Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[NEKO]

After the virginia class and aukus got decommissioned, will the reactor sent back to US?

 

[schuimpjes]

Some calls from U.S. senators about U.S. withdrawal from Syria. If it passes through, the PKK/SDF of NE Syria is in big trouble LOL, with the Turkish army poised to enter the area all the way to the Iraqi border or the Syrian army crossing the Euphrates at once.

I hope their "women freedom fighters" won't run as quick as they did in Kirkuk. Truly one of the most overhyped fighting forces on the planet.

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Not a new proposal at all tho. Donald Trump did it before, but pressure, even from Republicans themselves made him not fully withdrawn US Forces from NE Syria backing the SDF. Even Lindsey Graham himself who was criticized Obama’s move to backed the SDF against the ISIS, because of “substantial ties” with PKK was the one that did the most grasak-grusuk to stop Trump’s move, even met with Erdogan talked about the matter, A Senator talked to other country’s President. And what you expect from well-known isolationist Rand Paul.

Still not talking about soft protest from US forces themselves. When they left some of their posts after ordered to withdrawn some wore YPG/YPJ insignias on their uniforms. The top commander of Op Inherent Resolve (Gen. Stephen Townsend) was also against the withdrawal.

 

[schuimpjes]

Op Inherent Resolve

Not related topic, but kind of interesting. MG. Stephen Smith wore a uniform (that still) with Op Inherent Resolve patch on the shoulder sleeve during SGS 2022 lol

 

[Gary]

Not a new proposal at all tho. Donald Trump did it before, but pressure, even from Republicans themselves made him not fully withdrawn US Forces from NE Syria backing the SDF. Even Lindsey Graham himself who was criticized Obama’s move to backed the SDF against the ISIS, because of “substantial ties” with PKK was the one that did the most grasak-grusuk to stop Trump’s move, even met with Erdogan talked about the matter, A Senator talked to other country’s President. And what you expect from well-known isolationist Rand Paul.

Still not talking about soft protest from US forces themselves. When they left some of their posts after ordered to withdrawn some wore YPG/YPJ insignias on their uniforms. The top commander of Op Inherent Resolve (Gen. Stephen Townsend) was also against the withdrawal.

I'm well aware of previous calls for retreat, even Rand Paul had floated the idea a few times a few years back. But back then, everyone was fresh with adrenaline after years of combating ISIS on conventional terms, no one for example has any incentive to retreat right after they had just finished their original goal. And generally speaking, the situation is unique back then for the U.S. to continue operating in Syria

Now the situation the different, I think even after the loss of the physical caliphate, the Americans sooner or later (if not already), figured out that there's really no way to 100% curb ISIS militancy, just November last month ISIS scored the single deadliest months for SAA/allies troops in 2023 around the Badia desert. Which meant that their presence in NES in nothing more than as guardsmen for the Kurdish nation building project project with no real impact against D-ISIS on the ground. But this time the calculations for the cost-benefit ratio of staying has shifted.

The geopolitical situation has shifted a lot since then (pre-2020s), back then the U.S. doesn't have to worry about daily attacks by Iran-led militias on its base. The war in Gaza and the involvement of Iran's proxy militia has significantly raised the price of continuing U.S. presence. Again Rand Paul correctly described it as a "tripwire", where it could led the U.S. to an unwanted war, which the U.S is getting dangerously close now. It could be just that the cost of staying is now a lot more expensive than the benefit in Syria and that cost is steadily rising each day with the proxy of Iran escalating attacks against U.S bases in the light of the war in Gaza.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/12/08/41-attacks-on-US-troops-in-Iraq-41-against-American-forces-in-Syria-since-Oct-17

A wider war with Iran and its proxies is not on the list of U.S. agenda right now, they simply don't have the stomach, as has been demonstrated by their limited action against the Houthis in Yemen or the PMF in Iraq because at the same time they're trying to pivot to the Pacific which is already severely compromised by their aid to Israel.

To be blunt the U.S. is now severely overstretched with commitments in Asia, in Europe, in the Middle East (which bthey had tried so hard to abandon) and now even in Latin America as Venezuela is poised to invade Guayana. Another major political crisis and there's every reason to believe that the Rojava agenda will slip even further down the list of Washington's foreign policy agenda.

There will be time where U.S. policy makers are confronted by the stark choice of continuing their presence with rising costs and reduced benefits, and most likely chooses the easy path of abandoning when the cost is >> benefit, this has been proven again and again in Viet Nam and Afghanistan. No one early in Viet Nam or Afghanistan would have predicted that the U.S will abandon its allies to the dog after years of propping them up and hailing them as their ultimate allies.

But in Viet Nam and Afghanistan, war fatigue eventually consumes them, the earlier justifications for war such as the prevention of the spread of Communism (Viet Nam) and the defeat of Islamic militancy (Afghanistan) gave way to other priorities at home and politicians own agenda.

I'm willing to bet that Mazloum Abadi of SDF will spend his time like this man below in a decade or two.

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Talking about Lindsey Graham, I'm well aware of his effort to limit the scope of Turkish army during the 2019 Peace Spring operations, but I'm also aware that Lindsey Graham, like all politicians, is keen to switch stance accordingly as they see fit. Just 6 months ago, Lindsey Graham is the top Ukrainian supporter on the House, yet in a twist of fate it is also Lindsey Graham who rose up to torpedo the supplemental aid to Ukraine in 2023

Lindsey just 6 months ago

"(Ukraine) is the best money we've ever spent" (0:28)

Lindsey at the end of the year LMAO

 

[Umigami]

Dulu banyak Netizen Korsel jumawa mau tendang Indonesia dari KFX dan ganti dengan Poland.

Sekarang setelah pemilu:

Kerajaan baharu Poland gugat perolehan dari Korea Selatan | Air Times News Network

WARSAW, 13 DIS – Kerajaan baharu Poland dijangka akan membatalkan perolehan pertahanan yang dimeterai dengan Korea Selatan. Perkara tersebut disuarakan

www.airtimes.my

 

[Gary]

I can't blame much how Sokoreans looked down upon us based on our business ethics regarding KFX, but if news from Poland is true, that's going to be funny as hell NGL.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735821961304125664

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735850432281575428

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735850432281575428

Ronde ke-2

 

[Gary]

Ini cerita nya buy back apa gimana?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735691675090002212

Will France buy back our Caesar too ? Lmao

 

[NEKO]

Liatin video pembangunan IKN ada banyak alat beratnya, ada berbagai tipe, warna dan merek, tapi untuk yang excavator ane belum pernah liat pindad excava nongol.

 

[Umigami]

Liatin video pembangunan IKN ada banyak alat beratnya, ada berbagai tipe, warna dan merek, tapi untuk yang excavator ane belum pernah liat pindad excava nongol.

Saya lagi ikut proyek BUMN, dulu pernah ada bagian yg dikerjain Pindad, kerjaannya lama, excavator mereka jarang operasi. Akhirnya diberhentikan dicariin subkon lain, kelar.

Mending balikin ke marwahnya aja pabrik senjata.

 

[schuimpjes]

International shipping lanes are so important for everyone, whatever we need involving shipping lanes.

When a shipping lane has a problem, come out the risk that what we need would increase in price. Longer ways to certain destination, more expensive insurance, etc etc. Apalagi the lane is so important for global energy supplies (oil and gas), increasing energy price means increase of price of all goods. That’s how important energy is, all activities needs it.

US would launch new military operation to address Houthis actions of bothering global shipping lane. A multinational operation to deter Houthis further actions, gelar kekuatan maritim in shipping lane near Red Sea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736085376203378700

I don’t know we just want to reap the benefits of it or involve in it.

US, protecting international trade (their own national interest that shared by anyone) since Thomas Jefferson (Barbary War).

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736356316740817253

Masih kinyis kinyis

 

[Lordimperator]

International shipping lanes are so important for everyone, whatever we need involving shipping lanes.

When a shipping lane has a problem, come out the risk that what we need would increase in price. Longer ways to certain destination, more expensive insurance, etc etc. Apalagi the lane is so important for global energy supplies (oil and gas), increasing energy price means increase of price of all goods. That’s how important energy is, all activities needs it.

US would launch new military operation to address Houthis actions of bothering global shipping lane. A multinational operation to deter Houthis further actions, gelar kekuatan maritim in shipping lane near Red Sea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736085376203378700

I don’t know we just want to reap the benefits of it or involve in it.

US, protecting international trade (their own national interest that shared by anyone) since Thomas Jefferson (Barbary War).

Wondering why USN didnt launch retaliation yet.

 

[Gary]

Wondering why USN didnt launch retaliation yet.

Like for example? send Tomahawk to one of Houthi's many coastal radars, bomb Yemen ?

They've already done so for quite some time.

The solution is to invade Yemen and establish control but the U.S has no stomach and their Saudi allies are proven shit to do this kind of thing even if they wanted to.

 

[Gary]

Like for example? send Tomahawk to one of Houthi's many coastal radars, bomb Yemen ?

They've already done so for quite some time.

The solution is to invade Yemen and establish control but the U.S has no stomach and their Saudi allies are proven shit to do this kind of thing even if they wanted to.

Oh yes one more thing, Clown Prince wouldn't want one of these to land in his Vision 2030 projects.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736356316740817253

Masih kinyis kinyis

Ini video lama

 

[this is crunch]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736082580682797230

They surround the houthis

 

[Lordimperator]

Like for example? send Tomahawk to one of Houthi's many coastal radars, bomb Yemen ?

They've already done so for quite some time.

The solution is to invade Yemen and establish control but the U.S has no stomach and their Saudi allies are proven shit to do this kind of thing even if they wanted to.

Should've send more Tomahawk, give them strong message, or strike straight to Iran as those houthis mastermind.