There is a limit to how smaller you can get. If I would be paying similar prices I would rather have the 100kg one which gives real stand-off capability and adequate destruction without becoming big and clunky.
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1kg of Semtex or 1kg of C4 or 1Kg of C2 or 1Kg of TNT , or 1kg of nitroglycerin ;More lethal compared to what? What is the measurement of lethality. I would put an armor-piercing capability similar to Atmaca and can say my warhead is more lethal now. What is the total amount of energy both warheads release? That is the real question. There is no way a 140kg explosive releases more energy than a 250kg one. Anyone who invented such a chemical will win a nobel prize. Moreover, those explosives have to be insensitive and stable in all environmental changes. Those explosives also had to comply with NATO MIL-STD specs.
Even we have no money to buy this overpriced missile, than we must found customers who has that money. As far as the quality justify the price.Kuzgun-KY will be an overpriced underachiever for the class it is stationed in. We don't need a Brimstone. It is a failed product it is not cost-effective. Kuzgun has to be cost-effective. Remember triple Ms( Modüler, Müşterek, Maliyet-etkin) Brimstone block-1 is basically Umtas-ER which costs more than quadruple compared to Umtas. Brimstone Block-2 brings good capability but costs fucking a quarter of a million $. Mark my words Kuzgun-TJ will cost a lot less than a Brimstone-2. That is not logical. I would rather have cheap cost-effective Umtas-ER than having an overpriced Brimstone copy. At this segment (50kg/20-30km range) cost-effectivenes is more important than anything because armed forces will be using thousands of this.
Brimstone-1 ( 170k $ overpriced and has similar capability with a theoretical UMTAS-ER/NLOS)
Brimstone-2 (250k $ brings good capability but overpriced)
You may be correct from your own perspective. But from the article I have shared, what I understand is that US company has developed a ”more lethal” explosive for the “next generation” 2+ER version. It is NOT the same type of explosive used in previous Harpoons. It clearly compares this one to the previous Harpoon version being more lethal yet weighing less.
I am only going by, with what I read.
According to the below article this new generation version is developed from SLAM-ER land attack missile. And carries a “more lethal” warhead, is lighter faster and smaller.
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The Block II+ER is a lot lighter and smaller than the SLAM-ER, but it has a more lethal warhead, higher speed
Unquote.
However I agree that the article is a bit vague in expressing about what it is more lethal than. But one thing is sure. According to these articles; The new generation version is using a different and more effective explosive. But not necessarily more effective as a whole than the previous Harpoon..The Ship Hunting Harpoon Missile
The name Harpoon evokes whale hunting when one thinks about it, and for good reason, because this missile was originally designed in 1965 to hunt dieselwww.warhistoryonline.com
Is there any work for something similar to Rampage missile?
German scientists have developed one of the most reactive non-nuclear explosives known to man. It is called “aziroazide azide”. This is so active and unstable due to the 14 nitrogen atoms that are connected to each other and want to form expanding nitrogen gas, that even the slightest touch would detonate it. (They say even looking at it may detonate it).BTW TR has national HMX/RDX production capability and uses them in national warheads.
German scientists have developed one of the most reactive non-nuclear explosives known to man. It is called “aziroazide azide”. This is so active and unstable due to the 14 nitrogen atoms that are connected to each other and want to form expanding nitrogen gas, that even the slightest touch would detonate it. (They say even looking at it may detonate it).
Because of it’s unstable characteristics no end use has been found yet. But knowing human ingenuity when it comes to explosives, it won’t be long before it is used in warheads.
PETN is also a very powerful explosive. As it is difficult to detonate on it’s own it is quite often used together with RDX. It is in fact used in the exploding-bridgewire detonators in nuclear weapons.
RDX, HMX, TNT and similar nitrogen based explosives are actually very toxic and dangerous to human life. Ecologically use of these explosives is a disaster to the environment. PETN in a way is good as it is not toxic.
It is good that we have a production facility for explosives. But we should be looking in to R&D of newer types of explosives as well.
You may be correct from your own perspective. But from the article I have shared, what I understand is that US company has developed a ”more lethal” explosive for the “next generation” 2+ER version. It is NOT the same type of explosive used in previous Harpoons. It clearly compares this one to the previous Harpoon version being more lethal yet weighing less.
I am only going by, with what I read.
According to the below article this new generation version is developed from SLAM-ER land attack missile. And carries a “more lethal” warhead, is lighter faster and smaller.
Quote:
The Block II+ER is a lot lighter and smaller than the SLAM-ER, but it has a more lethal warhead, higher speed
Unquote.
However I agree that the article is a bit vague in expressing about what it is more lethal than. But one thing is sure. According to these articles; The new generation version is using a different and more effective explosive. But not necessarily more effective as a whole than the previous Harpoon..The Ship Hunting Harpoon Missile
The name Harpoon evokes whale hunting when one thinks about it, and for good reason, because this missile was originally designed in 1965 to hunt dieselwww.warhistoryonline.com
Laser guidance seeker is quite simple to manufacture.BTW laser guidance is always cheaper than IR which UMTAS has)
There is a limit to how smaller you can get. If I would be paying similar prices I would rather have the 100kg one which gives real stand-off capability and adequate destruction without becoming big and clunky.
This is an insanely fail concept. We shouldn't get any armored vehicles like this NEVER! And I have never heard and I don't think TAF has any requirement for a monstrosity like this.Surely you understand that there is a requirement to standardise a single missile with enhanced capabilities among Naval, Air and Land forces. The type of missile that fits among all three components of the Turkish Armed Forces is in my opinion, the Kuzgun-KY. It is light enough to be used on rotary aircraft while also being light enough to have multiples on jet aircraft. As the Kuzgun missile is modular, there are other versions of the missile in development also - as you know, Kuzgun has a glide version and a jet-powered version which will extend the stand-off capability - however, those versions will surely be limited to platforms capable of launching it.
And there you have it,
Kuzgun - Solid Rocket Motor
Kuzgun - Glide-Fall
Kuzgun - Jet Powered
We have all seen how a drone can spot multiple targets but is only capable of striking one target at a time. Having a missile that is small, deadly with simultaneous strike capability is the way forward.
Also, would be a great idea to convert some Firtina SPH chassis into missile carriers. (Pictured - K-9 Chassis with Brimstone Missile)
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Actually looking at UMTAS stations and launcher configuration, one would logically expect maximum of 60~kg for the missile. Especially for the Naval launchers such a missile shouldn't exceed twice weight of the UMTAS to remain in the capacity of the launcher and other factors (connection hinge for being exposed,not in a canister)It is light enough to be used on rotary aircraft while also being light enough to have multiples on jet aircraft. As the Kuzgun missile is modular, there are other versions of the missile in development also - as you know, Kuzgun has a glide version and a jet-powered version which will extend the stand-off capability - however, those versions will surely be limited to platforms capable of launching it.
This is an insanely fail concept. We shouldn't get any armored vehicles like this NEVER! And I have never heard and I don't think TAF has any requirement for a monstrosity like this.
They are the concept of an older doctrine. Israel fielded those in the 80s. When a 100kg Iranian makeshift kamikaze UAV that costs 10k destroys that people will realize how useless it is. You shouldn't concentrate your firepower on a single expensive IFV(costs over 8 million $) by putting 8x/16x very expensive missiles on it. You should distribute firepower with cost-effective carrier vehicles. 8x Brimstone missile costs as much as a TB2 that is wrong on many fronts.
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