Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[schuimpjes]

Rule Based Order Must Be Protected

If China or Russia are ahead of the West on every aspects, for example technology, it would be a threat for democratic rule based order. They would make unipolar international order in favor of the strong or themselves, China or Russia. We have to follow them without we as a nation with its vehicle (country) can participate to decide international order like in UN for example. Their authoritarian norm would not just be only within their country, but to the world.

I’m really optimistic that Indonesia has a bright future and committed to participate to protect it. With all of its flaws, we still can speak about our interests, and those who against the west still can checks and balances the west, which they must, within democratic order. And against this world to be fractured between competing world orders, democratic world order and authoritarian world order.

 

[Madokafc]

i see a lot of chinese wumao are on full throttle to blow up "Australia hate indonesia" narratives on burung biru platform lately, are there any recent indonesia australia cooperation that triggers them or it was due to indonesia vietnam border and oil/gas cooperation agreement ?

there is many unpleasant thing in twitter, especially those local SJW in which some (or most actually ? ) has affiliated view with the leftist idea. Anti military establishment, anti government policy in which involved economy and investment issue, anti conservative value on how traditional family should be, hardcore enviromentalist and so on

They are engaging people from socialist community in European or East Asian, in which already very developed and trying to push their idea to Indonesia, in which clearly still at developing stage and need more conservative policy in social development, more robust and open investment in economy policy and should be not shackled herself into Environmentalist idea unless it was necessary to take Indonesian products be more competitive.

 

[NEKO]

there is many unpleasant thing in twitter, especially those local SJW in which some (or most actually ? ) has affiliated view with the leftist idea. Anti military establishment, anti government policy in which involved economy and investment issue, anti conservative value on how traditional family should be, hardcore enviromentalist and so on

They are engaging people from socialist community in European or East Asian, in which already very developed and trying to push their idea to Indonesia, in which clearly still at developing stage and need more conservative policy in social development, more robust and open investment in economy policy and should be not shackled herself into Environmentalist idea unless it was necessary to take Indonesian products be more competitive.

Sadly I can only give this post a like once.

 

[Lordimperator]

Sadly I can only give this post a like once.

create 2nd account and give it again

 

[Madokafc]

Mereka sudah selfie sebelum selfie itu hit

 

[R4duga]

i see a lot of chinese wumao are on full throttle to blow up "Australia and indonesia are enemies" narratives on burung biru platform lately, are there any recent indonesia australia cooperation that triggers them or it was due to indonesia vietnam border and oil/gas cooperation agreement ?

HI Sutton literally just said "interesting photo" and some wumao already losing their mind like HI Sutton making an insult to their navy wtf.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614886881224757248

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615067821515440139

 

[schuimpjes]

there is many unpleasant thing in twitter, especially those local SJW in which some (or most actually ? ) has affiliated view with the leftist idea. Anti military establishment, anti government policy in which involved economy and investment issue, anti conservative value on how traditional family should be, hardcore enviromentalist and so on

They are engaging people from socialist community in European or East Asian, in which already very developed and trying to push their idea to Indonesia, in which clearly still at developing stage and need more conservative policy in social development, more robust and open investment in economy policy and should be not shackled herself into Environmentalist idea unless it was necessary to take Indonesian products be more competitive.

What I don’t like from the left of political spectrum is just about their (fully) statist economic policies that in order there is no capitalist, all means of productions or all of the companies under the government.

If there are parties with “socialist” word on their name, but economically they are not that fully statist as what usually called as communists or marxist-leninists or whatever that refers to like Mao or Stalin economic policies, I’m still okay with that. Right now many political parties with socialist word in it are “social democrat” rather than fully top-down economic policies like Mao or Stalin.

Maybe concern of many people is more on progressive social policies like LGBTQ+ etc, not economic policies. Understandable, because religion or belief, traditional values is important for many people.

Yes, if we see history, those who in the side for sexual and gender minorities rights was Yippies and part of the New Left during the “civil rights movement”, but is that mean if something be on the front together then they are one and always be like that? Then I’m gonna say that many those against LGBTQ+ are with Putin then. This very issue of LGBT is not exclusive for one, broad political spectrum for it, even conservative parties in Europe (not the far-right) or Israel like Likud (not included with their coalition now) are for it now.

The problem in this world now is not about cultural things. It is open system of democracy vs closed system called authoritarianism, that China and Russia want the world to be for themselves. I’m for sure be killed if they on the top. Babat semua dibawah yang gak disuka apa ancaman untuk kekuasaan autocrat nya.

Edit: not actually part of civil rights movement, but during the same era.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615268324434378752

 

[NEKO]

HI Sutton literally just said "interesting photo" and some wumao already losing their mind like HI Sutton making an insult to their navy wtf.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614886881224757248

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615067821515440139

Ok Ok anyone know Chinese can help us translate what it really said so we can understand what it is about that deserve such a strong reaction?

 

[NEKO]

Chinese and Local Workers Clash at Indonesia Nickel Smelter, Leaving Two Dead

Part of the facility in Central Sulawesi was burned down amid the violence.

www.wsj.com

Something like Tiananmen event that never happened in the past but the Chinese workers use steel pipe to beat Indonesian protester.

And many more conflict involving Chinese investment, Is there also any conflict involving investment from any other country?

 

[Umigami]

Chinese and Local Workers Clash at Indonesia Nickel Smelter, Leaving Two Dead

Part of the facility in Central Sulawesi was burned down amid the violence.

www.wsj.com

Something like Tiananmen event that never happened in the past but the Chinese workers use steel pipe to beat Indonesian protester.

And many more conflict involving Chinese investment, Is there also any conflict involving investment from any other country?

I heard long time ago a conservative group try to close japanese food flavoring factory because of an (technically not) ingredient they use.

 

[NEKO]

I heard long time ago a conservative group try to close japanese food flavoring factory because of an (technically not) ingredient they use.

Oh that one, rumour about micin with pig oil or something right?

 

[Madokafc]

Chinese and Local Workers Clash at Indonesia Nickel Smelter, Leaving Two Dead

Part of the facility in Central Sulawesi was burned down amid the violence.

www.wsj.com

Something like Tiananmen event that never happened in the past but the Chinese workers use steel pipe to beat Indonesian protester.

And many more conflict involving Chinese investment, Is there also any conflict involving investment from any other country?

Chinese mainland overseas worker is something, they are handfull and unruly bunch.

Not only in Indonesia, but also in Pakistan, African countries also has similar stories

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Nilgiri]

Ok Ok anyone know Chinese can help us translate what it really said so we can understand what it is about that deserve such a strong reaction?

Nothing that interesting in the chinese text.

Says something along lines of :

Navy Sailor of Nanchang Destroyer Air Defence - Ding Wenhao

and snapshot is just in middle of him saying something (I need full video if its there to make sense of it) about training one by one

Context in other banners is new years visit show to military stuff, and this one being about falklands war.

As why the wumao types are angry, I'm really not sure

I guess maybe they felt sutton or other commentators were insinuating PLAN is passing off falklands RN ship (HMS invincible) as their own or something?

Whereas the poster seems to be some kind of study on RN operations during that time (incl frogmen circled?)....and Sutton just found that interesting.

Hard to tell what this is all about tbh. Just seems to be a placard about Falklands operations history onboard the Chinese destroyer as part of whatever this show was about (larger video if it exists would be more useful).

If that photo is indeed of (representative?) frogmen, Sutton (maybe) found it interesting if it was referring to this story:

Operation Algeciras - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

40 Years Ago, Argentinian Frogmen Almost Sank A British Frigate Near Gibraltar

And would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling Spaniards.

nationalinterest.org

 

[chibiyabi]

Chinese and Local Workers Clash at Indonesia Nickel Smelter, Leaving Two Dead

Part of the facility in Central Sulawesi was burned down amid the violence.

www.wsj.com

Something like Tiananmen event that never happened in the past but the Chinese workers use steel pipe to beat Indonesian protester.

And many more conflict involving Chinese investment, Is there also any conflict involving investment from any other country?

of course there is, if you know gold mining in banyuwangi, local investor. Big conflic happen there, but yes, china-pribumi easier to "digoreng"

 

[Umigami]

there are two different infos about this, the first is Alman with no movement and Andy with "there is breakthrough", which one is true? let's start the A1'S war again

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615553209451544576

Hasil dari ini kali yah?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615648270096957440

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615636159476174848

 

[R4duga]

Hasil dari ini kali yah?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615648270096957440

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615636159476174848

Once again, i hope our dear president realize that he can left some noticeable legacy on defense investment rather than 2nd Naypyidaw on middle of borneo rainforest.

 

[NEKO]

Hasil dari ini kali yah?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615648270096957440

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615636159476174848

Hm... kelihatan akur dan moga2 emang gitu.
Takutnya presiden berkunjung buat mendisiplinkan kebijakan2 kemenhan, karena keinginan presiden dan menhan gak sejalan.

 

[Umigami]

Hm... kelihatan akur dan moga2 emang gitu.
Takutnya presiden berkunjung buat mendisiplinkan kebijakan2 kemenhan, karena keinginan presiden dan menhan gak sejalan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615636181730922497

Ngomongnya sih gini.
"Ya udah, mana duitnya? Biar bisa dibeli dari sekarang."