500-1000 tonnes vessels don't have sufficient endurance, food storage, necessary complement to host personnel for dedicated missions and sea-keeping abilities to serve at open seas.For OPV roles u can produce 500-1000 ton ship not 3000 and equiping only with 76mm gun and 20mm
I bet those ships will became frigates but goverment dont want to start a arm race with others .
To me those estimates are like sweet music to my ears. If we're going to be able to protect Mavi Vatan and our cooperation with Libya and such we should have had Ada class covettes built as originally intended instead of delaying them.500-1000 tonnes vessels don't have sufficient endurance, food storage, necessary complement to host personnel for dedicated missions and sea-keeping abilities to serve at open seas.
Hisar-Class will be somewhere at 2000-2400 tonnes, with range of 7-8000+ miles, 30+ days autonomous operation capability (might be even further), operations up to sea state 5 and survive up to 7. Moreover will host a CMS ready to be scaled up.
These can not be supplied by a vessel stated in 500 to 1000 tonnes range.
It seems ufuk lacks the capability of electronic attack. Its mere purpose seems to be passive surveillance and communication centre. Maybe mukas ew system can be installed on the deck when needed.
The reason is Harpoon is still available is merely due to the melting stocks, once Harpoon goes off, or shelf live ends and spent in exercises all new orders will be made in Atmaca.I imagine that Atamaca can be placed on our current vessels without much hassle (correct me if I am wrong though). IMO Mavi Vatan dictates that we need more Corvettes and Frigates.
Dearsan's designs are good enough but unfortunately nothing stands in the way of Milgem, it was a design made to fill the gap from 1500 to 3500 tonnes. Alternative forms were offered to some countries and some of them didn't quite believe it can be scaled this far up and down, now they see it is happening and how flexible Ada-Class is, in fact it takes very little time to transfer it from a corvette to OPV,and to a frigate fully capable of multi-missions with decent sea-keeping and endurance. Ada-Class once going to prove itself with new-form for Ukraine. Total orders based on Ada will exceed 4 + 4 (+4) + 4 + 1 + 10 + 8 = 35 hulls excluding the possible future orders for domestic needs (cadet training) and export (the ones on negotiation exceeds 10). Pretty decent figures for a hull.However I won't rule out that we should have OPB(V) type's to patrol and prevent unloading of refugees on our islands (OPV76 Dearsan). Nor that we should seriously consider Dearsan's Corvettes C92 that can be armed pretty madly
If we end up winning the bid to supply Philippines Navy as well, then that would be an even bigger win as we'd actually supply an Asia pacific nation with what they need.The reason is Harpoon is still available is merely due to the melting stocks, once Harpoon goes off, or shelf live ends and spent in exercises all new orders will be made in Atmaca.
Dearsan's designs are good enough but unfortunately nothing stands in the way of Milgem, it was a design made to fill the gap from 1500 to 3500 tonnes. Alternative forms were offered to some countries and some of them didn't quite believe it can be scaled this far up and down, now they see it is happening and how flexible Ada-Class is, in fact it takes very little time to transfer it from a corvette to OPV,and to a frigate fully capable of multi-missions with decent sea-keeping and endurance. Ada-Class once going to prove itself with new-form for Ukraine. Total orders based on Ada will exceed 4 + 4 (+4) + 4 + 1 + 10 + 8 = 35 hulls excluding the possible future orders for domestic needs (cadet training) and export (the ones on negotiation exceeds 10). Pretty decent figures for a hull.
If MTU goes out we have other options (Warstila, MAN, CAT, Doosan, Chinese copy of MTU), they know that it is alot easier to replace engines on the marine vessels because it is spacious, they can't really risk this. If they do, it is entirely their own problem,not ours.My only concern with our ship building is the lack of our marine Diesel engine production capability.
If pushed, we may have to expose our naval force more in Eastern Mediterranean. This may lead to difficulties on our MTU marine Diesel engine supply from Germany.
We really need our own marine Diesel engine production.
I know that there are more choices in marine diesels.If MTU goes out we have other options (Warstila, MAN, CAT, Doosan, Chinese copy of MTU), they know that it is alot easier to replace engines on the marine vessels because it is spacious, they can't really risk this. If they do, it is entirely their own problem,not ours.
As long as it is diesel only option and not a highly customized propulsion system barely fit like the one on Ada or I-Class, there isn't any problems.
And MAN also have more license production available to Asia, they would like to hop on the the gap left by MTU by using 3rd part suppliers.I know that there are more choices in marine diesels.
Mind you, MAN is German too I think. Finnish Warstila may be swayed to German way. But as you say there are others. On the gas turbine area we are more restricted with GE and RR. We know that Indian navy uses Ukrainian gas turbines on some of their vessels. But GE is the norm for marine gas turbines. RR is very good too but more expensive. RR marine was purchased by the Kongsberg of Norway. So that too is a choice for diesel.
After Altay and Firtina engines debacle, we seem to be paranoid with engines.
But as you rightly explain they have more to lose if MTU decides to stop supplying marine engines.
It "is" already special , hope nobody is going to spoil it further and we will see it tomorrow when it is revealed.
Looks like ADKG will be Special.
It is such special that a few countries ,which rejected Turkey's offer in the past for a corvette + OPV deal, is going to regret it too bad.It "is" already special , hope nobody is going to spoil it further and we will see it tomorrow when it is revealed.
It is such special that a few countries ,which rejected Turkey's offer in the past for a corvette + OPV deal, is going to regret it too bad.