Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Gary]

Genjatan senjatan

Gen. Model in 1944 : Warum wollen alle mein general meine Brücken zestören ? (Why do all my general wants my bridge blown up ?)

Me in 2024: Why do everyone wants my war to end ?

 

[schuimpjes]

real bebas aktif.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1818619469633405094

semisal PPA dikirim jadi delegasi Navy Day asik juga.

Formilers softening to Russia moment. But myself would not.

 

[schuimpjes]

Me in 2024: Why do everyone wants my war to end ?

War happened, you don’t like it, people want it to stop, you don’t like it too. I assume you just want to maintain the hatred and enmity to average Joe and Jane, because you know that people’s memories are short, no ones gonna care about Israel anymore, so you don’t want the war to stop. There is nothing good coming out of this war.

What you believe (religion) is not resonates with people that don’t believe it. It just about believe or not believe, and you cannot forced people to believe what you believe. Keep that for yourself and you not living in Muslim exclusive country. This idea of Bangsa Indonesia is for all people that called themselves as Indonesian, care nothing about who they are. This is the country of Bangsa Indonesia.

 

[Gary]

War happened, you don’t like it, people want it to stop, you don’t like it too.

I don't remember myself becoming anti-war. When H.M.S attacked almost a year ago, I was among the very first to understand the significance of the attack. I never hate war, I just hate israel.

OTOH, I do appreciate what prolonged warfare in the Middle East could led into. I exhaustively wrote about it here, here and here , but am sure many of you guys are too lazy to read it.

So yes, I'm pro war, never pro peace. Not because I'm a maniac, but more because of I'm a bit of a calculative person

I assume you just want to maintain the hatred and enmity to average Joe and Jane, because you know that people’s memories are short, no ones gonna care about Israel anymore, so you don’t want the war to stop. There is nothing good coming out of this war.

Umm no, I don't actually care much about individual opinion. I basically make enemies left and right, even with former friends and fellow mods where I use to serve.

The one and only reason why I wrote that is I believe they lack the insight, because let's face it, when it comes to religion, most of the Muslims today are either illiterate or semi illiterate, they don't understand the value of this war. And because Palestine is a religious war, it's imperative to remind them that what they wish (a ceasefire) could be counter-productive

What you believe (religion) is not resonates with people that don’t believe it. It just about believe or not believe, and you cannot forced people to believe what you believe. Keep that for yourself and you not living in Muslim exclusive country. This idea of Bangsa Indonesia is for all people that called themselves as Indonesian, care nothing about who they are. This is the country of Bangsa Indonesia.

I spent half my life already reading about things related to either war, weapons and politics, my conclusion is that politics are basically a contest for power and superiority, this is a contest, and Islam being a political model (not a mere religion) must be imposed at the detriment of its foes.

Doesn't mean everyone must start converting to islam, but I believe it's political model are superior, I happen to be one of them, so I consider this a personal service (without pay).

The same argument could be brought when it comes to democracy, not everyone here likes democracy, I myself see it as a waste of time and a product of Athenian degeneracy, but unbeknownst to me, this ideology of democracy are imposed upon me. Do I have a choice ?

The same is true with Islam, the 8 billion men and women roaming the earth, am sure not many of them would voluntarily choose it as a political model...but had the early Muslims cared that much, than the greatness which is the Rashidun Caliphate (and its successors) would not exist. We simply steamroll the Persians, and turn the Romans into a 2nd rate power and impose our will.



And stop with that bullshit of Bangsa Indonesia. You know about a year or two ago, while reading E-Books about Ukraine in everand.com I happen to cross this book

The chapter 'Pancasila State' is of great interest to me...turns out the idea of 'Bangsa Indonesia' where the so called "This idea of Bangsa Indonesia is for all people that called themselves as Indonesian, care nothing about who they are. "

are basically a byproduct of :

1. An Abangan who happens to declare that his main enemy is Islam
2. A Catholics hiding in the armpit of this abangan
3. Some Chinese-Catholics who would later gave birth to an organization called CSIS
4. Some guy called Ali Moertopo
5. and many more

I highly recommend Muslims to start reading this book, and figure out on their own why is the 87% strong Muslim population are loosers in their own turf. To the point that the some zionists in Sulawesi could attack them in broad daylight when they show solidarity with Palestinians.

 

[schuimpjes]

Not because I'm a maniac, but more because of I'm a bit of a calculative person

You calculate that wars happen right now gonna be good for your world Islamic agenda

Islam being a political model (not a mere religion)

The same argument could be brought when it comes to democracy, not everyone here likes democracy, I myself see it as a waste of time and a product of Athenian degeneracy, but unbeknownst to me, this ideology of democracy are imposed upon me. Do I have a choice ?

Islam and other religions is about worshiping. Are five pillars of Islam not enough and you adding another one which is domination of population by Islamic government, apalagi democracy, pokoknya full submission and bow to Islamic regime. Democracy brings freedom to the people and not just bow to the government or regime, and not let the leader or government left unchecked. Without it, it just dictatorship.

turns out the idea of 'Bangsa Indonesia' where the so called "This idea of Bangsa Indonesia is for all people that called themselves as Indonesian, care nothing about who they are. "

are basically a byproduct of :

1. An Abangan who happens to declare that his main enemy is Islam
2. A Catholics hiding in the armpit of this abangan
3. Some Chinese-Catholics who would later gave birth to an organization called CSIS
4. Some guy called Ali Moertopo
5. and many more

I highly recommend Muslims to start reading this book, and figure out on their own why is the 87% strong Muslim population are loosers in their own turf. To the point that the some zionists in Sulawesi could attack them in broad daylight when they show solidarity with Palestinians.

Muslim must have some kind of like “kesadaran kelas” that they must rise up, and not di-nina bobo kan. Hey, this very country is made for Indonesian nation, Indonesian people, Bangsa Indonesia, which whoever called themselves as Indonesian, they are part of this Bangsa, and not local Muslim only like NII. Or maybe you not even thing that this idea of nationalism should exist at all and Muslims around the world must be one nation? If yes, you are a Pan-Islamist, why you still in thread pretending you are Indonesian?

 

[Gary]

You calculate that wars happen right now gonna be good for your world Islamic agenda

I have give you 3 links in total, but it seems like you're kinda lazy to read it

Islam and other religions is about worshiping. Are five pillars of Islam not enough and you adding another one which is domination of population by Islamic government, apalagi democracy, pokoknya full submission and bow to Islamic regime. Democracy brings freedom to the people and not just bow to the government or regime, and not let the leader or government left unchecked. Without it, it just dictatorship.

First, you are an infidel, a kafir. It's not for you to tell me (a Muslim) what's what about Islam. Islam is a religion + political model. This is what separate Islam with man made religion. You cannot be a Muslim while calling for democracy, the same way you cannot be a Muslim being a Hindu. Communism and democracy is a religion, you have to pick one.

Second, democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy itself is a product of Athenian degeneracy where they came up with an idea where humans could rule over humans. Islam is the exact anti-thesis of democracy, because in Islam God rules over humans, and humans has no control over what's good or bad, what's allowed or forbidden. This is why overtime democracy evolved into authoritarianism akin to what the claim to have abolished.

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Keluarga dan kerabat pejabat ataupun politisi yang berpolitik sudah menjadi hal lumrah di Indonesia. Politik kekerabatan saat ini masih menjadi isu yang hangat jelang Pemilu 2024.

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If Islam is only about praying 5 times a day, then Muhammad wouldn't bother migrating to Medina, and then create the first Islamic State, he wouldn't bother with all the politicking, maneuvering, he wouldn't bother send expeditions to faraway lands, he wouldn't bother create a war council, an army etc.

There's an atsar by Umar RA ""There is no Islam except by congregation, and there is no congregation except by leadership, and there is no leadership except by obedience". If this is not political then I don't know what it is.

When Muhammad died, the first thing his companion debated is the leadership...the Saqifa, who will lead ?? If this is not political themn I don't know what it is.

This is what Muslims in the 21st century have deluded themselves into. They believe they could be a Muslim while adopting the belief and political practices of infidels, you name it democracy, communism, liberalism, anarchism, socialism etc.

Muslim must have some kind of like “kesadaran kelas” that they must rise up, and not di-nina bobo kan.

Hey hey, do you know that the SMA Tar*n* Nu******** was created with the sole purpose of vetting its would be attendant from Santri and pious Muslims ?

This is why I highly recommend Muslims to read this book and figure out for themselves

Hey, this very country is made for Indonesian nation, Indonesian people, Bangsa Indonesia, which whoever called themselves as Indonesian, they are part of this Bangsa, and not local Muslim only like NII. Or maybe you not even thing that this idea of nationalism should exist at all and Muslims around the world must be one nation? If yes, you are a Pan-Islamist, why you still in thread pretending you are Indonesian?

Ummm no, first It's the Muslims who has biggest shares when it comes to independence. So naturally we have more rights. In a normal world that's how it works.

Second, as I've mentioned earlier, the loudest voice for kesetaraan happens to be the one that plotted the most against Muslims. Again please read that book by Joseph H Davies.

Third, I don't pretend anything. I don't actually choose where I am born, the way I know it I was born here, educated with curriculums that was designed by basically a bunch of Islamophobes so that political Islam wouldn't win.

Fourth, am not an idiot, you speak as if you care about Indonesians, the last time I check, you gleefuly posted some zionists beating up fellow Indonesian in the Palestine war thread, you and your kind are not fooling anybody. Oh yes, there's only one guy here who gets worried that Indonesia is planning for an aircraft carrier, because we are too anti Israelis. LOL

Fifth, you are partially right, I see myself more and more Muslim first these days, nationality comes second. If there's one thing that taught me about the war in Palestine, is that it's actually normal to defend what is closer to you, and Islam is closer to me. The zionist in Sulawesi shows that they are willing to beat fellow Indonesian for their zionists master, I too will defend my Muslim brothers first and foremost.

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[schuimpjes]

Ummm no, first It's the Muslims who has biggest shares when it comes to independence. So naturally we have more rights. In a normal world that's how it works.

Then say out loud that you have “more rights” to this country and make it Islamic Republic like Iran, assume it is Sunni, I’m sure you would receive lots of resistance.

the last time I check, you gleefuly posted some zionists beating up fellow Indonesian in the Palestine war thread

Was posted about what happened here related to that thread a wrong? People abroad didn’t deserve to get that information? Both sides are Indonesian btw.

Fifth, you are partially right, I see myself more and more Muslim first these days, nationality comes second. If there's one thing that taught me about the war in Palestine, is that it's actually normal to defend what is closer to you, and Islam is closer to me.

With this vague answer, I would assume it myself about you. I’m not gonna say about it, don’t worry.

First, you are an infidel, a kafir. It's not for you to tell me (a Muslim) what's what about Islam. Islam is a religion + political model. This is what separate Islam with man made religion. You cannot be a Muslim while calling for democracy, the same way you cannot be a Muslim being a Hindu. Communism and democracy is a religion, you have to pick one.

Even though those Muslims are practicing five pillars of Islam and believing six pillars of faith? Those people are not Muslims because calling for democracy? What I can say is you are a Takfiri (excommunicator) or people that don’t consider other Muslim as Muslim anymore for who knows reason. How many people here in Indonesia that you consider not as a Muslim anymore?

This is why overtime democracy evolved into authoritarianism akin to what the claim to have abolished.

This is why words democracy must always be safeguarded exist

If Islam is only about praying 5 times a day, then Muhammad wouldn't bother migrating to Medina, and then create the first Islamic State, he wouldn't bother with all the politicking, maneuvering, he wouldn't bother send expeditions to faraway lands, he wouldn't bother create a war council, an army etc.

Then make your army, government and economic system. This sounds like a threat.

 

[schuimpjes]

Honestly, but who are these people in Indonesia that calling Muslims to make and struggle to have Islamic system of government or country?

 

[Gary]

Was posted about what happened here related to that thread a wrong? People abroad didn’t deserve to get that information? Both sides are Indonesian btw.

Yes, a tragedy is happening in Palestine, women and children are bombed and buried under rubbles, and the best thing you could come up with :

Post a triumphant Laskar Manguni beating up fellow Indoensians. Seems like a good fun.

Even though those Muslims are practicing five pillars of Islam and believing six pillars of faith? Those people are not Muslims because calling for democracy? What I can say is you are a Takfiri (excommunicator) or people that don’t consider other Muslim as Muslim anymore for who knows reason. How many people here in Indonesia that you consider not as a Muslim anymore?

The answer is...secara umum, mereka Islam, tapi kalau tau secara personal, dipertanyakan dan kalau sudah jelas harus di hukum secara zahir.

So basically in Islam, when you're resurrected in the afterlife, there will be a pond, it's called the Kautsar pond (telaga Al-Kautsar) where people are being fed water. Imagine all the horrors of resurrection, the burning Mahsyar desert, everyone is thirsty and there's this one pond, where Muhammad himself will feed the water. Imagine billion maybe trillions of resurrected humans from the time of Adam converging into the pond, waiting to be feed.

bayangin aja antriannya

and many people when they reach the pond, they found themselves being denied the water. Why ?
simply because they have altered the religion of Muhammad after he left.

“Aku akan mendahului kalian di al haudh (telaga). Dinampakkan di hadapanku beberapa orang di antara kalian. Ketika aku akan mengambilkan (minuman) untuk mereka dari al haudh, mereka dijauhkan dariku. Aku lantas berkata, ‘Wahai Rabbku, ini adalah umatku.’ Lalu Allah berfirman, ‘Engkau sebenarnya tidak mengetahui bid’ah yang mereka buat sesudahmu.’ ” (HR. Bukhari, no. 7049)

Sumber https://rumaysho.com/13161-mereka-yang-terhalang-minum-dari-telaga-al-kautsar.html

So these people, god himself said, that they are not your people (ie Muslims).

And Democracy, Muhammad never teach democracy...bid'ah is anything that is innovated that doesn't come from Muhammad. so be aware of this.

This is why words democracy must always be safeguarded exist

I mean they can try, nobody prohibits them

Then make your army, government and economic system. This sounds like a threat.

The same could be said to these democracy preacher, why don't you make your army, government and economic system where it belongs (in Greece) why imposed it here?

 

[schuimpjes]

where it belongs (in Greece) why imposed it here?

Human masterpiece could be originated from anywhere like a song

triumphant

I must disagree. At least go to bath first lah for those people

kalau sudah jelas harus di hukum secara zahir

Openly or can be seen clearly committing one of the ten nullifiers of Islam (sepuluh pembatal ke-Islaman). Honestly, I knew it from ISIS, you sound not much different from them wkwk

Not related to anything above, however the government or leader of this country is, don’t you dare to be against them. Website that you used as reference itself talk about it, not from what you called as Madhkali

Tidak Taat Pemimpin, Akibatnya Mati Jahiliyah - Rumaysho.Com

"Siapa yang mati dan ia berpisah dari jama'ah, maka ia mati dalam keadaan mati jahiliyah." (HR. Muslim)

rumaysho.com

I think it’s enough for today. I need to sleep lol

 

[Lordimperator]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1818732011152195884

 

[Gary]

Human masterpiece could be originated from anywhere like a song

This human masterpieceshit ended up delivering Athens from a classical antiquityAegean superpower into a complete nobody in just a span of 50 years. I actually wrote about it in the Ukraine war thread, where I actually tagged you LOL, tapi ga ada perlawanan

Ukraine-Russia War

The Netherlands 🇳🇱 announced that they are sending a new batch of YPR-765 IFVs to Ukraine. They sent 207 units earlier in the war, and the Ukrainians have used them consistently. Attrition has taken a toll however, with 76 units destroyed or damaged according to Oryx, leaving Ukraine with...

defencehub.live

Like I said one of the thing I like about int'l politics is the fact that most if not all of my political enemies are...democracies.

At the end of the day, their system will self destruct themselves

Openly or can be seen clearly committing one of the ten nullifiers of Islam (sepuluh pembatal ke-Islaman). Honestly, I knew it from ISIS, you sound not much different from them wkwk

ISIS enforce 5 daily prayers, I guess everyone is ISIS now eh ?

In general they are to be seen as Muslims, until personally proven to engage in the act. This is to prevent unnecessary bickering, finger pointing and blood shedding, this is what differentiate between Ahl Sunnah and extremist Khawarij mentality.

Not related to anything above, however the government or leader of this country is, don’t you dare to be against them. Website that you used as reference itself talk about it, not from what you called as Madhkali

Tidak Taat Pemimpin, Akibatnya Mati Jahiliyah - Rumaysho.Com

"Siapa yang mati dan ia berpisah dari jama'ah, maka ia mati dalam keadaan mati jahiliyah." (HR. Muslim)

rumaysho.com

This is what differentiate you and me, the website itself is not important. It's that critical information in the form of this sentence :

“Aku akan mendahului kalian di al haudh (telaga). Dinampakkan di hadapanku beberapa orang di antara kalian. Ketika aku akan mengambilkan (minuman) untuk mereka dari al haudh, mereka dijauhkan dariku. Aku lantas berkata, ‘Wahai Rabbku, ini adalah umatku.’ Lalu Allah berfirman, ‘Engkau sebenarnya tidak mengetahui bid’ah yang mereka buat sesudahmu.’ ” (HR. Bukhari, no. 7049)​

that I'm trying to bring here, not the Website itself

Yes, they are Madkhalis, the cancer of the Islamic world, ally of the Jews

 

[schuimpjes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1818732011152195884

Gosong doang gitu yang keliatan, gak hancur, jelas bukan stand off missile dari pesawat in my opinion.

 

[DeadbyboreD]

Genjatan senjatan semakin sulit nih.

kayaknya kemaren pulang dari us dapet restu dan bantuan kedepannya makanya langsung berani. welp emang dari awal zionis ngga niat gencatan senjata juga. full amalekites mode

 

[schuimpjes]

This human masterpieceshit ended up delivering Athens from a classical antiquityAegean superpower into a complete nobody in just a span of 50 years. I actually wrote about it in the Ukraine war thread, where I actually tagged you LOL, tapi ga ada perlawanan

Ukraine-Russia War

The Netherlands 🇳🇱 announced that they are sending a new batch of YPR-765 IFVs to Ukraine. They sent 207 units earlier in the war, and the Ukrainians have used them consistently. Attrition has taken a toll however, with 76 units destroyed or damaged according to Oryx, leaving Ukraine with...

defencehub.live

Like I said one of the thing I like about int'l politics is the fact that most if not all of my political enemies are...democracies.

At the end of the day, their system will self destruct themselves

Hello… Good morning. Not at all times people mentioned then they should respond btw. Not the first time I talked about the danger of populism in democracy right here, the worst it become majoritarianism with little check.

ISIS enforce 5 daily prayers, I guess everyone is ISIS now eh ?

In general they are to be seen as Muslims, until personally proven to engage in the act. This is to prevent unnecessary bickering, finger pointing and blood shedding, this is what differentiate between Ahl Sunnah and extremist Khawarij mentality.

This is what differentiate you and me, the website itself is not important. It's that critical information in the form of this sentence :

“Aku akan mendahului kalian di al haudh (telaga). Dinampakkan di hadapanku beberapa orang di antara kalian. Ketika aku akan mengambilkan (minuman) untuk mereka dari al haudh, mereka dijauhkan dariku. Aku lantas berkata, ‘Wahai Rabbku, ini adalah umatku.’ Lalu Allah berfirman, ‘Engkau sebenarnya tidak mengetahui bid’ah yang mereka buat sesudahmu.’ ” (HR. Bukhari, no. 7049)
that I'm trying to bring here, not the Website itself

Yes, they are Madkhalis, the cancer of the Islamic world, ally of the Jews

Ya ya. Damn, enough with this, changed it into religious forum or what?

 

[NEKO]

Kasihan warga Gaza kondisi mereka memprihatinkan,

1. Genjata biar bantuan bisa masuk dan dalam jumlah besar.
Atau
2. Perang lanjut tapi israel harus dilibas secepat mungkin, trus membebaskan dan memerdekakan Palestina.

kayaknya kemaren pulang dari us dapet restu dan bantuan kedepannya makanya langsung berani. welp emang dari awal zionis ngga niat gencatan senjata juga. full amalekites mode

israel is full of evil people.

Keknya mereka bener2 pengen memperbesar perang biar US bisa terlibat. Kalau US udah terlibat akan maka mereka akan dapat dukungan $ dan militer, belum lagi kalau US masuk perang US bisa dipakai untuk mengatasi musuh2 israel, seperti misal: houthi, hamas, hezbollah, siapa tau Iran juga dilibas.

 

[schuimpjes]

@Gary I appreciate you tho. You stand for yourself and not for ‘political posturing‘

 

[Gary]

Ya ya. Damn, enough with this, changed it into religious forum or what?

1. This is the Warkop Indonesia section, this where anything that is not relegated to the army, navy, air force are directed . I don't see anything wrong with that.

2. Stop pretending that religion was never discussed in the forum, you personally, from the look of it, spent most of your bandwidth here discussing Islam and political Islam. Now that you have found a determined foe, suddenly comes the accusation that I turn it into a religious forum.

3. It was you who mention the word 'religion' first, check your post #12,045

 

[schuimpjes]

It was you who mention the word 'religion' first, check your post #12,045

I brought it up because of your Pan-Islamist tendencies, reading from your posts other threads. The only nation worthy for you is Muslim nation or Ummah you called it, I said nation, not country. I hate how we Indonesian sometimes cannot differentiate between the two. So I argued you from that side.

from the look of it, spent most of your bandwidth here discussing Islam and political Islam. Now that you have found a determined foe, suddenly comes the accusation that I turn it into a religious forum.

Renewed interest for me about it because of what happen in Gaza. I honestly think, the mood of the common mass cannot be separated without understanding it. Some known anti-communists even rather not talked about the dynamics of the Cold War in that part of the world, maybe because the sacredness of what happen there for them, too sacred that it is taboo to talked about that, that’s my opinion tho.

 

[satria]

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