Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Parry Brima]

Well according to Max Defense, USA can only allow Philippine to get cheap second hand F 16 if Pinoy buy new F 16 V, so it should be in combined. Indonesia will not have difficulty to do that with 1.1 billion USD foreign loan approval from FM already

They'd accept if we only buy like 2-3 new Vipers and make the rest (30+) from the boneyards? I highly doubt it.

$1.1 bil is not much. It's only worth about one squadron of new Vipers.

If we want to combine new+second hand jets with only $1.1 bil, the one that gives us the most in terms of numbers would probably be the SHornets. Superhornets block III is cheaper than Vipers and there are plenty of second hand SHornets everywhere.

 

[NEKO]

Is this $1.1 bil (approved) come from budget for SU-35?

 

[Umigami]

08 try to get more fund for Rafale right?
(Outside of this 1.1 billion)

So if the results is below what he expected (which most probably will). Just buy new Viper with it. And if possible Strike Eagle MLU too.

 

[R4duga]

https://www.facebook.com/www.IMIIndonesia/posts/3143184765805112

 

[Parry Brima]

The latest statement from US Dept. of State :

"We support Indonesia’s strong efforts to safeguard its maritime rights and stand up to PRC aggression in the South China Sea, including in its exclusive economic zone around the Natuna Islands."

(But you're still a lousy country so we won't give you Eagle 2, never mind F-35. Dream on, looser)

The United States-Indonesia Relationship - United States Department of State

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will travel to Jakarta December 13 – 14, where he will meet with Indonesian President Joko Widodo, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, and other senior officials to reaffirm the strong U.S.-Indonesia Strategic Partnership and the importance of a free and open...

www.state.gov

 

[Umigami]

The latest statement from US Dept. of State :

"We support Indonesia’s strong efforts to safeguard its maritime rights and stand up to PRC aggression in the South China Sea, including in its exclusive economic zone around the Natuna Islands."

(But you're still a lousy country so we won't give you Eagle 2, never mind F-35. Dream on, looser)

The United States-Indonesia Relationship - United States Department of State

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will travel to Jakarta December 13 – 14, where he will meet with Indonesian President Joko Widodo, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, and other senior officials to reaffirm the strong U.S.-Indonesia Strategic Partnership and the importance of a free and open...

www.state.gov

No such part.

 

[schuimpjes]

F-15 matters.
*related to my deleted comment

 

[Gary]

6 fighters without weapons, yeah right.

 

[Lordimperator]

6 fighters without weapons, yeah right.

36 => 6, its not even a squadron

 

[Gary]

36 => 6, its not even a squadron

from 48 down to 36 and now 6 , all those fancy AESA, SPECTRA etc and at best its armament would be those sari bahari iron bombs

 

[Umigami]

6 fighters without weapons, yeah right.

He said at least it can open Dassault market in Indonesia.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471058681189994496

 

[R4duga]

more nasams to protect critical infrastructure the more merrier.

https://www.kemhan.go.id/2021/12/15...bahas-kerja-sama-sistem-pertahanan-udara.html

Defense Minister Prabowo Receives Norwegian Ambassador's Visit, Discusses Air Defense System Cooperation​

Wednesday, December 15, 2021

Jakarta – The Minister of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia Prabowo Subianto received an honorary visit from the Ambassador of the Kingdom of Norway to Indonesia H.E. Rut Kruger Giverin at the Ministry of Defense (Kemhan), Jakarta, Wednesday (15/2) where the two sides discussed a number of issues related to bilateral cooperation between the two countries in the defense sector.

At the meeting discussed the potential for increasing cooperation in the defense industry, namely the development of air defense system technology. (Humas Secretariat General of the Ministry of Defense).

Might aswell get the NASAMS 3 at this rate.

 

[Umigami]

more nasams to protect critical infrastructure the more merrier.

https://www.kemhan.go.id/2021/12/15...bahas-kerja-sama-sistem-pertahanan-udara.html

Defense Minister Prabowo Receives Norwegian Ambassador's Visit, Discusses Air Defense System Cooperation​

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Wednesday, December 15, 2021

Jakarta – The Minister of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia Prabowo Subianto received an honorary visit from the Ambassador of the Kingdom of Norway to Indonesia H.E. Rut Kruger Giverin at the Ministry of Defense (Kemhan), Jakarta, Wednesday (15/2) where the two sides discussed a number of issues related to bilateral cooperation between the two countries in the defense sector.

At the meeting discussed the potential for increasing cooperation in the defense industry, namely the development of air defense system technology. (Humas Secretariat General of the Ministry of Defense).

Might aswell get the NASAMS 3 at this rate.

More AMRAAM then

 

[keadno]

I think the F15 pilot didnt know well or to panic to counter the missile. This can be see when the pilot deploying flare instead of chaff. And please someone corret me, does it posible to do evading manouver from the missile ? And I must admit that missile is highly accurate.

No confirmation, from Saudi aothor.

Regarding maneuver for evading missile, it is possible as demonstrated by this infamous F-16 evading 6 Surface-to-air missile without counter-measures

. but, as far as I can remember regarding modern IR and Active-radar guidance, your only hope is that you don't enter it's no-escape zone and not entering it's lethal blast radius.

this is pilot reaction to the infamous F-16 dodging 6 Surface-to-air missile

and this Air force magazine about the encounters (page 62) and other unfortunate SAM related encounters.

https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Documents/2016/January%202016/0116packageq.pdf

 

[Mandala]

Excerpts.

Indonesian runway resurfaces for Dassault Rafale​

"Several times announced as close, it seems that a first order of Rafale fighter jets is on track before the end of the year in Indonesia. In any case, this is what goes back to the investigations carried out by the specialist journalist Defense Michel Cabirol of the economic site La Tribune, and which could even take place before the end of the year 2021. It would not be, this time, a major order for a quarantine device as mentioned previously, Jakarta simply does not have the resources to fund such a program. On the other hand, the 2021 budget would still have resources of the order of $ 600 million in the coffers of the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, which seems inclined to trigger a first order for 6 French planes, or even for 12 by anticipating an equivalent budget. for the year 2022."

Full article:

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[Indos]

Excerpts.

Indonesian runway resurfaces for Dassault Rafale​

"Several times announced as close, it seems that a first order of Rafale fighter jets is on track before the end of the year in Indonesia. In any case, this is what goes back to the investigations carried out by the specialist journalist Defense Michel Cabirol of the economic site La Tribune, and which could even take place before the end of the year 2021. It would not be, this time, a major order for a quarantine device as mentioned previously, Jakarta simply does not have the resources to fund such a program. On the other hand, the 2021 budget would still have resources of the order of $ 600 million in the coffers of the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, which seems inclined to trigger a first order for 6 French planes, or even for 12 by anticipating an equivalent budget. for the year 2022."

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He uses Alman Helvast video as the source

 

[Umigami]

Et si l'Indonésie commandait enfin des Rafale ?

Y aura-t-il une dernière commande en 2021 pour le Rafale. L'Indonésie pourrait enfin monter dans l'avion de combat tricolore. Suspense.

www.latribune.fr

I don't think La tribune use some random youtuber for their sources.

 

[Lordimperator]

Et si l'Indonésie commandait enfin des Rafale ?

Y aura-t-il une dernière commande en 2021 pour le Rafale. L'Indonésie pourrait enfin monter dans l'avion de combat tricolore. Suspense.

www.latribune.fr

I don't think La tribune use some random youtuber for their sources.

Mtl from the article above

And if a fifth country also bought Rafale in 2021 ... Despite the success of the combat aircraft in Greece, Egypt, Croatia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) this year, Dassault Aviation is not letting go. case in Indonesia. It is no longer a question of an order for 36 combat aircraft, or even 40 aircraft, but rather of a much more modest order, due to a lack of adequate budget that could be released by the Minister of Defense, Prabowo Subianto . We are now talking about between 6 and 12 combat aircraft, or even a little less. What still strongly interests the tricolor manufacturer, who initialed a contract in Indonesia, for at least three good reasons.

A budget line exists at the Indonesian Ministry of Defense for this acquisition over the current fiscal year - 600 million euros are mentioned, according to some sources. As much as this budget is spent on French armaments, it is estimated in France. This would also allow Dassault Aviation to step up and then put it in a strong position while awaiting a new larger order from the Indonesian Air Force. Finally, Dassault Aviation wishes to sell the Rafale in a new country after having refueled the Mirage 2000 user countries (Egypt, Qatar, India, UAE and Greece), with the obvious exception of Taiwan but also Peru.

So best case for us is 12 aircraft this year?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Et si l'Indonésie commandait enfin des Rafale ?

Y aura-t-il une dernière commande en 2021 pour le Rafale. L'Indonésie pourrait enfin monter dans l'avion de combat tricolore. Suspense.

www.latribune.fr

I don't think La tribune use some random youtuber for their sources.

Excerpts.

Indonesian runway resurfaces for Dassault Rafale​

"Several times announced as close, it seems that a first order of Rafale fighter jets is on track before the end of the year in Indonesia. In any case, this is what goes back to the investigations carried out by the specialist journalist Defense Michel Cabirol of the economic site La Tribune, and which could even take place before the end of the year 2021. It would not be, this time, a major order for a quarantine device as mentioned previously, Jakarta simply does not have the resources to fund such a program. On the other hand, the 2021 budget would still have resources of the order of $ 600 million in the coffers of the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, which seems inclined to trigger a first order for 6 French planes, or even for 12 by anticipating an equivalent budget. for the year 2022."

Full article:

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i dont know why the Dassault that push so hard to win deal. Eventhough side give some illness in payment.