Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Qimpetmleteque]

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Om Butet sedang bikin gimmick dan persepsi dg nyindir Kak Wowo yang diduga terlibat pelanggaran HAM berat masa lalu dalam kasus penghilangan orang secara paksa 1997-1998. Sindiran Om Butet ini bertentangan dengan pandangan dan kebijakan Jokowi saat ini yang juga sudah diamini oleh fraksi PDIP di DPR. Jokowi mengambil kebijakan penyelesaian non yudisial, karena penyelesaian yudisialnya sangat susah meski akan diupayakan tetap diteruskan. Penyelesaian non yudisial kasus HAM berat masa lalu sudah kick off mulai hari ini, oleh Jokowi di Aceh.

Sampai saat ini tidak ada bukti hukum yang mengkaitkan Kak Wowo dg kasus 1997-1998. Kak Wowo pernah diadili dan diputuskan bersalah di sidang etis saja, yang berujung dipecat sebagai anggota TNI. Salah satu anggota dewan etiknya SBY, yang sudah mendukung Kak Wowo sebagai capres pada pilpres 2014 dan 2019.

Dari 9 aktivis korban penculikan peristiwa 1998 yang hidup dan kemudian dilepas, ada 3 yg gabung Gerindra dan jadi anak buah Kak Wowo:
1. Alm. Haryanto Taslam,
2. Alm. Desmond Mahesa,
3. Pius Lustrilanang.

4. Faisol Reza jadi politikus PKB. Kemarin mengumumkan koalisi Gerindra-PKB dan dukung Kak Wowo sebagai Capres.

5. Andi Arief sekarang menjadi Ketua Bappilu Partai Demokrat.

6. Rahardjo Waluyo Jati menjadi politikus PDIP dan anggota SEKNAS Jokowi. Sempat nyaleg DPR-RI di dapil Jateng IV, tapi kalah saingan ama Bambang Pacul.

7. Nezar Patria lanjut karir sebagai jurnalis, sempat jadi pemred Jakpost dan anggota Dewan Pers. Lalu jadi relawan Jokowi. Sempat jadi komisari PT Pos Indonesia, sekarang Perum Pegadaian dan jadi relawan ET. Jika ET jadi cawapres Kak Wowo, yaa berpotensi ikut barisan Kak Wowo. Wkwkwk

8,9. Aan Rusdianto dan Mugianto lanjut karir sebagai aktivis. Jadi relawan Jokowi, sekarang lanjut relawan GP.

 

[this is crunch]

Klasse F126 hands down the most beautiful frigates/destroyer out there. Shame its beauty is not followed up with firepower

Yea totally agree, although i really don't understand why, the ship's dimension are already the size of destroyer, but the armament is very limited

From what i've read, the frigate will carry 16 vls, CAMM Missile family quad packed (64 missile in total). NSM AShM, RIM-116 RAM Short Range Missile, and some guns, No Long range cruise missile what soever except those AShM. It doesn't even have hull mounted sonar, although she may carry towed array sonar. Such size with such weaponry is very mubazir . My best guess is this very class is only intended for defensive role, such as convoy protection, aircraft carrier escort, and such.

Compared to these missile truck, the F126 looks like enlarged light frigate

PLA Navy 052D Class

JMSDF Atago Class

And Franco Italian Horizon Class

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673504488672616455

eh damage control wkwk

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673831095677120512

 

[Madokafc]

Major Big Ship program recently announced

Looking for Japan and South Korean almost similar new floating firepower platform they are literally floating magazine carrying battery of Air defense system' and Ballistic missiles (for South Korea). This entry intended to match Renhai class of PLA Navy

There is also Italian new destroyer program which intended to replace Durant De La Penne class (which i heard rumor they already offered to Indonesia pending the completion of their DDX program feasibility)

There is also more Renhai class is in build for Chinese navy

US Navy would move on to their DD X program after finished their ordered DDG 51 flight three ships

Turkey already moving to the testing phase of their Istanbul class Frigate and now is in design phase of their TF2000 destroyer

Indonesian Navy already put order for two Fremm class and also two AH140 Frigate already started construction and is in talk for modern destroyer program from various shipbuilder

Indian Navy already started to received P15B class destroyer and also Nilgiri class Frigate

Singapore Navy future MRCV is basically enlarge and much more modern version of Absalon class

 

[Lordimperator]

Major Big Ship program recently announced

Looking for Japan and South Korean almost similar new floating firepower platform they are literally floating magazine carrying battery of Air defense system' and Ballistic missiles (for South Korea). This entry intended to match Renhai class of PLA Navy

There is also Italian new destroyer program which intended to replace Durant De La Penne class (which i heard rumor they already offered to Indonesia pending the completion of their DDX program feasibility)

There is also more Renhai class is in build for Chinese navy

US Navy would move on to their DD X program after finished their ordered DDG 51 flight three ships

Turkey already moving to the testing phase of their Istanbul class Frigate and now is in design phase of their TF2000 destroyer

Indonesian Navy already put order for two Fremm class and also two AH140 Frigate already started construction and is in talk for modern destroyer program from various shipbuilder

Indian Navy already started to received P15B class destroyer and also Nilgiri class Frigate

Singapore Navy future MRCV is basically enlarge and much more modern version of Absalon class

Wait, they offered Italian DDX export ver. to MoD?

 

[Madokafc]

Wait, they offered Italian DDX export ver. to MoD?

Yup

 

[Gary]

Yea totally agree, although i really don't understand why, the ship's dimension are already the size of destroyer, but the armament is very limited

My suspicion is :

1. Current ruling liberal democrat in Germany and their population overall pacifism and allergy to anything resembling a threatening image
2. Historical German Navy underarming of their capital ship.

 

[Lordimperator]

Yup

hopefully they will keep advertise it to the future MoD, even for now we only buy 2 FREMM.

 

[Umigami]

Kesalahan terbesar dunia pendidikan kita mungkin membuang model pendidikan Belanda yang (jauh) lebih disiplin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673692084694581249

 

[Madokafc]

Kesalahan terbesar dunia pendidikan kita mungkin membuang model pendidikan Belanda yang (jauh) lebih disiplin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673692084694581249

Nay, bahkan di Belanda sendiri sekarang model pendidikannya sudah jauh lebih lax dan liberal jangan samakan dengan era sebelum PD II yang banyak diisi dengan sistem pendidikan yang diselingi nilai nilai kewarganegaraan dan kehidupan semi militer buat sebagian besar warga Eropa sana.

Tuntutan warga sipil Eropa di era itu, kalo mereka gak bisa bersaing dalam tuntutan pekerjaan di Eropa sana, mereka bisa ambil opsi untuk ngurus administrasi di negara negara kolonial mereka (berlaku untuk negara seperti Inggris, Prancis, Belanda, Belgia dsb) , makanya sistem disiplin semi militer itu penting untuk zamannya

 

[Umigami]

Nay, bahkan di Belanda sendiri sekarang model pendidikannya sudah jauh lebih lax dan liberal jangan samakan dengan era sebelum PD II yang banyak diisi dengan sistem pendidikan yang diselingi nilai nilai kewarganegaraan dan kehidupan semi militer buat sebagian besar warga Eropa sana.

Tuntutan warga sipil Eropa di era itu, kalo mereka gak bisa bersaing dalam tuntutan pekerjaan di Eropa sana, mereka bisa ambil opsi untuk ngurus administrasi di negara negara kolonial mereka (berlaku untuk negara seperti Inggris, Prancis, Belanda, Belgia dsb) , makanya sistem disiplin semi militer itu penting untuk zamannya

Sekolah di amerika yg udah terlalu woke itu perlu gak ya dijadiin gini juga?

 

[Madokafc]

Sekolah di amerika yg udah terlalu woke itu perlu gak ya dijadiin gini juga?

Kalo perang dunia ke tiga pecah semua bakalan kembali ke settingan awal

 

[Lordimperator]

Kalo perang dunia ke tiga pecah semua bakalan kembali ke settingan awal

Sekolah di amerika yg udah terlalu woke itu perlu gak ya dijadiin gini juga?

 

[Gary]

Kesalahan terbesar dunia pendidikan kita mungkin membuang model pendidikan Belanda yang (jauh) lebih disiplin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673692084694581249

Model pendidikan Belanda yang masih terpakai, perpeloncoan senior ke junior dengan alasan senioritas,

 

[NEKO]

Yea totally agree, although i really don't understand why, the ship's dimension are already the size of destroyer, but the armament is very limited
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From what i've read, the frigate will carry 16 vls, CAMM Missile family quad packed (64 missile in total). NSM AShM, RIM-116 RAM Short Range Missile, and some guns, No Long range cruise missile what soever except those AShM. It doesn't even have hull mounted sonar, although she may carry towed array sonar. Such size with such weaponry is very mubazir . My best guess is this very class is only intended for defensive role, such as convoy protection, aircraft carrier escort, and such.

Compared to these missile truck, the F126 looks like enlarged light frigate

PLA Navy 052D Class
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JMSDF Atago Class View attachment 58879 View attachment 58881 View attachment 58880

And Franco Italian Horizon Class View attachment 58882 View attachment 58884 View attachment 58883

Mungkin mereka menilai segitu itu udah cukup karena paling banter bakalan lawan Russia, kalo teater pasifik sebisa mungkin banyak misilnya.

Kalo perang dunia ke tiga pecah semua bakalan kembali ke settingan awal

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673901426618294272

brought to you by our beloved prime minister

f*cking wumaos

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673901426618294272

brought to you by our beloved prime minister

f*cking wumaos

Cuman cocoklogi kok di artikelnya juga bilang wkwkwk

 

[Madokafc]

Cuman cocoklogi kok di artikelnya juga bilang wkwkwk

Cocoklogi yang cocok

Can you expect thing when Indonesia bought Frigate from Japan?

 

[Qimpetmleteque]

Cocoklogi yang cocok

Can you expect thing when Indonesia bought Frigate from Japan?

Muncul cercaan baru ke pemerintah nyesuaiin negara produsen?

- beli senjata dari Jepang, pemerintah udah jadi wibu.
- beli dari Tiongkok, pemerintah jadi wumao.
- beli dari Korsel, pemerintah jadi fandom.
- beli dari Rusia, pemerintah jadi vatnik.
- beli dari barat, pemerintah jadi russophobia.
- ???

EDIT:
- beli kereta dari Jepang gak ada hubungannya dengan ancaman dari Tiongkok ato negara lain. Lah secara teknis, sistem commuter line Jabodetabek cucoknya ama Jepang aja. Lebar rel (track gauge) commuter line di Tiongkok pakai ukuran 1,435 mm. Sedangkan Jepang pakai ukuran 1,067 mm. Ahok waktu memutuskan lebar rel MRT Jakarta ke 1,067 mm juga dengan pertimbangan nyesuaiin sistem KRL Jabodetabek. Sekalian buat efisiensi depot di Kampung Bandan agar bisa dipakai bareng antara kereta KRL dan MRT. Gak ada kereta dari Tiongkok yang ukuran lebar relnya sama dg yang di Jabodetabek.