Greece Analysis Greek Rafale Vs Turkish S400

[Akritas]

Is Russia’s S400 powerful enough to counter Rafale jet?
How easy would it be for Turkey's S-400 system to down the 24 French Rafale jets that Greece will soon be operated?

One S-400 battery consists of a long-range radar, a command post vehicle, target acquisition radar and two battalions of launchers with each launcher having four tubes.
The Rafale can out-range the S-400 with Storm Shadows, so it has a tool to deal with stuff like that, and the S-400 will have no chance to retaliate. Also the outstanding capability of SPECTRA regarding airborne threat localisation is one of the keys of the Rafale’s superior situational awareness and it provides a multi-spectral threat warning capability against hostile radars, missiles and lasers.

Here is a interesting video....

 

[Akritas]

Few words as regards SPECTRA.......
Is a system of self-defense and electronic warfare system, so it can protect the aircraft from enemy interference as well as enemy entrapment from enemy radar.
Second, if an enemy aircraft tries to trap the Rafale, the jet can break the lock on the enemy aircraft. The result is that the enemy can not fire weapons against the Rafale.
Third, SPECTRA, as an electronic warfare system, it has a high ability to intervene against anti-aircraft systems such as the Turkish S-400.
So, SPECTRA, is designed to protect the aircraft against radar frequency (RF) and infrared (IR) threats, principally those from radars, and RF/IR-guided air-to-air/surface-to-air missiles (SAMs/AAMs).

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Few words as regards SPECTRA.......
Is a system of self-defense and electronic warfare system, so it can protect the aircraft from enemy interference as well as enemy entrapment from enemy radar.
Second, if an enemy aircraft tries to trap the Rafale, the jet can break the lock on the enemy aircraft. The result is that the enemy can not fire weapons against the Rafale.
Third, SPECTRA, as an electronic warfare system, it has a high ability to intervene against anti-aircraft systems such as the Turkish S-400.
So, SPECTRA, is designed to protect the aircraft against radar frequency (RF) and infrared (IR) threats, principally those from radars, and RF/IR-guided air-to-air/surface-to-air missiles (SAMs/AAMs).

Every object that can be detected by radars is a open target. Self-protection sensors never guarantee complete protection.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

By the way, the S400 has an incredible range advantage unlike any other NATO system. This system will have an incredible disruptive effect when used as part of the layered umbrella in the Turkish network concept.
In the stand alone concept, the range where S400 can be most effective due to obstacles caused by the terrain profile will only be between 100-150 km.

 

[Akritas]

Every object that can be detected by radars is a open target. Self-protection sensors never guarantee complete protection.

This is the core issue: rafale with the spectra is as invisible and can detect easily the S-400 radar.

 

[Oublious]

lol....

When you use EW means you are detected , you can not break a radar lock even the F35 can not break it. You need to escape and that is to dive above landscape. If you are against a country like Turkey with his state of the art EW/ECm systems you will not have much to bring on it.

Beside that you will face EIRS radar.

All that will work with network....

 

[Gary]

The best way to bring down another aircraft is with another aircraft. S-400 as well as all SAM system has their use in conjunction with fighter jets to inflict maximal losses for any attackers.

 

[500]

SCALP will do the job.

 

[Akritas]

By the way, the S400 has an incredible range advantage unlike any other NATO system. This system will have an incredible disruptive effect when used as part of the layered umbrella in the Turkish network concept.
In the stand alone concept, the range where S400 can be most effective due to obstacles caused by the terrain profile will only be between 100-150 km.

That mean that is easy target for SCALP-EG or AASM-HAMMER. Attacks on S-400 fighter from jets, designed to be carried out at low altitudes, make it vulnerable. At the same time, they dramatically increase the chances of the attacker surviving.
Hellenic Air Force will be called upon to locate and destroy S-400s on Turkish soil, that for training crews to conduct low-altitude penetration missions into enemy airspace 24 hours a day

 

[Akritas]

If you are against a country like Turkey with his state of the art EW/ECm systems you will not have much to bring on it.

This state of art where was when Rafale attacks on Turkish targets in al-Watiya airbase including the Hawk missile batteries and radars ?
Rafale is a unique EW/ECm aircraft.

 

[Oublious]

This state of art where was when Rafale attacks on Turkish targets in al-Watiya airbase including the Hawk missile batteries and radars ?
Rafale is a unique EW/ECm aircraft.

Hawk missiles are more then 30 years old, older then the s300. Beside that it was only a one battery. You are happy of because of that. When a war breaks out between the 2 countries, looks like Greece only weapon is Rafeal .

You are coming with basic scenario, a fighter is going on low low flight profile. Bu we have AWACS in the sky. You are comparing things with out logics, you are fighting a regional power with more weapons then you ever will see. We will UAV with radar flyng 24 hours, and we will have a lot of them,stealth UAV for recon missions.

You are coming from 20 years behind us.

Good luck.

 

[Akritas]

Hawk missiles are more then 30 years old, older then the s300. Beside that it was only a one battery. You are happy of because of that. When a war breaks out between the 2 countries, looks like Greece only weapon is Rafeal .

You are coming with basic scenario, a fighter is going on low low flight profile. Bu we have AWACS in the sky. You are comparing things with out logics, you are fighting a regional power with more weapons then you ever will see. We will UAV with radar flyng 24 hours, and we will have a lot of them,stealth UAV for recon missions.

You are coming from 20 years behind us.

Good luck.

In al-Watiya airbase was not only Hawk Radar but also two others radars.
As regards for the rest, I do not care at all what you think that you are as a state or...power, after all your arrogance is a good sign of defeat at the battlefield.

 

[Quasar]

ok forget about S 400. Lets take the picture of What a Greek rafale WILL be faceing in the batlefield. From peace eagle AEW-C to Aselsan EIRS to KALKAN from İ class frigates to modernazied meko class frigates which can share target data with any air defence battery HİSAR O+(RF OR IIR) & SİPER Block 1 or Turkish F 16 flying side by side with MIUS and AKINCI as wingsman with home made A2A missiles!! JAM THIS !

 

[Oublious]

In al-Watiya airbase was not only Hawk Radar but also two others radars.
As regards for the rest, I do not care at all what you think that you are as a state or...power, after all your arrogance is a good sign of defeat at the battlefield.

This is spartaaaaaa....

lol

 

[Cabatli_TR]

That mean that is easy target for SCALP-EG or AASM-HAMMER. Attacks on S-400 fighter from jets, designed to be carried out at low altitudes, make it vulnerable. At the same time, they dramatically increase the chances of the attacker surviving.
Hellenic Air Force will be called upon to locate and destroy S-400s on Turkish soil, that for training crews to conduct low-altitude penetration missions into enemy airspace 24 hours a day

If we are talking about an air defense umbrella layered in a very advanced network, it should be known that no system is an easy target. In order to hit these batteries with Scalp missile, you must first know where they are. To find their location, you have to penetrate Turkish airspace. In order to approach this airspace, you need to hide from land-based long and low altitude AESA and passive radars, AEWC aircraft. I haven't even mentioned more than 200 aircrafts with BVR missiles or drones deployed to protect airspace. Once you are caught, you will have to flee to 400km from the location where SAMs are located, because the layered missiles are positioned from 400km to 8km in Turkish concept and are operated by a command and control system supported by truly artificial intelligence algorithms. In other words, you should not confuse approaching Turkish airspace with approaching a 40 year old air defense missile in the desert of Africa.

Considering that the most modern warplanes of Israel which entered the Syrian airspace, were shot down by the ancient S200s, you can understand more clearly how dangerous the operation I am talking about is.

 

[Akritas]

This is spartaaaaaa....

lol

Just Rafale.....
Let me remind you the event.......

In Libya, Turkey has deployed a formidable array of air defense systems in the country’s West and has also made significant headway in establishing an “air defense bubble” around Tripoli. The combination of medium-range U.S.-made MIM-23 Hawk missile systems, Hisar short-range SAMs, and Korkut antiaircraft guns created a layered defense over critical infrastructure and reduced the threat to GNA drone ground stations and launch operations.

On July 5 of 2020, aircrafts of “unknown origin” (everybdy knows that were Rafale) conducted nine pinpoint airstrikes on the Turkish-operated Al-Watiya Air Base in western Libya.

 

[Oublious]

Just Rafale.....
Let me remind you the event.......

In Libya, Turkey has deployed a formidable array of air defense systems in the country’s West and has also made significant headway in establishing an “air defense bubble” around Tripoli. The combination of medium-range U.S.-made MIM-23 Hawk missile systems, Hisar short-range SAMs, and Korkut antiaircraft guns created a layered defense over critical infrastructure and reduced the threat to GNA drone ground stations and launch operations.

On July 5 of 2020, aircrafts of “unknown origin” (everybdy knows that were Rafale) conducted nine pinpoint airstrikes on the Turkish-operated Al-Watiya Air Base in western Libya.

Hisar never went go to Libya, Korkut indeed. If you cal Hawk formidable air defence why are ther not other country then Turkey left using it?


I am not going further, i will stop her. I will leave you in your world.


thank you...

 

[Akritas]

...........you will have to flee to 400km from the location where SAMs are located, .......

400 Km?
The effective range of the S-400 system is reportedly quite impressive (if one is to believe Russian claims), but is limited by the curvature of the earth and can’t penetrate Turkey’s mountainous geography.
So in my opinion 150 km will be the effective range but as mention here Hellenic Air Force will be called upon to locate and destroy S-400s on Turkish soil, that for training crews to conduct low-altitude penetration missions into enemy airspace 24 hours a day.
Please see the attachment.

 

[Akritas]

Hisar never went go to Libya, Korkut indeed. If you cal Hawk formidable air defence why are ther not other country then Turkey left using it?


I am not going further, i will stop her. I will leave you in your world.


thank you...

Yes, it deployed......

Turkey Is Deploying Lots Of Air Defense Systems In Syria And Libya

Turkey is deploying an increasing number of air defense missile systems in both Syria and Libya in recent months.

www.forbes.com

Peace hopes growing to end long-running civil war | Times Aerospace

Vulnerable: The Wing Loong II unmanned combat air vehicle, operated by the UAE on behalf of the LNA, played a major role in ops until the Turkish changed tactics and started to shoot them down. Picture: Alan Warnes. Since Libya’s deposed leader, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, was killed in 2011, the...

www.timesaerospace.aero

Actually in 13 April 2020 shut down a Mi-35 Helicopter

Turkish HISAR ADS Shot Down Russia-made Mi-35 Helicopter in Libya

BEIRUT, LEBANON (GDC) – The Turkish HISAR air defense system shot down a Mi-35 helicopter – all those on board died, learned GDC quoting Russian news agency Avia.Pro. A Turkish ai…

www.globaldefensecorp.com

 

[Rodeo]

That mean that is easy target for SCALP-EG or AASM-HAMMER. Attacks on S-400 fighter from jets, designed to be carried out at low altitudes, make it vulnerable. At the same time, they dramatically increase the chances of the attacker surviving.
Hellenic Air Force will be called upon to locate and destroy S-400s on Turkish soil, that for training crews to conduct low-altitude penetration missions into enemy airspace 24 hours a day

I agree that a competent, advanced airforce has an inherent advantage over stationary targets no matter how advance the SAM system is. But Greece destroying a Turkish SAM system would be a very foolish move unless they're in an all-out war. Because after that Greece would very quickly run out of runways to fly her few Rafale jets from. IMHO, Greece should think of her Armed Forces as a deterrent force not as an offensive force.