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Taliban fragmentation: How real is the divide?​

Despite reports of division among the group, the Taliban is more united today since the fall of its regime in 2001 and is unlikely to split up in the coming years, former Afghan officials, sources within the group and analysts say.

Since the Taliban took over the capital Kabul last month, reports of intra-party conflict emerged in the public sphere, purportedly fueled by the "political-military divide" and the non-inclusive interim government that is objected by the group's moderate leaders.

Several reports have provided details of physical altercation earlier this month between the leaders of moderate and hard-line camps: one led by Mullah Baradar, the Taliban government's newly appointed deputy prime minister; and the other by Khalil ul Rahman Haqqani, Afghanistan's new refugees minister and leader of the Taliban's Haqqani Network faction.

If these reports of internal tensions are accurate, such deep-seated disharmony may intensify in the coming weeks especially when the group is trying to gain international legitimacy and tackle domestic crisis, including the threat posed by Daesh, also known as the Islamic State Khorasan (IS-K).

With that being said, reports of the Taliban infighting should not be exaggerated either.

Like many other political organisations, there will be multiple power bases within the Taliban movement, which would compete for positions and privileges, but that has rarely ever translated to the emergence of fissures within the movement, analysts and experts say, adding that movement and its top leadership value unity above all considerations.

"The Taliban are the most unified organization in Afghanistan. There has never been a significant split in the organization. There are many differences and rivalries that are seized on by their opponents as evidence that the Taliban are divided, but they have never been divided in practice. The CIA spent $1 bn trying to split the Taliban and failed," Barnett Rubin, a former State Department official and an academic involved in peace talks with the Taliban who is now a non-resident fellow at the Center on International Cooperation of New York University, told TRT World.


The matters of consensus

In recent days since the group took power last month, reports of abusive treatment by Taliban fighters in Kabul and reprisals against members of the former government and military and civil society activists emerged despite promises of amnesty by the Taliban, raising alarm that Afghanistan's new rulers might be facing problems in controlling forces on the ground.

In the past, however, despite navigating the political and military divide, the Taliban has almost always managed to put up a show of unity, especially when the group announced brief spells of truces, its fighters on the ground laid down their arms.

Ibraheem Bahiss, an expert on Afghanistan with Crisis Group, explains that the Taliban operated in a decentralised fashion as an insurgent force, offering local commanders leeway to formulate policy at their discretion. There is a growing sense in the movement that some commanders are continuing to exercise that prerogative.

"I sense the leadership is taking incremental steps to exercise greater control over local commanders and rank and file. Recently, the Taliban established a "cleansing the ranks" commission that will seek to purge irreconcilable elements from the movement. I think this is driven by their desire to enforce greater discipline within the movement," he said.

Now as some prominent Taliban social media activists have been denying any differences whatsoever, TRT World's detailed discussions with the Taliban figures present a more nuanced picture.

“There’s been a lot of propaganda against us. Some outright lies and fabrications such as reports of infighting between Taliban leaders,” said a Taliban official from the Ministry of Information and Culture who asked not to be identified.

“Yes there are some differences over ijtihaadi matters and there are debates within,” he added.

‘Ijtihaad’ in Islamic jurisprudence refers to the process of deriving rulings from the Quran and the sayings and practices of Prophet Muhammad as well as using other tools such as analogical reasoning.

“Mullah Haibatullah Akhundzada is opposed to photography and video-making. But many scholars within the Taliban are okay with digital photography and video-making. Amir-ul-Momineen has given them the freedom to act according to their view on the matter,” he explained.

Senior Taliban figure Anas Haqqani told TRT World that if the group was interested in power and privilege, "we could have easily obtained it in the early days of US occupation. There were many opportunities. But we stood together and made sacrifices for our principles. We are united by Islam".

There are debates within the Taliban over the role and participation of women in public life.

While some members support a hardline view, many others are in favour of greater participation by women based on evidence from Islamic theology and history.

They have been pushing for a more inclusive government with women in various positions.

In a discussion with TRT World, one Taliban figure who is also a mufti (religious scholar qualified to issue Islamic edicts) pointed out that there’s a provision within Hanafi jurisprudence for women to be judges and hold other senior public offices. He acknowledged that some hardliners cannot substantiate their position from an Islamic legal perspective and their views are rooted in culture.

“It’s not easy to abandon a position that has been held by your forefathers,” he said.

Similarly, when it comes to girls' education, hardly anyone in the Taliban could deny the clear statements of Prophet Muhammad on the obligation of seeking knowledge for men and women.

Aisha, one of the wives of Prophet Muhammad, was a prominent scholar of Islam and a teacher to many prominent companions of the prophet.

Some hardliners have pushed for the suspension of girls' education until strict measures are applied to practice gender-based segregation.

Many senior Taliban figures, especially those who have lived abroad over the last few years, take a more lenient view on this matter.

While they are opposed to the suspension of girls' education, they believe that Afghan society is by nature fairly conservative and the overwhelming majority of people will abide by the Taliban's policies.

"I don’t think this division necessarily corresponds in any simple way to views on women, but certainly those with international exposure are more likely to be favourable to women’s participation in government," Rubin said.

Despite the United States and the former Afghan government's attempt to fragment the Taliban in the past, the Taliban has seized unprecedented amounts of territory over the years and secured a troop withdrawal deal with the United States. It then took control of Kabul without a single bullet fired, saw Ashraf Ghani flee the country and announced an interim government. Today, they govern Afghanistan.

"Opponents always exaggerate any disagreement and say that the Taliban is about to splinter but it has never happened. Now they are in a completely new situation, but their opponents are still engaged in wishful thinking and underestimating them," Rubin said.
 

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It's official. Not that we needed this [with exception of few who act more catholic then the pope] the United States lost the war in Afghanistan to Taliban.

US 'lost' the 20-year war in Afghanistan: top US general​

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The top US general conceded in a stark admission on Wednesday that the United States "lost" the 20-year war in Afghanistan.

"It is clear, it is obvious to all of us, that the war in Afghanistan did not end on the terms we wanted, with the Taliban in power in Kabul," General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee.

"The war was a strategic failure," Milley told a committee hearing about the US troop pullout from Afghanistan and the chaotic evacuation from the capital Kabul.

"It wasn't lost in the last 20 days or even 20 months," Milley said.

"There's a cumulative effect to a series of strategic decisions that go way back," said the general, the top military advisor to President Joe Biden, who ordered an end to the 20-year US troop presence in Afghanistan.

"Whenever you get some phenomenon like a war that is lost -- and it has been, in the sense of we accomplished our strategic task of protecting America against Al-Qaeda, but certainly the end state is a whole lot different than what we wanted," Milley said.


@AlphaMike you need to introduce your novel idea that far from losing, United States actually won the war and pin a medal or two on his ample chest.
 

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PM speaks to Emomali to defuse Tajikistan’s tension with Taliban


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ISLAMABAD: With tensions mounting between the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and Tajikistan, Prime Minister Imran Khan on Saturday stepped in to defuse tensions, according to a diplomatic source.
“Prime Minister Imran Khan held telephonic conversation with President Emomali Rahmon of Tajikistan today,” the Prime Minister Office said in a statement.
The call took place as Taliban officials and Tajik government exchanged barbs and reports emerged that Tajik forces held parades in regions bordering Afghanistan earlier in the week in a show of power and Taliban sent thousands of fighters to the border with Afghanistan’s northeastern neighbour.
Two leaders agree to coordinate efforts in support of Afghan stability
Tajikistan has taken a tough line on Taliban regime and has been critical of human rights violations committed by it, particularly in Panjshir province.
PM Khan had on his return from Shanghai Cooperation Organisation’s summit in Tajikistan on Sept 18 announced that he was persuading Taliban to form an inclusive government by including people from other ethnicities. He had on this occasion specially referred to his conversation with President Emomali on this issue.
“After mtgs in Dushanbe with leaders of Afghanistan’s neighbours & especially a lengthy discussion with Tajikistan’s President Emomali Rahmon, I have initiated a dialogue with the Taliban for an inclusive Afghan govt to include Tajiks, Hazaras & Uzbeks,” Mr Khan had then tweeted.
Taliban, however, see Tajikistan’s criticism of them and the composition of their government as meddling in Afghanistan’s internal affairs.
Afghan deputy prime minister Abdul Salaam Hanafi had in a TV interview earlier in the week said: “We will not allow any neighbouring nation to interfere in the internal matters of Afghanistan.”
Ethnic Tajiks make up the second biggest ethnicity in Afghanistan. They are nearly 27 per cent of Afghanistan’s population. Most of the groups opposing Taliban have, meanwhile, taken up refuge in Tajikistan.
The PMO statement did not publicly state that Mr Khan had called for lowering of tensions between the two sides. It instead said that Mr Khan had during the conversation “underscored the urgent imperative to address the humanitarian needs of the Afghan people,” and importance of the role the international community can play in providing necessary humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan.
The PMO said the prime minister had also highlighted the immediate importance of economic engagement with Afghanistan to prevent an economic meltdown and to alleviate the suffering of common people. “The two leaders agreed to remain in close contact with a view to further coordinating their efforts in support of peace and stability in Afghanistan,” it further said.
PM Khan has emerged as the top advocate for international community’s engagement with the Taliban.
Published in Dawn, October 3rd, 2021
 

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It's official. Not that we needed this [with exception of few who act more catholic then the pope] the United States lost the war in Afghanistan to Taliban.

US 'lost' the 20-year war in Afghanistan: top US general​

Washington (AFP)

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The top US general conceded in a stark admission on Wednesday that the United States "lost" the 20-year war in Afghanistan.

"It is clear, it is obvious to all of us, that the war in Afghanistan did not end on the terms we wanted, with the Taliban in power in Kabul," General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee.

"The war was a strategic failure," Milley told a committee hearing about the US troop pullout from Afghanistan and the chaotic evacuation from the capital Kabul.

"It wasn't lost in the last 20 days or even 20 months," Milley said.

"There's a cumulative effect to a series of strategic decisions that go way back," said the general, the top military advisor to President Joe Biden, who ordered an end to the 20-year US troop presence in Afghanistan.

"Whenever you get some phenomenon like a war that is lost -- and it has been, in the sense of we accomplished our strategic task of protecting America against Al-Qaeda, but certainly the end state is a whole lot different than what we wanted," Milley said.


@AlphaMike you need to introduce your novel idea that far from losing, United States actually won the war and pin a medal or two on his ample chest.

As I said before, war is politics by other means, war is an option to compel your foe into accepting your demands when other political options failed.

So it's very possible to actually lost the war but came out victorious vice versa.

think about the Vietnam war. This war In Southeast Asia is the closest analogue to the war in Afghanistan.

Basically the US fought for and patronizes a puppet government against a popular insurgency.

During the Vietnam war, that is the communists Vietcong against the capitalist Republic of Viet Nam.

As we know, the communists did came out victorious , and the RVN collapses.

What people seem to forget is that not long after the fall of Saigon, communists Viet Nam actually adopted capitalism, the doi moi reform saw a transition from a centralized planned economy into a free market model. Fast forward 40+ years later ironically "communist" Vietnam would become US unofficial ally against communists China in the Pacific.

When the US entered Afghanistan and toppled the IEA, the immediate concern is how to create a government opposite to how the IEA used to govern.

Key difference between the islamic emirate and the islamic republic envision at the time is :

1. Acceptance of international norms
2. Western standard human right
3. Secular law instead of Islamic sharia law
4. Inclusion of all ethnic and religious people in the government and society.

Fast forward 20 years and enough JDAM's dropped, this very model of governance is what the Taliban are trying to assure the int'l community.

The fact that the Taliban would go all the way dropping the sharia and replaces it with Zahir shah constitution is an undeniable proof of the success of NATO nation building. Although with an unlikely partner.
 

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As I said before, war is politics by other means, war is an option to compel your foe into accepting your demands when other political options failed.

So it's very possible to actually lost the war but came out victorious vice versa.

think about the Vietnam war. This war In Southeast Asia is the closest analogue to the war in Afghanistan.

Basically the US fought for and patronizes a puppet government against a popular insurgency.

During the Vietnam war, that is the communists Vietcong against the capitalist Republic of Viet Nam.

As we know, the communists did came out victorious , and the RVN collapses.

What people seem to forget is that not long after the fall of Saigon, communists Viet Nam actually adopted capitalism, the doi moi reform saw a transition from a centralized planned economy into a free market model. Fast forward 40+ years later ironically "communist" Vietnam would become US unofficial ally against communists China in the Pacific.

When the US entered Afghanistan and toppled the IEA, the immediate concern is how to create a government opposite to how the IEA used to govern.

Key difference between the islamic emirate and the islamic republic envision at the time is :

1. Acceptance of international norms
2. Western standard human right
3. Secular law instead of Islamic sharia law
4. Inclusion of all ethnic and religious people in the government and society.

Fast forward 20 years and enough JDAM's dropped, this very model of governance is what the Taliban are trying to assure the int'l community.

The fact that the Taliban would go all the way dropping the sharia and replaces it with Zahir shah constitution is an undeniable proof of the success of NATO nation building. Although with an unlikely partner.
I think you need to get a job as adjutant to General Mark Milley and tell him he is wrong. USA won. Celebrate instead of being deflated. Specifically you need to educate and correct the general with referance to quote below.

"It is clear, it is obvious to all of us, that the war in Afghanistan did not end on the terms we wanted, with the Taliban in power in Kabul," General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee.

What is obvious to the general and many others in US establishment is not so obvious or clear to you. Maybe you know something better than them.
 

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Cooperate or not cooperate, Taliban are being killed daily anyway.

Doesn't matter that much.

I'll write my opinions on such NRF cooperation with ISKP when i have time.
 

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