Israeli study: Turkey is strongest maritime force in the region

[Lool]

Turkey is not beating isreal in a war anytime soon and rationally that isnt our fight right now. Iran, Russia, Suadia Arabia, the gulf states, syria, iraq, egypt, the greeks are all against us. Only a dope targets isreal when he already has so many other enemies.

You Forgot to add their main backers as well mate
USA and France

 

[Huelague]

Trolling is claiming air power isn't a decisive factor. Once you lose control of the skies its game over. But if you think old f16's are going to compete against F15's, F35's as well as modern Isreali f16's, you are fooling yourself.

In the air Isreal will wipe Turkey. Once you lose control of the skies, its game over.

Turkey is not beating isreal in a war anytime soon and rationally that isnt our fight right now. Iran, Russia, Suadia Arabia, the gulf states, syria, iraq, egypt, the greeks are all against us. Only a dope targets isreal when he already has so many other enemies.

Does Taliban/Afganistan or Vietnam control the air?

 

[GoatsMilk]

You Forgot to add their main backers as well mate
USA and France

Unless you can decouple Isreal from the USA, France and the UK, you shouldnt even look in Isreals direction. Thats just been rational.

 

[mulj]

Today israel can match in defensive war turkey but with each they it will be harder and more expensive for them, altougt this kind of hypothetic is boring as repeated many times..
In 10-15 year with fully digitalised and domestically weaponised turkish air force due simple numbers israel can not match it. Magnitude of MIUS program is decisive in my projection, israel is not even on beginnig of something similar, they rely to much on usa help

 

[GoatsMilk]

Does Taliban/Afganistan or Vietnam control the air?

Well if you want Turkey to be reduced to rubble and occupied for 20 years go for it. Yes the afghans kicked the americans and the vietmenese did. But they both lost millions and none of them damaged the USA directly.

So if your happy to lose the battle, get occupied for 20 years lose millions of Turkish citizens, but then to be happy 20 years down the line when they leave. Go for it.

In afghanistan there was no targets, just imagine the state Turkey could be rendered into. And how many decades will it take to return to where we are today?

No thats not how leaders should ever behave. We aim to win and win big, nothing else is acceptable.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Today israel can match in defensive war turkey but with each they it will be harder and more expensive is them, altougt this kind of hypothetic is boring as repeated many times..
In 10-15 year with fully digitalised and domestically weaponised turkish air force due simple numbers israel can not match it. Magnitude of MIUS program is decisive in my projection, israel is not even on beginnig of something similar, they rely to much on usa help amd aid.

A big part of winning is knowing what battles to fight. Isreal is not a battle for us right now.

 

[Lool]

Also self sufficiency began after Turkey defeated the greeks in 74, the west placed military embargoes on Turkey that lasted 4 years. The foundations for what we have now were laid in the years 74-78. We need to stop with this fantasy that erdogan is responsible for everything and without him no Turkey cant exist. Its dumb shit.

He's just a politician who diplomatically is shockingly bad.

Lets be honest here
I wont deny that the base for the military advancement was built in the 60s and 70s. Companies like Aselsan, rocketsan, and Havelsan etc were built during these times. However, they were stagnant for a long time
It was only around 2010 when they started showing great improvement and around 2015 when they started producing top class systems
It was no doubt that Erdo did extremely support such companies by a lot (whether it is for his ambitions or for Turkey in general)

 

[mulj]

A big part of winning is knowing what battles to fight. Isreal is not a battle for us right now.

Sure, but topic itself is click bait in that direction. Turkey aim should be to match Gb and France in terms of capabilities and numbers of airborne and sea assets not tiny israel which as anyway untouchable for forseen period of time as usa expositure.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Lets be honest here
I wont deny that the base for the military advancement was built in the 60s and 70s. Companies like Aselsan, rocketsan, and Havelsan etc were built during these times. However, they were stagnant for a long time
It was only around 2010 when they started showing great improvement and around 2015 when they started producing top class systems
It was no doubt that Erdo did extremeoy support such companies by a lot (whether it is for his ambitions or for Turkey in general)

It takes decades to educate people. As for erdogan its his job to support the defence industry. What is he running the country for? To be a loser and to make sure Turkey loses? Its his job to do good for the nation, its not his job to engage in corruption like Altay/BMC that kills projects.

Why are politicians being worshipped for doing the most basic of things of what they are expected to do? In tribal days, the moment the leader stopped performing he was gone, removed.

 

[Glass🚬]

I personally see total dominaton of the east med already in the early 2030´s, I think there will be various geopolitical events which will also faciliate the transition of the power balance and this wont be limited to regional affairs, it will go beyond that.

 

[Lool]

Does Taliban/Afganistan or Vietnam control the air?

Mate, Taliban won the war only when USA left the country
It isnt like they actually fought the USA
when the taliban was fighting the USA, Taliban didnt get many gains; yet, managed to kill many US soldiers by utilising the terrain
On the other hand, most of afghan government soldiers were mercenaries; when shit came real, theh chose their life over money and betrayed the country along with its greatest traitor Ghani himself

 

[GoatsMilk]

Sure, but topic itself is click bait in that direction. Turkey aim should be to match Gb and France in terms of capabilities and numbers of airborne and sea assets not tiny israel which as anyway untouchable for forseen period of time as usa expositure.

I think Isreal actually has a larger fighter aircraft force then either France or GB.

 

[Lool]

It takes decades to educate people. As for erdogan its his job to support the defence industry. What is he running the country for? To be a loser and to make sure Turkey loses? Its his job to do good for the nation, its not his job to engage in corruption like Altay/BMC that kills projects.

Why are politicians being worshipped for doing the most basic of things of what they are expected to do? In tribal days, the moment the leader stopped performing he was gone, removed.

Sadly, From the recent events, I myself have got disappointed in Altay project especially after the factory of Karasu wont be built
It seems that the Altay project may never be fulfilled
But I also do know that such setbacks are common in the industry. Why does none talk about South Korea's tanks that experienced setbacks or the US F35 project that was delayed several times, sucked millions of taxpayer money; yet at the end didnt even fulfill the project main goals

Such setbacks are common
What is more improtant is for core projects to proceed smoothly
Things like 1- Crusie missiles
2- Engines
3- Jets
4- Nuclear technology etc...

Iam not saying that the tank isnt crucial tbh
However, many countries that tried to make tanks from scratch always experienced setbacks so I was always expecting a setback even after otokar announced its plans to build it in 2015 or 2016.... that is the norm in tank production it seems
What is unique is that if the tank is actualpy done it will have a national engine, national transmission and turkey will nearly own all rights to it; thus, dealing a massive blow to the germans in retaliation in the long term

 

[mulj]

I think Isreal actually has a larger fighter aircraft force then either France or GB.

Might be now but that is not the point in 2 years if france or gb decide to have couple of hundreds new fighters they could have it. Capabilities are important....

 

[Lool]

I think Isreal actually has a larger fighter aircraft force then either France or GB.

Yes that is true.
The actual number isnt actually disclosed since you know.....God damn jews are getting extreme favouritism but reports indicate that they posses more than 600 fighter jets. On the other hand, France only has around 200 attack fighter jets

 

[Lool]

It takes decades to educate people. As for erdogan its his job to support the defence industry. What is he running the country for? To be a loser and to make sure Turkey loses? Its his job to do good for the nation, its not his job to engage in corruption like Altay/BMC that kills projects.

Why are politicians being worshipped for doing the most basic of things of what they are expected to do? In tribal days, the moment the leader stopped performing he was gone, removed.

No you are wrong
Take South Africa as an example
The previous government made many defense companies and sadly the new government didnt support it well; thus, leading to its bankruptcy and the UAE just sucked all of its engineers
The defense companies are like delicate flowers; they need to watered daily, given the best pasture available, 24/7 care and under optimal environmental conditions to grow perfectly.
While Iam disappointed in the AKP'S performance with BMC (like truly disappointed and those inferior leaders of BMC should be held accountable for it especially that rotten prick ethem sancak), Iam more than happy with their performance with the other companies of the defence sector. Ismail Demir is doing most of his job well and Erdo isnt shying away from giving the money required to develop the weapons needed by the Turkish army

 

[Huelague]

Well if you want Turkey to be reduced to rubble and occupied for 20 years go for it. Yes the afghans kicked the americans and the vietmenese did. But they both lost millions and none of them damaged the USA directly.

So if your happy to lose the battle, get occupied for 20 years lose millions of Turkish citizens, but then to be happy 20 years down the line when they leave. Go for it.

In afghanistan there was no targets, just imagine the state Turkey could be rendered into. And how many decades will it take to return to where we are today?

No thats not how leaders should ever behave. We aim to win and win big, nothing else is acceptable.

Afganistan has won against Russia and USA, and Vietnam against USA also, right?

 

[Huelague]

Bullshit!

Air superiority is of course important, but not everything. It is still impossible for Israel to conquer Turkey with his massive population and mountainous terrain. Not to mention our Navy superiority. Israel air defense can do shit against a massive rocket/missile attack. The have just few minutes to react. Sending hundreds of missile or bomb dummies by following a massive missile attack would bring Israel air defense systems down.

We have seen how easy massive air defense systems can be fooled and knocked out in Karabagh war. Now, image OUR FULL capacity/capability. Yes, Israel is not Armenia, but we are not Azerbaijan. In a massive first strike, Israel can do shit! Because the are still smal country with less populations. The last choice they would have is the nuke.

Don't overestimate Israels capabilities.

 

[Huelague]

Mate, Taliban won the war only when USA left the country
It isnt like they actually fought the USA
when the taliban was fighting the USA, Taliban didnt get many gains; yet, managed to kill many US soldiers by utilising the terrain
On the other hand, most of afghan government soldiers were mercenaries; when shit came real, theh chose their life over money and betrayed the country along with its greatest traitor Ghani himself

They use Guerilla tactics in an asymmetric warfare. With the support of the whole nation and his people they could harm US much more.

 

[The Dutchman]

Today israel can match in defensive war turkey but with each they it will be harder and more expensive for them, altougt this kind of hypothetic is boring as repeated many times..
In 10-15 year with fully digitalised and domestically weaponised turkish air force due simple numbers israel can not match it. Magnitude of MIUS program is decisive in my projection, israel is not even on beginnig of something similar, they rely to much on usa help

Thats bs,the israeli airforce uses its on systems on all fighter aircraft,their drone programs are on par with the US's,same goes for their missiles,a nuclear power,all kinds of land systems yet you claim its nothing without the US.
Do you live in a fantasy world or something?