Would Turkish drone concept be effective against a country like Greece as well?

[Nutuk]

Greece in her own has no chance against Turkey.

All depends on who will give Greece direct support (indirect support will be futile as well)

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Some game changer points about future drone warfare concept of Turkey;

• Today, Koral is supporting the operations that were carried out by Anka and TB2 and These drones neutralised many Russian SAM system. In near future, More powerful Air-SOJ will be premier jammer platform that is going to blind enemy before drones appear on them.
• MIUS will carry domestic Bozdoğan BVR and Akdoğan(?) Ramjet AA missiles, and This drone will have a combat speed around 900-950km/h. The stealth and smaller fuaelage will provide a smaller RCS on AA engagements compared to a Rafale or F-16 so I predict MIUS with AI supported target detection and decision taking algorithms will spread a deep fear to Greek airforce.

 

[Blackeyes90]

We are also going to introduce these munitions and much more ;
Miniature Bomb for UAV's
Raven ( Kuzgun ) Munition family
Domestic Loitering Munition ( Harpy like )
Lightning (Şimşek ) Targeting Drone to be launch from bigger drones for decoy to Enemy Air Defences.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Airspeed affects range for air-to-air missiles, F-16 and Rafale will be able to take out Akinci long before Akinci kills F-16 or Rafale. Cruise missiles could work, but it needs to be detected very early which even tier 1 and tier 2 airforces have a hard time doing.

Cruise missiles are strategic systems to destroy enemy targets from long ranges and No nation in this region can cope with Turkish Army in terms of quantity of Turkish cruise missiles. Addition order for SOM-B1 variant were given for 415 units. Noone can predict how many B2, C1, C2 and J variants were/is going to be ordered. Within 1 years, we are expecting presentation of Gezgin long range cruise missile prototypes (Tomahawk equivalents) with 1000+km range. In this situation, A saturation strike of Turkish cruise missiles against Greek ships and air defence units will cause devastating results.

First wave of a likely war will start with saturation strike of Turkish pinpoint ballistic missiles (Not only Bora family but also some other long range missiles) against Greek Airbases. When we destroy the backbone of their AF, It will be the turn of Turkish drones. They will wipe the ground and the situation won’t be any different than the Karabakh war that Armenian unite are being destroyed by Turkish drones easily.

 

[Oublious]

Airspeed affects range for air-to-air missiles, F-16 and Rafale will be able to take out Akinci long before Akinci kills F-16 or Rafale. Cruise missiles could work, but it needs to be detected very early which even tier 1 and tier 2 airforces have a hard time doing.

I don't think you understand what the role of a uav will be, they will not hunt fighters but shoot and go. Centric warfare will be game changer. AWACS, ship or a fighter will guide the missile. In a air battle fighter never turn ther radar on, when you open your radar everybody will see you. Akinci will be capable to fly more then 24 hours, a radar on the ground would be able to guide the missile.

 

[Hexciter]

I don't think you understand what the role of a uav will be, they will not hunt fighters but shoot and go. Centric warfare will be game changer. AWACS, ship or a fighter will guide the missile. In a air battle fighter never turn ther radar on, when you open your radar everybody will see you. Akinci will be capable to fly more then 24 hours, a radar on the ground would be able to guide the missile.

If not Akinci fired an Akbaba missile before

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Greeks know what would happen If they lost so called air superiority so they are investing on their airforce like there is no future and they think they can comfront Turks by using “better” aircrafts. Greeks are planning all procurements by considering the current systems Turkish forces were equipped. When they receive a new off the shelf model/apply an upgrade for their existing system, they put rationality aside and start assuming they have gained superiority against Turks thanks to new orders. This wierd mentality drove them to place an urgent order for a new fighter aircraft without testing them or opening a tender. This was happened when they feel the fear deep inside their hearts against Turkey in E.Med. Here, This is what Turkish officials want them to think. Sometimes, The nations fall victim to their assumptions. This is the reason Turkey need to hide some strategic programs. To achieve some secret capabilities, the nations must have a self sufficient industry that will produce any required system in acc to power projection of armed forces. Close-box secret systems will cause lots of surprises to enemy in crisis times and The sole people who knows the capabilities of them will be the people who use them.

 

[Timur]

from wikipedia

good ones
patriots
s300
20 launchers skyguard/velos
crotale
21 systems of Tor m1
24 oerlikon

lesser ones
hawks

30 systems of sa8 geko
54 asrad hellas (stinger) german made
stinger manpads

guns
Mk 20 Rh-202
ZU-23-2
Artemis 30 greek made

19 apache attack helicopters

air to air
aim 9m 265
aim 9L/I1 300
aim 9p4 1000
aim 120c5/7 400
aim 120 b amram 80
iris t 350
r550 magic 2 300
mica 300

I would say they lack a little bit of air defence in masses but its good combined with their air fleet they could down many of our uavs


also I would say it would be very idiotic for us to attack with drones alone.. against assad and armenians without proper air fleet its something different

in a possible war the first thing I would do is to bomb the hell out of them.. massive rocket and cruise missle attacks all at once against their air bases, military bases, parlament, electric power generation , defence firms, highways, power and military infrastructure, in the same time massive attack against their sea vessels.. after that the hunt with drones against remaining things like defence systems, tanks, rocket systems would begin.. I would use the drones as baits for detection of air defence and remaining air fleet

but the reality is we are idiots with istanbul.. what do the people think? we are very vulnarable my opinion is I would do the same like atatürk he did not declare ankara as capital just for fun! he did it because its far away from a possible threat.. its in the heart of our country in the heart inhabited by our turkic anatolian people..

if you ask me we need to strengthen a line from ankara to m.sea and black sea.. build a better railway system that is not centralised many routes many anatolian cities connected to each other directly not through other cities and give more value for it to have better economic value

back to the topic:
if we have small fast jet powerd stealth drones this would change dramatically the scene, we need a drone that can shoot down a fighter air craft, our next drones after akinci and aksungur may be the real game changer until than our multi layered air defence will be ready! than we will have a great strike capability for land, sea and air combined with stealthy drones its will be a respectable force!

in my opinion we need akinci with stingers not against fighter aircrafts or helicopters (I think helicopter and f. aircrafts are too much to deal with) but more against other drones.. with akinci its doable! I hope there will be a variant with two stingers mounted on it (our turkish variants not the american ones)

 

[Huelague]

Personally, if I was Greece I would invest in offensive weaponry and good intelligence. Take out all major Turkish airbases and their assets day 1 and you can gain a huge advantage militarily. You must not rely on defensive in a situation like this, you must take decisive action and in the case of Greece end the war quickly.

No airbases= no drones + no fighters= domination of the battlefield

Storm Shadow CM and long range MLRS are both great starts for this exactly.

First, GR. cant target a 1000km away position (east Turkey). Second, how will GR destroy all major airbases within 24h without any response by us? Third, what about smaller airbases, or other runways, which we can use? How will GR stop our ballistic missiles, SOM, or ATMACA which can target any GR position?

 

[Huelague]

Greeks know what would happen If they lost so called air superiority so they are investing on their airforce like there is no future and they think they can comfront Turks by using “better” aircrafts. Greeks are planning all procurements by considering the current systems Turkish forces were equipped. When they receive a new off the shelf model/apply an upgrade for their existing system, they put rationality aside and start assuming they have gained superiority against Turks thanks to new orders. This wierd mentality drove them to place an urgent order for a new fighter aircraft without testing them or opening a tender. This was happened when they feel the fear deep inside their hearts against Turkey in E.Med. Here, This is what Turkish officials want them to think. Sometimes, The nations fall victim to their assumptions. This is the reason Turkey need to hide some strategic programs. To achieve some secret capabilities, the nations must have a self sufficient industry that will produce any required system in acc to power projection of armed forces. Close-box secret systems will cause lots of surprises to enemy in crisis times and The sole people who knows the capabilities of them will be the people who use them.

Bro, sometimes I got that feeling that you know something which you would not tell us.