang mengadopsi, apalagi misi MTF UNIFIL itu sebenarnya di spektrum low-end yang fungsinya cuman buat nge-halangin hezbollah buat dapat kiriman senjata lewat laut.

Bisa dipakai buat on-station ship Natuna juga.

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733455926135509244

Sebenarnya yang menjadikan halangan adopsi lebih luas roket panggul sepert RPG-7/SPG-9 di TNI-AD itu apasih ?

murah meriah iya
added firepower pasti

 

[Umigami]

Sebenarnya yang menjadikan halangan adopsi lebih luas roket panggul sepert RPG-7/SPG-9 di TNI-AD itu apasih ?

murah meriah iya
added firepower pasti

Berat, gak enak dibawa ke tempat berbukit?
Gak percaya sama keamanan armory sendiri, takut dijual ke KKB sama oknum?
Entahlah...

 

[NEKO]

We must put pressure towards Myanmar and Bangladesh, otherwise we will get much trouble.

 

[schuimpjes]

China’s PLA is the armed component of the Chinese Communist Party since the 1920s. They fought against Chiang Kai Shek’s forces and Japanese forces with that. 1949, after they won against Shek’s forces, forcing them to lived in exile (Formosa, Burma), the party fully control the country with tangan besi; repression to stay in power, don’t ask about bottom–up, transparency, accountability, and democracy.

Looking at that, we can see that PLA is integral part of the party, even until now. Instead of under control of the state, PLA is under the control of CCP through what called as Central Military Commission of the Party. The Ministry of National Defense just have the purpose of ‘rubber stamping’, ‘formality’, instead of substantial control.

If you think PRC is peace loving, not gonna resort to military power, think again. How many military engagement they made during the Cold War, how many involvement their CMC involved now in their policies in 21st century.

And don’t think they are just an amateur with gun, no. They are not a joke. They even care more about military than Indonesia by how they made their new party initiative doctrine, not even any Indonesian political actor here have equivalent for that. They focus on economic and military capabilities building this time, but next up, they enforce their claim of international seas more real that no one can’t even say that as international waters anymore since it is de facto controlled by PRC, even though based on law (de jure) many consider it as international waters. They started to enforce their authority toward Taiwan which based on law (de jure) is part of PRC, since Taiwanese Government (ROC) is not even consider as country by many countries, including Indonesia, even USA and no Taiwan representation in UN.

By all of that highly possible conditions now, Chinese military buildup cannot be overlooked. Whatever the reason of the military buildup, we have to focus more for ourselves.

 

[Lordimperator]

China’s PLA is the armed component of the Chinese Communist Party since the 1920s. They fought against Chiang Kai Shek’s forces and Japanese forces with that. 1949, after they won against Shek’s forces, forcing them to lived in exile (Formosa, Burma), the party fully control the country with tangan besi; repression to stay in power, don’t ask about bottom–up, transparency, accountability, and democracy.

Looking at that, we can see that PLA is integral part of the party, even until now. Instead of under control of the state, PLA is under the control of CCP through what called as Central Military Commission of the Party. The Ministry of National Defense just have the purpose of ‘rubber stamping’, ‘formality’, instead of substantial control.

If you think PRC is peace loving, not gonna resort to military power, think again. How many military engagement they made during the Cold War, how many involvement their CMC involved now in their policies in 21st century.

And don’t think they are just an amateur with gun, no. They are not a joke. They even care more about military than Indonesia by how they made their new party initiative doctrine, not even any Indonesian political actor here have equivalent for that. They focus on economic and military capabilities building this time, but next up, they enforce their claim of international seas more real that no one can’t even say that as international waters anymore since it is de facto controlled by PRC, even though based on law (de jure) many consider it as international waters. They started to enforce their authority toward Taiwan which based on law (de jure) is part of PRC, since Taiwanese Government (ROC) is not even consider as country by many countries, including Indonesia, even USA and no Taiwan representation in UN.

By all of that highly possible conditions now, Chinese military buildup cannot be overlooked. Whatever the reason of the military buildup, we have to focus more for ourselves.

Thanks to Kissinger eh

 

[Gary]

Apa kabar yang 20% ?

Su-30MKM Sedang Menjalani Perawatan Bertahap, Operasional Akan Berlanjut Hingga Tahun 2035

09 Desember 2023 Perawatan Su-30MKM di ASTC Malaysia (photos : ATSC) KUALA LUMPUR - Layanan jet tempur Su-30 MKM akan terus berlanjut hingga...

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Pada 22 Mei, mantan Wakil Menteri Pertahanan yang juga Anggota Parlemen Tanah Merah, Dato' Sri Ikmal Hisham Abdul Aziz menanyakan apakah Malaysia harus melakukan kanibalisme untuk memastikan jet tempur Su-30MKM dapat beroperasi.​

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Pasalnya, Rusia sedang mengalami sanksi ekonomi dari Barat pasca perang di Ukraina.​

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Pertanyaan Ikmal dijawab Wakil Menteri Pertahanan Adly Zahari yang memberikan jaminan kanibalisasi tidak akan terjadi untuk memastikan Su-30MKM tetap beroperasi di Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM)​

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“Sebenarnya kami tidak melakukan itu (kanibalisme) karena kami tahu saat kami melakukan perawatan Sukhoi, kami menunjuk perusahaan lokal yaitu Aerospace Technology Systems Corporation Sdn Bhd (ATSC) untuk memastikan peralatan dan suku cadang kami cukup,” kata Adly di Dewan Rakyat Mei lalu.​

 

[NEKO]

Dan disini masih ada aja yang ngidam SU-35.