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No im saying despite the US involvement it only improved by 10% and now even that little bit will be reversed.
Future hasn't revealed itself, Let us be patient and wait for the action.

We Hope everyone from Asia at last find peace.

West has too much money for War indestry, now they are poking India.
 

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Future hasn't revealed itself, Let us be patient and wait for the action.

We Hope everyone from Asia at last find peace.

West has too much money for War indestry, now they are poking India.
Yeah, well knowing how these guys ruled last time i wont place my bets on them.
 

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Lets look at the current situation.

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What do you think will these figures improve under Taliban regime? I hardly think so, i think there is a very good reason to be pessimistic about the future of Afghanistan and you as a Pakistani should be very worried to have it as your neighbor.
I think you know me as uber-secularist. So my views are not emphaticaly driven by any reasons relating to faith - rather based on reason and logic. The figures you cite actually validate my position.

Your argumant is premised on USA continuing to occupy Afghanistan and the war contrinues to perpetuity. Do you support this alternative to what has happened?

India, Pakistan or Bangladesh - one of which is sold as a miracle of the XXI century are only few points above Afghanistan. At least the Afghans can give the excuse that they have had 40 years of wars with two superpowers of their time.

All that and Afghanistan is still in the rear view mirror of South Asia. If occupation by a western power is elexir then hell why don't we have Africa, South Asia invaded and turned into subject countries.

The reality is is each country has to go through it own growing pains and find it's walk. There is no prosthetic for that.
 

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I think you know me as uber-secularist. So my views are not emphaticaly driven by any reasons relating to faith - rather based on reason and logic. The figures you cite actually validate my position.

Your argumant is premised on USA continuing to occupy Afghanistan and the war contrinues to perpetuity. Do you support this alternative to what has happened?

India, Pakistan or Bangladesh - one of which is sold as a miracle of the XXI century are only few points above Afghanistan. At least the Afghans can give the excuse that they have had 40 years of wars with two superpowers of their time.

All that and Afghanistan is still in the rear view mirror of South Asia. If occupation by a western power is elexir then hell why don't we have Africa, South Asia invaded and turned into subject countries.

The reality is is each country has to go through it own growing pains and find it's walk. There is no prosthetic for that.
You assume that i welcome the NATO mission but to be honest i dont really care, in fact i would be more than happy if Turkish troops returned to Turkey, what others do is not my business.
But if you ask me personally, i think anything is better than living under Taliban rule but to each his own, if Afghans welcome it then so be it.

As said i dont really mind what they do over there, i just assume that things will go down the drain even more over there based on past experiences, if it would stay in Afghanistan then fine by me but unfortunately it wont, we will have another wave of refugee that we can not take care of, another wave of terrorism seeping out of that country, thats my only problem with this whole thing.

As a Turkish saying goes, may they be close to Allah and far from me.
 

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I think you know me as uber-secularist. So my views are not emphaticaly driven by any reasons relating to faith - rather based on reason and logic. The figures you cite actually validate my position.

Your argumant is premised on USA continuing to occupy Afghanistan and the war contrinues to perpetuity. Do you support this alternative to what has happened?

India, Pakistan or Bangladesh - one of which is sold as a miracle of the XXI century are only few points above Afghanistan. At least the Afghans can give the excuse that they have had 40 years of wars with two superpowers of their time.

All that and Afghanistan is still in the rear view mirror of South Asia. If occupation by a western power is elexir then hell why don't we have Africa, South Asia invaded and turned into subject countries.

The reality is is each country has to go through it own growing pains and find it's walk. There is no prosthetic for that.
Of course each state does have to find its own path. But in an increasingly connected world, countries can't operate in silos. However reluctant, the Commonwealth had to declare war on the Nazis. Americans had to later on join. They had to cut a deal with Stalin and join hands.

Americans are the most reluctant superpower in history - they don't really have a national past before 1776 to dig deep enough. Their being a superpower was never preordained. So they don't know how to be one. It's almost like a teenager who gets bored with his latest Playstation after a while.

You can't have an exit date in Afghanistan. However skeletal, NATO presence would have been enough. After all the Americans are happy to protect Taiwan and South Korea. And even Japan. They weren't an occupying force or a colonial power in Afghanistan. Without looking at figures, I'd wager that on all development metrics Afghanistan improved more in the last 20 years than it did in the previous 200.
 

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we will have another wave of refugee that we can not take care of
There is direct correlation between refugees waves that wash on distant shore and these military interventions howsoever framed. I live in UK and every wave we have had here will have military thumbprint on it. Before 1990 I had never met a Iraqi in my life.

First Gulf War and waves of Kurds land here. Second Iraq war and more waves of Kurds/Iraqis. You would need a fine tooth comb to find a Afghan refugee in UK before 1990. But after 2001 a wave was set off. US mucking around in Somalia. Another Somali wave London having Somali pirate only hoods. Then Libya got attacked and the Mediteranean was broached with Sub-Saharans.

So these military interventions have no positive outcome but just create instability and waves of refugees. As regards Afghanistan the reality is more Americansd have been killed in gun crimes then a event that happened 20 years ago. In UK the much touted Muslim terrorism if looked at factually is less dangerous then staircases. More British have died from tripping on staircases then Islamic terror.

All this is just rubbish that elites use to play global chess games.
 

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we will have another wave of refugee that we can not take care of
There is direct correlation between refugees waves that wash on distant shore and these military interventions howsoever framed. I live in UK and every wave we have had here will have military thumbprint on it. Before 1990 I had never met a Iraqi in my life.

First Gulf War and waves of Kurds land here. Second Iraq war and more waves of Kurds/Iraqis. You would need a fine tooth comb to find a Afghan refugee in UK before 1990. But after 2001 a wave was set off. US mucking around in Somalia. Another Somali wave London having Somali pirate only hoods. Then Libya got attacked and the Mediteranean was broached with Sub-Saharans.

So these military interventions have no positive outcome but just create instability and waves of refugees. As regards Afghanistan the reality is more Americansd have been killed in gun crimes then a event that happened 20 years ago. In UK the much touted Muslim terrorism if looked at factually is less dangerous then staircases. More British have died from tripping on staircases then Islamic terror.

All this is just rubbish that elites use to play global chess games.
 

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Of course each state does have to find its own path.
India is one of the top countries on earth where the girl child is murdered in the culture which wants boys. The girl is then washed down the drain in a sickening habit to just have sons. This has been done in India on such a scale that your gender pyramid has become distorted. Should we get NATO to invade and bring some civilizstion?

Stop acting so uppity please. Pakistan and India are sh*tholes like Afghanistan, only the former is cleaner no giganbtic filthy slums and women are prettier. Asides that not much differance. Let's not ignore they have had 40 years of war.
 

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There is direct correlation between refugees waves that wash on distant shore and these military interventions howsoever framed. I live in UK and every wave we have had here will have military thumbprint on it. Before 1990 I had never met a Iraqi in my life.

First Gulf War and waves of Kurds land here. Second Iraq war and more waves of Kurds/Iraqis. You would need a fine tooth comb to find a Afghan refugee in UK before 1990. But after 2001 a wave was set off. US mucking around in Somalia. Another Somali wave London having Somali pirate only hoods. Then Libya got attacked and the Mediteranean was broached with Sub-Saharans.

So these military interventions have no positive outcome but just create instability and waves of refugees. As regards Afghanistan the reality is more Americansd have been killed in gun crimes then a event that happened 20 years ago. In UK the much touted Muslim terrorism if looked at factually is less dangerous then staircases. More British have died from tripping on staircases then Islamic terror.

All this is just rubbish that elites use to play global chess games.
Thats certainly true, instability creates refugees, as said im not saying america should stay, what im saying is one evil got replaced with a even worse evil.
If you really expect stability to return after this then you might find the whole situation good i just think the whole Afghanistan story is about to get worse than ever.
 

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Thats certainly true, instability creates refugees, as said im not saying america should stay, what im saying is one evil got replaced with a even worse evil.
If you really expect stability to return after this then you might find the whole situation good i just think the whole Afghanistan story is about to get worse than ever.
i will give a reply to what I hope and think could happen later.
 

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