TR Naval Programs

[Khagan1923]

If this is true it would be incredible that the US gave permission for ESSM to be integrated into MIDLAS. As a short term solution until our own products are ready it would be greats. Especially Block 2 which is very advanced.

To add to this, this would also mean Barbaros Frigates will be equipped with ESSM Block 2 most likely which should add to its lethality combined with the MLU.

 

[Combat-Master]

If this is true it would be incredible that the US gave permission for ESSM to be integrated into MIDLAS. As a short term solution until our own products are ready it would be greats. Especially Block 2 which is very advanced.

It's one consortium that US hasn't been able to kick Turkey out of, yet..

 

[Saithan]

How many STM500 will be delivered to the navy?

I don't think we know. Atm the speculation is who the customer is. I just thought that STM500 could be very handy in the persian gulf. Could that be one of the reason UAE is paying a visit ?

 

[Combat-Master]

I don't think we know. Atm the speculation is who the customer is. I just thought that STM500 could be very handy in the persian gulf. Could that be one of the reason UAE is paying a visit ?

I don't think that would be a wise move on our part, given such close relationship between UAE and Greece. We still need to pay UAE a good slap for it's behaviour in Libya, of course at a time and place of our choosing

 

[Anmdt]

Now one of the reputable Twitter posters is saying that it may be a Black Sea customer...

I won't be surprised if TN gets 6-8 of these as well. They have been once interested in 300 and 500 tons designs by Germans and evaluated it to conclude negatively.

Technically this design is tailored by people who worked on mini subs in the earlier days (90s-00s). Li-ion just revived the design to a better state.

 

[Khagan1923]

I won't be surprised if TN gets 6-8 of these as well. They have been once interested in 300 and 500 tons designs by Germans and evaluated it to conclude negatively.

Technically this design is tailored by people who worked on mini subs in the earlier days (90s-00s). Li-ion just revived the design to a better state.

Hope they are. Subs of this size would be very useful in the Aegan Sea and around Cyprus.

 

[Oublious]

I don't think we know. Atm the speculation is who the customer is. I just thought that STM500 could be very handy in the persian gulf. Could that be one of the reason UAE is paying a visit ?

Then they should stop the project, you are not selling them strategic weapon like this.

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460229245536505870

Who is anmdt after all, just a peasant . Ibrahim Sunnetci's information about deliveries of the Reis class.

Translation:
The delays on deliveries are linked to covid and export licenses, and related to only some parts. There is no open embargo or there isn't any major delays in the progress.

Thats what we talked about, last time.

 

[Huelague]

Hope they are. Subs of this size would be very useful in the Aegan Sea and around Cyprus.

Equiped with carvitation torpedo.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460322263526428681

Interesting.

So export licenses were able to obtained

 

[Tsenal]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460322263526428681

Interesting.

So export licenses were able to obtained

Disappointing news. They pretty much acknowledged that Gökdeniz is inferior to Phalanx. I hope MKE's CIWS can match the Phalanx.

 

[Spook]

Disappointing news. They pretty much acknowledged that Gökdeniz is inferior to Phalanx. I hope MKE's CIWS can match the Phalanx.

They work with different concept. It does not mean it is inferior. Reasons for the possible switch is likely technical, modernization was initially planned with 2 Phalanx.

 

[Saithan]

Still I’d like to point out that German Oerlikon can say their 30mm millennium is installed and ready to be used. Which means a lot when you want to export stuff.

 

[Blank1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460193452247990277

 

[BaburKhan]

How long they can stay submerged only Lithium-Ion Batteries ?

 

[BaburKhan]

Personally I don't see the point of buying a submarine smaller than Type VIIB unless you're starved for cash. Ukraine fits the bill.

We need more because of the Conflict on Cyprus, the larger Submarines should b e used there and Aegean is well suited for smaller Submarines.

 

[Anmdt]

Still I’d like to point out that German Oerlikon can say their 30mm millennium is installed and ready to be used. Which means a lot when you want to export stuff.

Gokdeniz is ready too, and better than millenium gun in some terms, and on par with the rest.

Disappointing news. They pretty much acknowledged that Gökdeniz is inferior to Phalanx. I hope MKE's CIWS can match the Phalanx.

In fact T.N likes Gokdeniz, may sound strange but things are a bit fishy now and can be related to the need of cash vs purchase with credits. I don't want to think this is the case.
The project goes on with Gokdeniz (in details and doesn't seem like it will change) eventhough a green light has been received, this indicates a tendency by T.N. Technically it is included in the budget even before than the embargoes instead of Phalanx.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Short summary for warship and submarine programs

• Fast assault boat design phase will be completed in 2022
• Tf2000 design phase will be completed in 2022
• Barbaros-MLU starts. First ship is TCG OruçReis
• Milden submarine design phase will be completed in 2023
• STM-500 mini submarine construction will start in 2022
• First I class with Cenk-S 3D AESA radar and 16cell MIDLAS VLS with Hisar+ESSM missiles will be delivered to Navy in 2023.
• Aselsan-Sefine USV ships will be ready in 2022

 

[Tornadoss]

Short summary for warship and submarine programs

• First I class with Cenk-S 3D AESA radar and 16cell MIDLAS VLS with Hisar+ESSM missiles will be delivered to Navy in 2023.

So, does that mean G-40 won't be ready until that time?

 

[Saithan]

Short summary for warship and submarine programs

• Fast assault boat design phase will be completed in 2022
• Tf2000 design phase will be completed in 2022
• Barbaros-MLU starts. First ship is TCG OruçReis
• Milden submarine design phase will be completed in 2023
• STM-500 mini submarine construction will start in 2022
• First I class with Cenk-S 3D AESA radar and 16cell MIDLAS VLS with Hisar+ESSM missiles will be delivered to Navy in 2023.
• Aselsan-Sefine USV ships will be ready in 2022

I was thinking, how necessary is it to keep working on design of FAC, OPV and Corvettes ?

I understand the need to adapt to new threats and optimize design/construction.

But at the end of the day if a Vessel is multipurpose (or not) and is 20-30 year old design, it would still function and do it's duty today.

We're saying Milgem Ada class is old design and such (early 90's to 2006), but can anyone deny that it would do what it was meant for flawlessly ? The same could be said about older designs and such of lesser tonnage.