Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[NEKO]

Perdamaian perdamaian
Perdamaian perdamaian
Banyak yang cinta damai
Tapi perang semakin ramai
Bingung bingung ku memikirkan

 

[Madokafc]

ketawa aja dulu

 

[Lordimperator]

Dari yang saya lihat, bu connie tidak menerapkan hal tersebut

Kalau untuk orang itu yang penting clickbait

 

[Lordimperator]

apapun itu dia jadi menhan.....we are in deep sh*t!

Indonesia dah masuk blok Timur kalau gitu

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1589532896330919936

Bawa mobil kepresidenan sendiri paling.

 

[schuimpjes]

Selain madam juga banyak WN Rusia bikin content yang mau mempotrayed Rusia dan Indonesia sahabat abadi.

“Persahabatan Indonesia–Tiongkok lebih dahsyat daripada bom atom” wkwk ganti Tiongkok jadi Rusia. Itu narasi 60an btw

Russland biasa nge-boost image yang disuka apa jatohin yang gak disuka pake konten-konten gak jelas gitu. Kalo yang “Influence Operation” mereka ditunjukan ke Swedia pake troll sama bot menuhin kolom komentar wkwk. Itu yang ketauan, kemungkinan disini sama aja

 

[this is crunch]

Invasion to Taiwan even in the term of conventional conflict just like what happened in Ukraine would give electronic components crisis to the whole world as Taiwan is juggernaut in this sector, ban against China product and economy would be results in severe economy crisis for most country in the region, not to mention if China pressured North Korea to open new theater, and conflict happened in Korea peninsula at the same time the result would be much more devastating.

im aware that Indonesia has thousands of TKI in Taiwan, if i recall a couple month ago almost 300.000 Indonesian work there, this is getting me worried because if the war broke out, our people will directly impacted

Im wondering how our Gov't will take response if we have casualties in our people, will they take side and joined the alliance?

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1589612369516584960

 

[RadenSudirman]

im aware that Indonesia has thousands of TKI in Taiwan, if i recall a couple month ago almost 300.000 Indonesian work there, this is getting me worried because if the war broke out, our people will directly impacted

Im wondering how our Gov't will take response if we have casualties in our people, will they take side and joined the alliance?

We will arrange repatriation, and safe zones around Taiwan for that purpose, same case if something happens in HK

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1589612369516584960

Perasaan kalau yang bergerak Aussie, MoFA jadi heboh.

 

[RadenSudirman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1589612369516584960

We need a strong Menko who can consolidate all ministries relevant to the national security affairs

I mean all this time each ministries are 'gerak sendiri-sendiri'. Kemhan has its own agenda, TNI sometimes differs from Kemhan, Kemenkeu, and Kemlu each has its own policy and problem-solving approach. It's just so ineffective, each of them almost like didn't think they have anything to do with each other and lost grasp on the bigger picture.

If we have an intelligent and decisive Menko, all of these ministries will think and move as one, rather than as different people doing different things for different purposes.

 

[Agha Sher]

A question. Why does Indonesia actively try to stop its population from growing by targetting a TFR of 2.1? I understand that you seek to improve quality of life but at the same time you lose the opportunity to become a global superpower. Your landmass, land resources and sea resources enable your nation to become a superpower in the future. IMO, Indonesia should let the population grow to at least 500 mio.

 

[this is crunch]

A question. Why does Indonesia actively try to stop its population from growing by targetting a TFR of 2.1? I understand that you seek to improve quality of life but at the same time you lose the opportunity to become a global superpower. Your landmass, land resources and sea resources enable your nation to become a superpower in the future. IMO, Indonesia should let the population grow to at least 500 mio.

To answer that, we need to understand the condition of our society and economy first. Indonesia's GDP in 2021 reach it's highest with $1 Trillion USD, and Income Per Capita of $4.000 USD, still considered as middle-lower income nation, and not only in statistic, but also in reality is really like that, thus our Wealth Distribution and Social-Inequality are high. Our population by this year around 270 Mil person, more than 50% of them lived in Java Island,

With those some basic reason we face, we came to idea how to manage the population growth and at the same time make their life prosperous, We introduced the Keluarga Berencana (KB) or Family Planning programme of having only 2 child, well it's actually been widely implemented since the 80s, anyway, we seek to balance the growth rate with the economic growth and distribution, while also in rush of inflation rate and newer sustainability programme.

In my opinion we are not losing any opportunity of becoming world superpower, we keep in pace with it, that's why in this late decade our Gov't massively enforcing Foreign Investment in Indonesia, both in Infrastucture and Insdustry. We learn know-how with Transfer of Technology, and any major procurement contract must be included local partner cooperation.

Our Nation wide large landmass and water comprised mostly unthouced, we limit the deforestation act to preserve the nature heritage, don't forget that Indonesia has one of the most species of animal and plantation.

If we compared Indonesia to other nation, Indonesia is very similar to what Turkey and South Korea facing by 2 or 3 decade's ago, we just so happen to having this momentum at this time, also it is not wise to prioritize the population number with setting aside the prosperity of the people.

That's my opinion anyways, I hope it helps.

 

[Merkatz]

Because in the past uncontrolled population growth lead to:

1. High infant mortality rate, for example, my great-grandmother gave birth to 12 but only 6 survives to adulthood.
2. Indonesia has a problem with its food security lack of nourishment causes stunting even now we have severe problems with stunting. Not to mention most Indonesian farmers have less than 1 hectare of farmland and lives in poverty this cause most of younger population unwilling to became farmers. and our Farmland size is decreasing because of the need for housing.
3. Lack of funding and poor educational infrastructure in the past create a problem for our human resource quality, most of Indonesia's workforce today is only elementary school graduates.
4. We are too dependent on foreign capital which causes unemployment.

The government is trying to create a better HDI.

A question. Why does Indonesia actively try to stop its population from growing by targetting a TFR of 2.1? I understand that you seek to improve quality of life but at the same time you lose the opportunity to become a global superpower. Your landmass, land resources and sea resources enable your nation to become a superpower in the future. IMO, Indonesia should let the population grow to at least 500 mio.

 

[Madokafc]

Btw, many seems less notices about particular countries in a special region who increasing their population more than double in the last 30 years, yes the Gulf countries especially. They are increasing their population by crazy. In less than 30 years, by example Saudi Arabia population grow from 16 million people to more over 38 million people. Iraq who had been experience big war more than anyone post 2000, from just over 17 million people in 1990 to 42 million people. There is also great increase in the other countries as well, Kuwait, Emirates Arab and so on.

Compare to them Indonesia population growth seems nothing, from 181 million in 1990 to 276 million people in 2022.

 

[chibiyabi]

If Taiwanese crisis or South China Sea dispute turns sour and becomes the nightmare we never want, i don't believe we are going to be hit by DF but i can imagine Melbourne, Canberra and maybe Perth taking the hits.

like or not if that happens indonesia will involve in conflict, indonesia is the ground battle. except, indonesia have balls to say, we are neutral. of course you need more than 42 rafale, six Fremm, 36 F15ID to say that.

 

[chibiyabi]

Btw, many seems less notices about particular countries in a special region who increasing their population more than double in the last 30 years, yes the Gulf countries especially. They are increasing their population by crazy. In less than 30 years, by example Saudi Arabia population grow from 16 million people to more over 38 million people. Iraq who had been experience big war more than anyone post 2000, from just over 17 million people in 1990 to 42 million people. There is also great increase in the other countries as well, Kuwait, Emirates Arab and so on.

Compare to them Indonesia population growth seems nothing, from 181 million in 1990 to 276 million people in 2022.

what happen to indoneisa nothing to do with program, its just hobby or maniac

 

[JATOSINT]

We need a strong Menko who can consolidate all ministries relevant to the national security affairs

I mean all this time each ministries are 'gerak sendiri-sendiri'. Kemhan has its own agenda, TNI sometimes differs from Kemhan, Kemenkeu, and Kemlu each has its own policy and problem-solving approach. It's just so ineffective, each of them almost like didn't think they have anything to do with each other and lost grasp on the bigger picture.

If we have an intelligent and decisive Menko, all of these ministries will think and move as one, rather than as different people doing different things for different purposes.

Like Dewan Keamanan Nasional?

 

[Cromwell]

like or not if that happens indonesia will involve in conflict, indonesia is the ground battle. except, indonesia have balls to say, we are neutral. of course you need more than 42 rafale, six Fremm, 36 F15ID to say that.

Battlefield would be everything between China and Australia or across The Pacific but i dont believe any valuable targets within Southeast Asia for DF hit target

 

[Madokafc]

Both are from the Navy