Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, my brother.
Did they mentioned rapist?
No wonder someone piss off.
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Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, my brother.
Did they mentioned rapist?
No wonder someone piss off.
Imagine the disaster it could occur if someone from crowd opens harassing fire
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Not every country with muslim-majority has had the degree of secularisation that Turkey has had...and as crystallised in founding father to the degree it is.
It counts for a lot....it is why Turkey is a genuinely powerful, organised country compared to rest of muslim world.
The less that has been done in this regard, the higher chance you see of various degrees of Islamism and thus affinity for islamist-movements in other countries....no matter how brutal they have been, are, will be and have potential to be.
One sound conversation with a well-reasoned and well-read Pakistani on what the TTP is regarding if Taliban can be so neatly hemmed into "good" and "bad" by mere existence of a british-drawn border in the Pakthun hearth is all it takes in the end (if one is also well-reasoned and well-read to receive it).
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Sadly I have not been able to contribute to this thread but last 24 hours have been nothing less than tectonic. Some thoughts here -
If the contention peddled by Indians and others is true that Taliban are just Pakistani proxies then leaving asides everything else we can conclude this.
That Pakistan and it's 'evil' ISI have pulled of the greatest military operation of the last millenia. How did 60,000 chappel wearing, ISI trained Taliban defeat -
Do people really believe this was all a ISI plot?
Read this -
Link 1 - https://www.globalvillagespace.com/holding-us-accountable-for-its-miscalculations-in-afghanistan/
Link 2 - https://www.globalvillagespace.com/...epth-to-afghanistan-gen-tariq-khan-hits-back/
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If the contention peddled by Indians and others is true that Taliban are just Pakistani proxies then leaving asides everything else we can conclude this.
That Pakistan and it's 'evil' ISI have pulled of the greatest military operation of the last millenia. How did 60,000 chappel wearing, ISI trained Taliban defeat -
- US Army
- USAF
- US Marines
- Britain
- Dozen other NATO countries
- At peak 150,000 NATO soldiers
- 2 trillion dollars
- 20 years
- and then this rag tag 60,000 chappel wearing, shalwar kameez clad carrying nothing more heavier than AK-47 and RPG devastate 300,000 American trained, American equipped ANA who had a airforce also with significant Indian logistical support? ANA routed in 24 hours with President Ghani and that basket Indian proxy Amrullah Saleh running away to Tajikistan like two cowardly chickens?
Do people really believe this was all a ISI plot?
Read this -
Link 1 - https://www.globalvillagespace.com/holding-us-accountable-for-its-miscalculations-in-afghanistan/
Link 2 - https://www.globalvillagespace.com/...epth-to-afghanistan-gen-tariq-khan-hits-back/
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Every border of Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Myanmar and most of Middle East has been either drawn by British alone or with input from France or Russia. Please keep that in mind. Indian border with China [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_Line ], Nepal, Myanmar was drawn by British. Afghan border on the Amu Darya that divides the 'hearth' of the Tajiks on the east and Turkics on the west was drawn by Anglo-Russian officers.
Afghan Boundary Commission - Wikipedia
It's not merely a question of being secular. Some members here are delighted that the Taliban will bring in a medeival structure and busy laughing at rape "jokes".
Nah, Indians do believe that Pakistan did give refuge and some support to the Taliban. But that's the extent of it. Pakistan and ISI, with their own track record can't really pull off any strategic military operation - but can pull off a tactical one.
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Imagine him going out like: "Oke! You wanna play rough?! Say Hello to ma lil friend!" lol
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Every border of Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Myanmar and most of Middle East has been either drawn by British alone or with input from France or Russia. Please keep that in mind. Indian border with China [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_Line ], Nepal, Myanmar was drawn by British. Afghan border on the Amu Darya that divides the 'hearth' of the Tajiks on the east and Turkics on the west was drawn by Anglo-Russian officers.
Afghan Boundary Commission - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
We kept it full in mind...and demonstrated its faultiness when it expressed itself (millions of refugees with horror stories, scars and all) on the eastern radcliffe border....when a purported nationstate (with more than enough establishment time downstream of partition bloodshed) is supposed to have basic law, order, civility and stability to not cause that upon a neighbour.
Consequently dealing with those takfiri-islamists (a lot in khaki and with objective-resolution state sanction to be there doing what they were doing on innocent people) w.r.t our cultural+ethnic kin was most delectable to do in the end....though quite saddening to see how many they murdered (according to our cultural kin) to build up the degree of fault needed to remove them.
The Pakistani-that's-Turk-that's Dutch guy in his severely limited intellectual capacity...couldn't help posting a selective ashok swine tweet (in typical self-defeating way) just on that already..... along with his own later typical extremist-islamist inclusion about the "kuffar" and India "sob" day.
In any case the problem you have is the degree of islamism and inherent militancy (given the chasm of the degree of ultra-conservatism and willingness for violence to dominate the larger population) present in the pakthun population that does not recognise the durrand line....something just not found across the radcliffe line separating Bengalis.
Or is the TTP a good taliban now?
Secular and liberal Pakistanis (who can actually call out what fascist violence is in all stripes at the root principle of the matter...incl from their own populace, past and present) are most sage and prescient on what this all is in the end and what it is about.
It's whom I generally get into discourse about it.
Short answer fallout is coming globally, with +ve's & -ve's depends on the side you cheer for.
And i am sure you don't want my opinion further more, It will piss allot of members.
e.g I absolutely don't agree with the last paragraph of what (waz) wrote.
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I would like to think that we discuss issues above the level of 'good/bad' and 'love/hate'. These are best used in context of private individuals and not geo-politics or policies driven by nation states. There is precious little differance in the ideological moorings of Taliban [At or TTP] and what prevails in Saudia Arabia. I like to see Saudia as gilded Taliban and Afghan Taliban as the poor, crude variant. but that does not stop USA, the bastion of freedom and democracy to prop up the deeply misogynist Saudia wahabi/monarchy combo that rules it.
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Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, my brother.
Talking about piss off,
my thread at General section
about women right already deleted.
Reason: Irrelevant thread.
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This is very true. I am not excusing the US of its role in all of it (and occluded to large degree by its media and politicians as we already talked about before)...or the hypocrisy in the far more tolerated presence of the phenomenon when it is conveniently buttressed by enough natural resource like with the Saudis. You are one that has fought in one of most appreciable ways I have seen on Saudi madrassa funding in Pakistan...and the damage it has done.
It is.quite a deep role extending back w.r.t even just Afghanistan itself...i.e when the soviet intervention happened.
You mentioned this quite brilliantly somewhere earlier, as to how the soviets could have done a genuine cultural revolution if allowed the time and scope for it....that would have given Afghanistan its best chance in being secular and more genuinely united.
But US in short-visioned "payback" against "evil commie empire that got us in Nam" found the afghan situation and predicament quite an expendable stepping stone.
Then they are back again here....and just did more of the same in the end.....no real commitment or genuine plan that merited the intervention at the scale that was done.
US public blaming government & Biden, Biden blaming Trump and Trump blaming Biden etc
Sure US and NATO lost but its not their fault they did bomb every thing unwanted for them, spent 20 years, ++++ etc.
But it was their fate & destiny and any one else who have a desire to venture their as an invader will suffer the same.
US & NATO today, USSR before them, British, Mughals, Genghis Khan, Hulagu khan, Alexender and God knows how many more, All suffered the same fate defeated and kicked out, FOLLOWED by fallout.
Sure US and NATO lost but its not their fault they did bomb every thing unwanted for them, spent 20 years, ++++ etc.
But it was their fate & destiny and any one else who have a desire to venture their as an invader will suffer the same.
US & NATO today, USSR before them, British, Mughals, Genghis Khan, Hulagu khan, Alexender and God knows how many more, All suffered the same fate defeated and kicked out, FOLLOWED by fallout.
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I think you know my aversion to Islamists. The Saudi's are the fount of Islamic radicalism. The Taliban are deeply influenced by Saudi Salafism. Saudi tentacles even stretch to mosques in UK. Al Qaeda is a Arabian product. Most of the sectarian groups in Pakistan are fininaced by Saudi's. Yet despite all this Washington is ever ready to defend KSA.
This is the promise of west, Thanks to Pakistan packing them in C130's to get them out but still bad bad Pakistan. No one is going no where Not to Australia, Canada or US. And Pakistan is treating its neighbour very generously by denying them air routs, so its a lost hope for them already.
There will be allot of banging, tweets, press conferences & that it, as always.
After this, its up to them,
whether to wear modern military uniform
or stick with Afghan traditional cloth.
"Only at the airport" that's a big shock, i wonder why?
The forces of democracy and champions of humanity, women, chicken & animal rights are there. It must be all wrongly reported.
The forces of democracy and champions of humanity, women, chicken & animal rights are there. It must be all wrongly reported.
