You found the answer yourself, see again what you wrote.
Is it ever possible for one variable to cost 3 ( : 3)=1 billion, when you have ..... three more?
Actually the variables are 6 as I comment.
Again, 2nd source, except from the Naval as I mentioned.......
Also, apart from the RAM system, the Greek ships will differ from the French ones in that they will have all the infrastructure, wiring, installation bases, cooling systems and electricity supply, for the installation of ECM system (Electronic Counter-Measures) .
Ολοκληρώθηκε η τελετή απόθεσης τρόπιδας (keel laying) της πρώτης φρεγάτας FDI Belh@erra στο ναυπηγείου της Lorient στις ακτές του Ατλαντικού που θα ναυπηγηθεί για το γαλλικό Ναυτικό και θα λάβει το όνομα "Admiral Ronarc’h". Στην τελετή από ελληνικής πλευράς παραβρέθηκε ο Θάνος Ντόκος, Σύμβουλος Εθνι
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Your words:
"My list comes from an official announcement of the Naval Group as also and confirmed contracts.
Just to add t
he cost of the program is 3 billions euros.
This include :
- 3 ships
- Sensors and processing systems(R-ESM, C-ESM, Satcom, e.tc.)
- Armament(e.g. only the Aster 30 block 1, cost: 2 mil x 32 missiles x 3 ships = 192 mil)
- Depot(spare parts, missiles, maintenance equipment, e.tc)
- Training
- 3 or 5 years FOS(has not yet been officially clarified )
In my view,
the cost of each ship, fully equipped and armament, reaches 850 mil euros.
French FDI, that is inferior armament configuration(without RAM and 16 missiles Aster 30),
reaches 750 mil euros."
My words:
"Since the MOU cost 3 billion euros for 3 FDI HN, then this means that the cost of each ship reaches 1 billion euros. You say that without FOS, without the training of the Greek crew and without Aster 30 the cost of each frigate reaches 850 million euros! This is a rough and inaccurate way of estimating the objective cost of the ship. Without technical support, without armament and without training it is just a useless ship doing nothing. The whole package is necessary for these ships to sail, you can not remove anything from the overall package of the agreement just because you want to reduce the cost of the ship!"
Your words:
"I didnt say ...without.
I was clear....."
You try to reduce/cut the cost of each FDI HN ship depending on what you want to add each time!
You say that the cost of the frigate is 850 million euros. Wrong, according to the signed MOU is 1 billion euros for each ship, you do not "cut" the cost of the ship to get the net cost because in the end all these 3 or 6 (put as many as you want) different parameters are absolutely needed to sail each ship. Without technical support it will rot, without crew training it will hit a rock, without weapons it will be hit by an enemy ship and all of the above without the ship itself is for garbage. We do not cut the cost of a deal to lower the cost of the ship just because we bought a frigate without Sylver A-70 => Scalp Naval and without electronic countermeasure(ECM). The price is not justified for what the frigate offers, if it had even ECM then we would talk about a reasonable cost of buying a new frigate, but we are not talking about that anymore. It is a marginally good price, but it does not offer us one of the greatest weapons against enemy targets.
The cost of 3 billion euros included 4 things:
a) Ship
b) Crew training
c) Technical support(FOS, spare parts, maintenance equipment)
d) Armament(missiles, R-ESM, C-ESM, Satcom)
In parentheses i put what you put in your own categorization.
In my previous comment I wrote the following:
"The print edition of the magazine Flight and Space recently wrote that France is expected to start soon with the development of a new ECM for the French FDI (possibly the Greek FDI in the long run). The existing R-ECM (Scorpion 2) will not be installed, as officially announced, but with the aim of developing a new version to include it in the French FDI!"
ECM is not included in the € 3 billion purchase package for the FDI HN frigates.
We all know that ECM can be added to FDI HN in the future. Defense Point magazine does not say anything new.
The 420 million euros for each French ship is not comparable to the 1 billion euros for each Greek ship. Even to an ignorant person, if you tell them the cost of French and Greek FDI, he will understand that there is an over-costing of a project to the detriment of Greece. I am not saying that we would buy cheaper frigates from another country at the level of FDI, but i emphasize this to highlight the fact that a weapon system has another cost when you produce it yourself and another cost when you buy it simply as a customer. The money given to FDI could develop our industry, the creation of Greek construction / know-how of ships & subsystems. The price difference of 420 <1000 is the imprint that a state leaves when it is self-sufficient in its defense industry.
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