TR Propulsion Systems

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441342667397292033

This is great news!
M. Aksit, in TEI, wants to produce f404GE102 engine in Turkey with at least 40-50% domestic contribution. He wants a similar understanding of T700–TEI701D where the domestic contribution started at 20% . Now it is over 50%.
This will help with our TFX engine too.

 

[Saithan]

This is great news!
M. Aksit, in TEI, wants to produce f404GE102 engine in Turkey with at least 40-50% domestic contribution. He wants a similar understanding of T700–TEI701D where the domestic contribution started at 20% . Now it is over 50%.
This will help with our TFX engine too.

While I understand the benefits of coproducing as it could be used for exports. I'm not so thrilled at the prospect that it will get in the way of our domestic engine production and prevent us from being 100% independent even in export.

Especially not when RTE says the relations with US is going in the wrong direction. Money talks, and may still benefit us, but I am seriously against it as I previously said I want to see the militarized version of TS1400 on the damn helicopters.

Successful T129 with TS1400 would make those coproduction deals much easier.

 

[Zafer]

I don't like TEI taking shortcuts. There was a mention by the SSB Chief İsmail Demir of an engine project for Hürjet class. I hope there is a domestic project other than this license production. It will depend on what number of Hürjets will be built off course and if it makes sense to make domestic engines for it and possible future planes using similar class engines.

 

[Saithan]

For Hurjet and who knows may be for supersonic MIUS's engine issue we may feel a bit relaxed if we can achive an agreement with GE.

I don't think we have any luxury like that. It's imperative that we achieve militarizing the engines we have at the moment and utilize them to the fullest to achieve leaps in independence.

Just as the success of TB2 opened up markets success with TS1400 in T129 will result in the same.

 

[Zafer]

GE engines can only buy us time until we make more suitable engines for our needs. We need totally indigenous engines in every major category.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

President Erdogan: "With Russia, We talked about what steps we will take in the construction of aircraft engines, regarding warplanes.we will take the some step in aircraft engines."

 

[Anmdt]

President Erdogan: "With Russia, We talked about what steps we will take in the construction of aircraft engines, regarding warplanes.we will take the some step in aircraft engines."

I really sense he is trying to dynamite some development happening elsewhere, not particularly him but a few people from the inner circle who goes along with him to such meetings who brokers this kind of deals for a commission;

-GE announcing LM2500-500 production in turkey,
-TEI nearing to sign agreement for locally manufacturing F404,
-RR nearing to ink some deals on the future TF engine of MMU,
-TEI making some progress on TF engines (by partnering) for UCAVs

and then suddenly this happens, he makes some absurd statements and halts the entire progress happening.

 

[Agha Sher]

I really sense he is trying to dynamite some development happening elsewhere, not particularly him but a few people from the inner circle who goes along with him to such meetings who brokers this kind of deals for a commission;

-GE announcing LM2500-500 production in turkey,
-TEI nearing to sign agreement for locally manufacturing F404,
-RR nearing to ink some deals on the future TF engine of MMU,
-TEI making some progress on TF engines (by partnering) for UCAVs

and then suddenly this happens, he makes some absurd statements and halts the entire progress happening.

He could also be trying to speed up some development. Putting pressure on GE, RR by showing that Turkey has options.

 

[Abdelaziz]

I really sense he is trying to dynamite some development happening elsewhere, not particularly him but a few people from the inner circle who goes along with him to such meetings who brokers this kind of deals for a commission;

-GE announcing LM2500-500 production in turkey,
-TEI nearing to sign agreement for locally manufacturing F404,
-RR nearing to ink some deals on the future TF engine of MMU,
-TEI making some progress on TF engines (by partnering) for UCAVs

and then suddenly this happens, he makes some absurd statements and halts the entire progress happening.

What progress ? He is making absolutely the right thing .. are u still insisting on putting all u eggs on american and the west packet ? If u dont have alternatives u will be slapped one after the other ... He is simply tired of this shit

 

[Elaser]

I really sense he is trying to dynamite some development happening elsewhere, not particularly him but a few people from the inner circle who goes along with him to such meetings who brokers this kind of deals for a commission;

-GE announcing LM2500-500 production in turkey,
-TEI nearing to sign agreement for locally manufacturing F404,
-RR nearing to ink some deals on the future TF engine of MMU,
-TEI making some progress on TF engines (by partnering) for UCAVs

and then suddenly this happens, he makes some absurd statements and halts the entire progress happening.

LOL biased much?

Because it is RTE it is automatically bad.

Why not because putting pressure on western companies to get better deals. Never bet all in one...

 

[Elaser]

He could also be trying to speed up some development. Putting pressure on GE, RR by showing that Turkey has options.

What progress ? He is making absolutely the right thing .. are u still insisting on putting all u eggs on american and the west packet ? If u dont have alternatives u will be slapped one after the other ... He is simply tired of this shit

LOL biased much?

Because it is RTE it is automatically bad.

Why not because putting pressure on western companies to get better deals. Never bet all in one...

Haha we have hivemind!

 

[Abdelaziz]

I really sense he is trying to dynamite some development happening elsewhere, not particularly him but a few people from the inner circle who goes along with him to such meetings who brokers this kind of deals for a commission;

-GE announcing LM2500-500 production in turkey,
-TEI nearing to sign agreement for locally manufacturing F404,
-RR nearing to ink some deals on the future TF engine of MMU,
-TEI making some progress on TF engines (by partnering) for UCAVs

and then suddenly this happens, he makes some absurd statements and halts the entire progress happening.

And its mou not an agreement .. it doesnt mean any thing ... Other items are baseless ..no just conversations and hopes

 

[Anmdt]

LOL biased much?

Because it is RTE it is automatically bad.

Why not because putting pressure on western companies to get better deals. Never bet all in one...

Because it is Russian, it is bad.
We know who is biased here looking at the avatars.
"Because it is RTE, then it is right", unconditionally admitting without even filtering.

 

[Anmdt]

What progress ? He is making absolutely the right thing .. are u still insisting on putting all u eggs on american and the west packet ? If u dont have alternatives u will be slapped one after the other ... He is simply tired of this shit

We have two baskets; one with western or anything developed jointly with them, one national basket where project is entirely developed here.
No place for a rotten untrustworthy 3rd basket prone to fail and also break the other baskets at any moment.

PS: Turkey is not a 3rd world country to make 3-4 baskets with direct purchases from several suppliers just to secure future, there is a rising industry and all we should do is strengthening the national basket.

 

[Elaser]

Because it is Russian, it is bad.
We know who is biased here looking at the avatars.
"Because it is RTE, then it is right", unconditionally admitting without even filtering.

I wish turkey also makes contact with chinese engine makers for more leverage. Chinese love win-win deals. They make you think you have done it yourself while they have done the most work. They like to save face for others.

They helped iran and northkorea with radars and sam without taking credit for it.

This gives Turkey more leverage againsst western companies.

 

[Anmdt]

This gives Turkey more leverage againsst western companies.

Read your own post to realize the contradiction.

 

[the]

Its quite clear that Erdogan is trying to please Putin by putting forward co-operation possibilities - in order to prevent an operation in Idlib. I mean the entire objective of the meeting was to come to an agreement in Northern Syria, but the only statement about it was " maintaining the status-quo in Idlib".

I would say/hope that what Erdogan is saying is nothing more than a bluff to play off the US (and even Germany for that matter) against Russia to improve ties but based on what happened with the S400s, its quite possible that some of what he mentioned in terms co-operation actually does happen.......

 

[Elaser]

Because it is Russian, it is bad.
We know who is biased here looking at the avatars.
"Because it is RTE, then it is right", unconditionally admitting without even filtering.

LOL if you look closely you see MKA behind RTE watching over him...

Dont go off on appearances only...

 

[Anmdt]

I would say/hope that what Erdogan is saying is nothing more than a bluff to play off the US (and even Germany for that matter) against Russia to improve ties but based on what happened with the S400s, its quite possible that some of what he mentioned in terms co-operation actually does happen.......

He has spoken on S-400, we thought it was a bluff, then it happened and caused a catastrophe,
He again speaks on several matters, i am sure these will somehow happen and cause worse catastrophic events than before.
Despite of CAATSA and other sanctions, embargo, the cooperation - partnership is still happening in the background off-the eyes, If this happens it will go worse and diminish.
and Russian despite of acting as a "friend" will never contribute as much as the "enemy-threat like" west, even in the best-case scenario.
Checking Syrian thread will tell us much better about how "friendly" Russians are.

 

[Abdelaziz]

We have two baskets; one with western or anything developed jointly with them, one national basket where project is entirely developed here.
No place for a rotten untrustworthy 3rd basket prone to fail and also break the other baskets at any moment.

PS: Turkey is not a 3rd world country to make 3-4 baskets with direct purchases from several suppliers just to secure future, there is a rising industry and all we should do is strengthening the national basket.

These fields still very unlikely for turkey to go through alone ..esp with aircraft engines ... And imo russia is very likely to be the 1st option for TAI if their is a problem with f110 usage ... Forget to get any congress approval for any deal with the current american administration ... Its hostile against turkey and will use every chance to harm it .. coz we know how far biden loves greeks and pkk