TR Naval Programs

[Pilatino]

I think we'll see Laser or RailGun on some of those ships. Mark my words.

 

[Anmdt]

For OPV roles u can produce 500-1000 ton ship not 3000 and equiping only with 76mm gun and 20mm
I bet those ships will became frigates but goverment dont want to start a arm race with others .

500-1000 tonnes vessels don't have sufficient endurance, food storage, necessary complement to host personnel for dedicated missions and sea-keeping abilities to serve at open seas.

Hisar-Class will be somewhere at 2000-2400 tonnes, with range of 7-8000+ miles, 30+ days autonomous operation capability (might be even further), operations up to sea state 5 and survive up to 7. Moreover will host a CMS ready to be scaled up.

These can not be supplied by a vessel stated in 500 to 1000 tonnes range.

 

[Saithan]

500-1000 tonnes vessels don't have sufficient endurance, food storage, necessary complement to host personnel for dedicated missions and sea-keeping abilities to serve at open seas.

Hisar-Class will be somewhere at 2000-2400 tonnes, with range of 7-8000+ miles, 30+ days autonomous operation capability (might be even further), operations up to sea state 5 and survive up to 7. Moreover will host a CMS ready to be scaled up.

These can not be supplied by a vessel stated in 500 to 1000 tonnes range.

To me those estimates are like sweet music to my ears. If we're going to be able to protect Mavi Vatan and our cooperation with Libya and such we should have had Ada class covettes built as originally intended instead of delaying them.

I imagine that Atamaca can be placed on our current vessels without much hassle (correct me if I am wrong though). IMO Mavi Vatan dictates that we need more Corvettes and Frigates.

However I won't rule out that we should have OPB(V) type's to patrol and prevent unloading of refugees on our islands (OPV76 Dearsan). Nor that we should seriously consider Dearsan's Corvettes C92 that can be armed pretty madly

Just that the keel needs to be laid yesterday.

 

[Steel]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1426923531472887810

It seems ufuk lacks the capability of electronic attack. Its mere purpose seems to be passive surveillance and communication centre. Maybe mukas ew system can be installed on the deck when needed.

 

[Anmdt]

I imagine that Atamaca can be placed on our current vessels without much hassle (correct me if I am wrong though). IMO Mavi Vatan dictates that we need more Corvettes and Frigates.

The reason is Harpoon is still available is merely due to the melting stocks, once Harpoon goes off, or shelf live ends and spent in exercises all new orders will be made in Atmaca.

However I won't rule out that we should have OPB(V) type's to patrol and prevent unloading of refugees on our islands (OPV76 Dearsan). Nor that we should seriously consider Dearsan's Corvettes C92 that can be armed pretty madly

Dearsan's designs are good enough but unfortunately nothing stands in the way of Milgem, it was a design made to fill the gap from 1500 to 3500 tonnes. Alternative forms were offered to some countries and some of them didn't quite believe it can be scaled this far up and down, now they see it is happening and how flexible Ada-Class is, in fact it takes very little time to transfer it from a corvette to OPV,and to a frigate fully capable of multi-missions with decent sea-keeping and endurance. Ada-Class once going to prove itself with new-form for Ukraine. Total orders based on Ada will exceed 4 + 4 (+4) + 4 + 1 + 10 + 8 = 35 hulls excluding the possible future orders for domestic needs (cadet training) and export (the ones on negotiation exceeds 10). Pretty decent figures for a hull.

 

[Saithan]

The reason is Harpoon is still available is merely due to the melting stocks, once Harpoon goes off, or shelf live ends and spent in exercises all new orders will be made in Atmaca.

Dearsan's designs are good enough but unfortunately nothing stands in the way of Milgem, it was a design made to fill the gap from 1500 to 3500 tonnes. Alternative forms were offered to some countries and some of them didn't quite believe it can be scaled this far up and down, now they see it is happening and how flexible Ada-Class is, in fact it takes very little time to transfer it from a corvette to OPV,and to a frigate fully capable of multi-missions with decent sea-keeping and endurance. Ada-Class once going to prove itself with new-form for Ukraine. Total orders based on Ada will exceed 4 + 4 (+4) + 4 + 1 + 10 + 8 = 35 hulls excluding the possible future orders for domestic needs (cadet training) and export (the ones on negotiation exceeds 10). Pretty decent figures for a hull.

If we end up winning the bid to supply Philippines Navy as well, then that would be an even bigger win as we'd actually supply an Asia pacific nation with what they need.

I mean Ada class Corvette would prove its worth in 3-4 different seas right ?

 

[Fairon]

I am wondering wheter if we could replace Burak class with Dearsan C-92? It seems like a capable ship and has the right amount of tonnage. MILGEM program focuess on frigates and destroyers at the moment and we really need to replace Burak class. It will speed up to process.

Maybe Navy intends to replace Burak class with OPV's. We will see.

 

[Yasar_TR]

My only concern with our ship building is the lack of our marine Diesel engine production capability.
If pushed, we may have to expose our naval force more in Eastern Mediterranean. This may lead to difficulties on our MTU marine Diesel engine supply from Germany.
We really need our own marine Diesel engine production.

 

[Anmdt]

My only concern with our ship building is the lack of our marine Diesel engine production capability.
If pushed, we may have to expose our naval force more in Eastern Mediterranean. This may lead to difficulties on our MTU marine Diesel engine supply from Germany.
We really need our own marine Diesel engine production.

If MTU goes out we have other options (Warstila, MAN, CAT, Doosan, Chinese copy of MTU), they know that it is alot easier to replace engines on the marine vessels because it is spacious, they can't really risk this. If they do, it is entirely their own problem,not ours.
As long as it is diesel only option and not a highly customized propulsion system barely fit like the one on Ada or I-Class, there isn't any problems.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If MTU goes out we have other options (Warstila, MAN, CAT, Doosan, Chinese copy of MTU), they know that it is alot easier to replace engines on the marine vessels because it is spacious, they can't really risk this. If they do, it is entirely their own problem,not ours.
As long as it is diesel only option and not a highly customized propulsion system barely fit like the one on Ada or I-Class, there isn't any problems.

I know that there are more choices in marine diesels.
Mind you, MAN is German too I think. Finnish Warstila may be swayed to German way. But as you say there are others. On the gas turbine area we are more restricted with GE and RR. We know that Indian navy uses Ukrainian gas turbines on some of their vessels. But GE is the norm for marine gas turbines. RR is very good too but more expensive. RR marine was purchased by the Kongsberg of Norway. So that too is a choice for diesel.
After Altay and Firtina engines debacle, we seem to be paranoid with engines.
But as you rightly explain they have more to lose if MTU decides to stop supplying marine engines.

 

[Anmdt]

I know that there are more choices in marine diesels.
Mind you, MAN is German too I think. Finnish Warstila may be swayed to German way. But as you say there are others. On the gas turbine area we are more restricted with GE and RR. We know that Indian navy uses Ukrainian gas turbines on some of their vessels. But GE is the norm for marine gas turbines. RR is very good too but more expensive. RR marine was purchased by the Kongsberg of Norway. So that too is a choice for diesel.
After Altay and Firtina engines debacle, we seem to be paranoid with engines.
But as you rightly explain they have more to lose if MTU decides to stop supplying marine engines.

And MAN also have more license production available to Asia, they would like to hop on the the gap left by MTU by using 3rd part suppliers.
The only concern is Gearbox, yet it is unnecessary if the propulsion system is changed to a simpler one, the options are vast on COGOG, CODOG.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427219357202006018

Looks like ADKG will be Special.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427219357202006018

Looks like ADKG will be Special.

It "is" already special , hope nobody is going to spoil it further and we will see it tomorrow when it is revealed.

 

[azaher77]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427237776714604544

 

[Anmdt]

+ By the way it is for sure Roketsan has not worried about the RCS as of now, we will see the Levent getting a more streamlined design apart from this "cool-looking" one. It will more look like RIM-116 launcher in the end.

 

[Anmdt]

It "is" already special , hope nobody is going to spoil it further and we will see it tomorrow when it is revealed.

It is such special that a few countries ,which rejected Turkey's offer in the past for a corvette + OPV deal, is going to regret it too bad.

 

[Anmdt]

Since I-Class's design has been finalized in many details, now at the IDEF we may expect to hear something regarding to the plan of serial production.

 

[TheInsider]

Those OPVs will be expensive, especially in that configuration, I don't know how we can produce 10 of them. Note that we will also be constructing İstif class and we will probably put TF-2000 on the keel. The calendar of those projects is intersecting. Money doesn't grow on the tree. I'm afraid we have to cut some projects. Let's wait and see.

 

[Khagan1923]

It is such special that a few countries ,which rejected Turkey's offer in the past for a corvette + OPV deal, is going to regret it too bad.

I think some of them already regret turning down Milgem. With Pakistan and now Ukraine we see just how flexible the platform actually is.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427247991275016198