US Resolution condemning Turkey’s aggression towards Cyprus

[Ardabas34]

@Akritas

I want to ask you a serious question.

Many analysts in Turkey think that people around us; namely Greeks and Armenians... they see USA as "THE" state.

Like they have so immense political power that even in such an isolated place like Caucasus or whatever, USA always says the final word.

It is like you sometimes...not sometimes, always forget that USA is just another country.
Sure it is where we all buy our fighter jets from-for now- and it has immense economical and influence power but...at the end of the day they are just another country just like Turkey and Greece.

Armenians think somehow something will kick off after they "recognise the genocide", Greeks think tables will turn when they condemn Turkey etc.

It is not even the same US in the 90s when it was the only unopposed superpower. USA that has been producing %50 of everything on earth in 90s today prosuce %15 of everything.

We live and we will live in a more multipolar world with the rise of China, Russia, India etc.

This multipolar conjuncture will increase the importance of regional powers like Turkey.
All the Balkans, Middle East, Caucasus, East Mediterranian and even some North African and East African countries like Somalia, Libya, Algeria, Tunis are our hinterland.

Turkey is exporting soft power all the way from South Asia to South America while also quickly making her defense industry self sufficient.

Greece on the other hand is a country that sold the future of her grandchildren to German bankers. A country that gave up her industrialization efforts as is right in the middle of neoliberalist claw.

I mean this kind of was the case since it was founded in 1821. Modern Greece was founded by the imperialists as front against Turkey.

I really wonder by 2050, 2040 or heck 2030 what will you do?


Now for the Cyprus. Turkey constantly settles mainlander Turks. Since it is North Cyprus administration itself that holds the records even if you some day magically "liberate", how are you going know who is mainlander and who is Cypriot?
Not to mention all those that mixed with local population and established families.
It has been 50 years. 50 years!

 

[Huelague]

So you think Turkey could go to war with Russia in the South Caucasus, Syria in the South, Greek in the Aegean at the same time? As you know there is a difference between a UDR (Ulster Defence Regiment) and the regular British army. The UDR were like Gendarmerie and could control internal operations, however they couldn't move around and be deployed like regular troops. In the case of the Caucasus you need offensive deploy-able forces, with armour and logistical support, air support. Specific training and operational experience within the office corps and so on.

If I look at Turkey right now, I see a rising regional power, getting used to its new position and trying to understand how to uses its power. Its being pulled in many different directions all at once and is a reactive power, not yet in control of its own sphere. But firmly in control over its own territory and internal politics. You have a strong ruling class, a strengthening culture and are trying to project that into overall geo-strategic security and control.

If I was Turkey there are three area's that are vital, the Northern Corridor basically Iraq and Syria, gaining a stable northern corridor is vital for Turkey, as that instability bleeds into internal Turkish security and politics, with the Kurds. Turkey has started moving into the North Corridor, but it has somewhat been blocked by the Russians and it also doesn't have a grand vision for the region to its south. As moving into that area means coming into conflict with Iran/Israel and Saudi, and as of right now Russia. Turkey needs to become the peace maker in the region. Flip Damascus and Baghdad from Iran and Russia and towards Turkey. For me right now this is the most important area for Turkey.

Then the South Caucasus, which is all about blocking Russian expansion from the North Caucasus. You did a good job defeating Armenia with your ally, but you need to get the Russians out and that conflict just further entrenched the Russian position. You can either counter-balance Russian actions with your own actions in the North Caucasus, but that's a risky position. Or you come to a compromise with the Russians, you know the compromise won't last, but it gives you time to strengthen local actors and strengthen your own position. Like the pipeline from the Caspian sea.

In the third area, the Aegean sea, your are hemmed in by Greece/France/Italy/US, so I would suggest a short navel victory over Greece and then a compromise on the boundaries, mineral resources and other issues with Greece. You want to show your economic and military superiority, with also showing your cultural and geo-political awareness of your own position. You will be a fair great power in the region, not a bully. Only after that can Turkey really turn to Cyprus which is the big fish in the eastern med. A key thing on Cyprus is getting the British bases off the islands, with that you can't blockade it or take it or ally in real positive and negative pressure to the local actors and government.

Once you have integrated Cyprus into Turkey, settled things in the North Corridor, South Caucasus, Aegean. Then you can start becoming more of a aggressive power and throwing your weight around, telling Israel what to do, moving into the Balkans and North Africa. After which the North Caucasus, Carpathian mountains and Black sea all come into play. And only after all this is Turkey geo-political and geo-strategically secured within its initial and wider sphere.

That’s not the point. We can of course fight on two fronts. Russia is in a different level. That we can not win against USA, doesn’t mean we are not able to fight even in a one front war.

 

[Akritas]

@Akritas

I want to ask you a serious question.

Many analysts in Turkey think that people around us; namely Greeks and Armenians... they see USA as "THE" state.

Like they have so immense political power that even in such an isolated place like Caucasus or whatever, USA always says the final word.

It is like you sometimes...not sometimes, always forget that USA is just another country.
Sure it is where we all buy our fighter jets from-for now- and it has immense economical and influence power but...at the end of the day they are just another country just like Turkey and Greece.

Armenians think somehow something will kick off after they "recognise the genocide", Greeks think tables will turn when they condemn Turkey etc.

It is not even the same US in the 90s when it was the only unopposed superpower. USA that has been producing %50 of everything on earth in 90s today prosuce %15 of everything.

We live and we will live in a more multipolar world with the rise of China, Russia, India etc.

This multipolar conjuncture will increase the importance of regional powers like Turkey.
All the Balkans, Middle East, Caucasus, East Mediterranian and even some North African and East African countries like Somalia, Libya, Algeria, Tunis are our hinterland.

Turkey is exporting soft power all the way from South Asia to South America while also quickly making her defense industry self sufficient.

Greece on the other hand is a country that sold the future of her grandchildren to German bankers. A country that gave up her industrialization efforts as is right in the middle of neoliberalist claw.

I mean this kind of was the case since it was founded in 1821. Modern Greece was founded by the imperialists as front against Turkey.

I really wonder by 2050, 2040 or heck 2030 what will you do?


Now for the Cyprus. Turkey constantly settles mainlander Turks. Since it is North Cyprus administration itself that holds the records even if you some day magically "liberate", how are you going know who is mainlander and who is Cypriot?
Not to mention all those that mixed with local population and established families.
It has been 50 years. 50 years!

This is not question but a combination of prediction and statement.
First, everything you said about Turkey did not save it from the current great economic crisis. Did you expect Turkey to go through such a great economic crisis?
Personally, I did not expect Greece to go through such a great economic adventure in 2009 as that of the decade of 2010. So I can't make predictions what will happen after 30-50 years!!!
Of course Greece has many challenges in this globolized world, at the present: a neighbor a state which sees itself as the dominant power in the region, economy, immigration, demographics, climate, bureaucratic obstacles e.tc.
Greece must continue to be the reconciliation of its international responsibility with deeply entrenched national security interests and convictions.

As regards the settlers is one of the main reasons that Greek Cypriots overwhelmingly rejected the 2004 Annan Plan was that the plan allowed settlers to remain in Cyprus, and even allowed them to vote in the referendum for the proposed solution!!!
Cyprus is clear on that: removal of settlers, or at least the greater part of them.

 

[Ardabas34]

This is not question but a combination of prediction and statement.
First, everything you said about Turkey did not save it from the current great economic crisis. Did you expect Turkey to go through such a great economic crisis?
Personally, I did not expect Greece to go through such a great economic adventure in 2009 as that of the decade of 2010. So I can't make predictions what will happen after 30-50 years!!!
Of course Greece has many challenges in this globolized world, at the present: a neighbor a state which sees itself as the dominant power in the region, economy, immigration, demographics, climate, bureaucratic obstacles e.tc.
Greece must continue to be the reconciliation of its international responsibility with deeply entrenched national security interests and convictions.

As regards the settlers is one of the main reasons that Greek Cypriots overwhelmingly rejected the 2004 Annan Plan was that the plan allowed settlers to remain in Cyprus, and even allowed them to vote in the referendum for the proposed solution!!!
Cyprus is clear on that: removal of settlers, or at least the greater part of them.

You cant differ settlers from others after 50 years. It is impossible. Based on what data will you do that anyway? South Cyprus hasnt been ruling there for 50 years.
You need to face some realities. Settlers are an indisputable fact of North Cyprus now, drink a glass of water over it.

That Annan plan was the most realistic scenario that favored you but being the maximalists you are, you even claimed it serving Turkish interests. Erdogan came to power with the support of EU and US and completely diregarded national interests at least until 2013-2015 when he had to change his alliances. Thats why before that Turkey agreed to Annan plan.

You Greeks really missed the last train due to your maximalism.

Annan plan by no means favored Turkey. Turkeys best interests have always been in the status quo. We like our military bases there. Even recognition could eventually make North Cyprus less dependent on Turkey. Right now is the perfection for us.

 

[Akritas]

Annan plan by no means favored Turkey. Turkeys best interests have always been in the status quo. We like our military bases there. Even recognition could eventually make North Cyprus less dependent on Turkey. Right now is the perfection for us.

Annan plan was designed to placate / reassure Turkey, confirming Thucydides’ axiom that might is right in international relations.
They opposed the plan for the following reasons:

• The cost of economic reunification would be borne by the Greek Cypriots.
• Incompatibility with EU minority protection laws : Greek Cypriots wishing to return to their home towns/villages, wouldn’t be allowed to vote, Currently Turkish Cypriots can vote in the south.
• Confiscated Greek Cypriot properties in the North not settled appropriately.
• Issue of the Turkish settlers who represent the de facto majority in the North not addressed. Their presence is illegal, they are not Turkish Cypriots and are nevertheless allowed to vote.
• Removal of the Turkish military: most Cypriots want their island fully demilitarised, that's why agreed το the decommissioning of the Cyprish military.
• The Turkish Cypriot constituent state, would have been integrated to Turkey making the United Cyprus Republic (UCR) answerable to Turkey.
• Turkey was granted rights to interfere with the Treaty between Egypt and the Republic of Cyprus on the delimitation of the Exclusive Economic Zone. Cyprus' rights to its Continental Shelf in the south would have also been answerable to Turkey.

Would someone like Erdogan accept it? Can you imagine what would happen in a situation where Turkish and Greek Cypriots take decisions which oppose his policies?

 

[Manomed]

Annan plan was designed to placate / reassure Turkey, confirming Thucydides’ axiom that might is right in international relations.
They opposed the plan for the following reasons:

• The cost of economic reunification would be borne by the Greek Cypriots.
• Incompatibility with EU minority protection laws : Greek Cypriots wishing to return to their home towns/villages, wouldn’t be allowed to vote, Currently Turkish Cypriots can vote in the south.
• Confiscated Greek Cypriot properties in the North not settled appropriately.
• Issue of the Turkish settlers who represent the de facto majority in the North not addressed. Their presence is illegal, they are not Turkish Cypriots and are nevertheless allowed to vote.
• Removal of the Turkish military: most Cypriots want their island fully demilitarised, that's why agreed το the decommissioning of the Cyprish military.
• The Turkish Cypriot constituent state, would have been integrated to Turkey making the United Cyprus Republic (UCR) answerable to Turkey.
• Turkey was granted rights to interfere with the Treaty between Egypt and the Republic of Cyprus on the delimitation of the Exclusive Economic Zone. Cyprus' rights to its Continental Shelf in the south would have also been answerable to Turkey.

Would someone like Erdogan accept it? Can you imagine what would happen in a situation where Turkish and Greek Cypriots take decisions which oppose his policies?

Not erdogan but no Turkish President would accept this

I think you burned your head thinking about erdogan all the time No turkish president liked Greece nor their stance Is this what GreeCityTimes feeding you

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

@Akritas

I want to ask you a serious question.

Many analysts in Turkey think that people around us; namely Greeks and Armenians... they see USA as "THE" state.

Like they have so immense political power that even in such an isolated place like Caucasus or whatever, USA always says the final word.

It is like you sometimes...not sometimes, always forget that USA is just another country.
Sure it is where we all buy our fighter jets from-for now- and it has immense economical and influence power but...at the end of the day they are just another country just like Turkey and Greece.

Armenians think somehow something will kick off after they "recognise the genocide", Greeks think tables will turn when they condemn Turkey etc.

It is not even the same US in the 90s when it was the only unopposed superpower. USA that has been producing %50 of everything on earth in 90s today prosuce %15 of everything.

We live and we will live in a more multipolar world with the rise of China, Russia, India etc.

This multipolar conjuncture will increase the importance of regional powers like Turkey.
All the Balkans, Middle East, Caucasus, East Mediterranian and even some North African and East African countries like Somalia, Libya, Algeria, Tunis are our hinterland.

Turkey is exporting soft power all the way from South Asia to South America while also quickly making her defense industry self sufficient.

Greece on the other hand is a country that sold the future of her grandchildren to German bankers. A country that gave up her industrialization efforts as is right in the middle of neoliberalist claw.

I mean this kind of was the case since it was founded in 1821. Modern Greece was founded by the imperialists as front against Turkey.

I really wonder by 2050, 2040 or heck 2030 what will you do?


Now for the Cyprus. Turkey constantly settles mainlander Turks. Since it is North Cyprus administration itself that holds the records even if you some day magically "liberate", how are you going know who is mainlander and who is Cypriot?
Not to mention all those that mixed with local population and established families.
It has been 50 years. 50 years!

MENA neighbors of Turkey must show more support for Turkey when it is attacked by Greece and its EU and US allies.

I Gotta tell the truth, Arabs are too coward to show support for their Muslim neighbor Turkey when it needs it.
Arabs have no backbone and they just like kissing up to their masters Israel and the West.

 

[Akritas]

Not erdogan but no Turkish President would accept this

I think you burned your head thinking about erdogan all the time No turkish president liked Greece nor their stance Is this what GreeCityTimes feeding you

You are wrong, Greece and Greeks know very well that Kemalists(CHP), Islamists(AKP), Faschists(MHP, İYİ) are one and the same. Whoever is in power, Turkish foreign policy remains the same :expansionism, redemptionism and aggressive nationalism

 

[Manomed]

You are wrong, Greece and Greeks know very well that Kemalists(CHP), Islamists(AKP), Faschists(MHP, İYİ) are one and the same. Whoever is in power, Turkish foreign policy remains the same :expansionism, redemptionism and aggressive nationalism

We ain't the ones screaming lets Take back Istanbul and Anatolia DD You whole History is crying like this

 

[Akritas]

MENA neighbors of Turkey must show more support for Turkey when it is attacked by Greece.....

Where exactly is Greece attacking?

 

[Domobran7]

Let me get it strait: the recent electoral defeat and retirement of the moderate Turkish-Cypriot Mustafa Akinci, and his replacement by the far nationalist Ersin Tatar, who operates as an extension of the authoritarian Turkish government in Cyprus and insists on a two-state solution, any well-intentioned effort to reach an agreement is an uphill effort.
As you said, the only thing that you collected are convictions from countries and international organizations such as e.g. the UN.
The only that benefited from the divided island is UK and Turkey. The rest of the world wants a democratic, functional, federal Republic of Cyprus, free of foreign interventions.

Look, every significant power, or a country playing at being a significant power, benefits from there being confusion on Cyprus. This includes the USA. Democracy is a sham, always has been.

 

[Huelague]

US should condemning aggression towards the whole world by themselves!​