Defence Q&A Which country has the best units in each category?

[FiReFTW]

Just wondering what you would say which country has the best certain unit types?

For example:

Main battle tanks
Self P. Artillery
Rocket Artillery
Armored Vehicles
Anti air vehicles

Attack Helicopters
Attack aircraft
Fighter aircraft
Bombers

Aircraft Carriers
Cruisers/Destroyers
Frigates
Submarines


So for example for Main Battle tanks category could be like:

Leopard 2A6/7 - Germany
T-14 Armata - Russia
.
.

For Fighter aircraft might be F-22 Raptor - USA etc...

 

[Gary]

The US fills all the list in both the quality of the weapons and quantity deployed.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

We can compare the number of assets in all details and enter the first 3 best countries in all areas.

 

[Jackdaws]

The Americans will probably top everywhere, followed by Russia and / or one of the European countries slugging it out for Position 2-3.

 

[Gary]

The Americans will probably top everywhere, followed by Russia and / or one of the European countries slugging it out for Position 2-3.

China should be no2 followed by Russia.

 

[Jackdaws]

China should be no2 followed by Russia.

Doubt it. No engineering pedigree. French, Brits, Swedes, Germans would be miles ahead.

 

[crixus]

I think either Germans or Swedes after USA

 

[Jackdaws]

I think either Germans or Swedes after USA

Russian engineering is very underrated. And lest we forget Brits and French also have some are also excellent.

 

[crixus]

Russian engineering is very underrated. And lest we forget Brits and French also have some are also excellent.

Russians believe more in tactics then weaponry , you remember in sec. world war T-34 was nothing in front of Tiger but eventually Russians beat them with tactics which suits them be it weather be it numbers.

And they have most efficient or capable intelligence setup and crucial information is what makes the ultimate difference in the end.

 

[Jackdaws]

Russians believe more in tactics then weaponry , you remember in sec. world war T-34 was nothing in front of Tiger but eventually Russians beat them with tactics which suits them be it weather be it numbers.

And they have most efficient or capable intelligence setup and crucial information is what makes the ultimate difference in the end.

Agreed but out of sheer need during the Cold War they dramatically upped their engineering game. They were pretty rubbish during WW2 from an engineering perspective. But look at their space program. The Tupolev 144 had its share of issues but if I remember correctly it came out before the Concorde and was probably developed at a fraction of the cost. Soyuz. Mir. Kalashnikov. They even developed phage treatment as an alternative to antibiotics which the world might soon need because of antibiotic resistance.

 

[FiReFTW]

Some of you people seem quite biased, how is the USA on top in everything lol?

Main battle tank for sure not
Self Propelled Arty def not
Missile arty also not
Armored vehicles not
Anti air certainly not

Attack helicopters also no

Fighters, Attack jets, Bombers most certainly the USA is number 1

And most things in the navy also

 

[Jackdaws]

Some of you people seem quite biased, how is the USA on top in everything lol?

Main battle tank for sure not
Self Propelled Arty def not
Missile arty also not
Armored vehicles not
Anti air certainly not

Attack helicopters also no

Fighters, Attack jets, Bombers most certainly the USA is number 1

And most things in the navy also

Just deep American pockets and free enterprise. I am sure some Israeli firms are up there too in the top category.

 

[Ryder]

Somalia and Afghanistan

 

[Gary]

Some of you people seem quite biased, how is the USA on top in everything lol?

Main battle tank for sure not
Self Propelled Arty def not
Missile arty also not
Armored vehicles not
Anti air certainly not

Attack helicopters also no

Fighters, Attack jets, Bombers most certainly the USA is number 1

And most things in the navy also

Ok I admit.

Anyway what do you mean by unit type?

Is it the weapons itself, or other factors (how they deploy etc) counts ?

 

[crixus]

Agreed but out of sheer need during the Cold War they dramatically upped their engineering game. They were pretty rubbish during WW2 from an engineering perspective. But look at their space program. The Tupolev 144 had its share of issues but if I remember correctly it came out before the Concorde and was probably developed at a fraction of the cost. Soyuz. Mir. Kalashnikov. They even developed phage treatment as an alternative to antibiotics which the world might soon need because of antibiotic resistance.

Agreed they have improved , but war is always comparing two sides ( a lot of variables) and its never one to one comparision . In 65 Indian armored was shit when compared to pattons but we have genius filed commander form south asia who turned the tide .

Mongols bad weapons good tactics , great general
China great weapons , bad tactics and worse generals.

India Shivaji is such a general , who used intelligence , tactics and execution of plans with surgical precision .

 

[FiReFTW]

Ok I admit.

Anyway what do you mean by unit type?

Is it the weapons itself, or other factors (how they deploy etc) counts ?

Just the weapon itself, for example best overall main battle tanks... best overall helos etc... All the units on my list...

For example for Aircraft Carriers would be

1.Ford class (USA)
2.Nimitz class (USA)
3.Not sure, Kuznetsov?

And for other units on my list?

 

[Gary]

Just the weapon itself, for example best overall main battle tanks... best overall helos etc... All the units on my list...

For example for Aircraft Carriers would be

1.Ford class (USA)
2.Nimitz class (USA)
3.Not sure, Kuznetsov?

And for other units on my list?

ahh I see, I personally can't say much consider the lack of data.

for example let's talk US MBT. we only know the caliber of the gun, 120mm for M1 Abrams but most of us won't got classified information , such as the Extreme Service Condition Pressure (ESCP), the Permissible Maximum Pressure (PMP) etc of the gun, Or even the exact penetration capabilities of ammo so we could only make estimated guesses.

unless we have data, this is very hard. next to impossible to have a conclusion unless you're an intelligence director which have access to both your enemy and your weapons.

 

[FiReFTW]

Thats true but for example its known that Leopard 2A6 has won many international testings so I would def put it on number 1.

 

[Ardabas34]

Some of you people seem quite biased, how is the USA on top in everything lol?

Main battle tank for sure not
Self Propelled Arty def not
Missile arty also not
Armored vehicles not
Anti air certainly not

Attack helicopters also no

Fighters, Attack jets, Bombers most certainly the USA is number 1

And most things in the navy also

Isnt apache considered the best attack heli right now? Though they are pretty outdated, USA must be updating them constantly I think.

 

[FiReFTW]

Isnt apache considered the best attack heli right now? Though they are pretty outdated, USA must be updating them constantly I think.

Ka-52 is considered better and there are other ones that are comparable also