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The only way to reduce currency volatility is either rate hikes or for Erdo (himself) to announce that the rate cutting cycle is over. If he did announce that, then the lira may decrease to 12.7 or less to a dollar by the end of Q2

I expect inflation to be at 16-20% by the year end in the best case scenario and probably 11-14% or so before the elections; ofcourse in the best case scenario that is


Inflation at single digits is impossible IMO with the current economic program and belief
 

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To take inventory of just some of the issues at hand, we might note increasing public foreign exchange obligations, rising credit/deposit rates, the decline of net foreign exchange reserves, a rising amount of public loans swept under the carpet or ‘floated’, lagging investments in semi-refined and raw materials that will be a permanent solution to the external budget, the emergence of a gap in workforce quality causing both unemployment and job vacancies simultaneously, a lack of projects needed for an economy of scale such as business clustering, the drop in commodity prices in value per kilogram despite the increase in exports when price increases are excluded (and the reflections of this issue on the foreign trade), funding the budget via capital flow causing the net error-defying item known as the unspecified capital flow etc. Perhaps the most important element is the government constantly switching sides in policies that cause uncertainty and finally, despite praising the free market in statements, the application of a state interventionist policy implicitly.



This process started after 2018, and has created serious fault lines in 2021. 2022 will surely be a year of difficult decisions and struggles to handle the consequences of the breaks forming along these fault lines. Barring a crisis in the foreign trade and tourism sectors, it seems likely that Turkey will most likely overcome this process without any crashes, however, uncontrollable inflation and unsatisfactory dollarization rates still present the main internal threats to the economy.
 

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This is a catastrophe
Imports are soaring while Exports are lagging behind
The lira should fall back to 8.3 to a dollar if Turkey wanna see any substantial gains

 

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ISTANBUL, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Turkey's annual inflation soared to a 20-year high of 48.69% in January, data showed on Thursday, fuelled by President Tayyip Erdogan's push for unorthodox interest rate cuts and a resulting crash in the currency late last year.

Consumer prices jumped 11.1% from the previous month, the Turkish Statistical Institute (TUIK) said, eating deeply into Turks' earnings. Both measures were more than expected in a Reuters poll which forecast 9.8% monthly and 46.7% annually.


The lira weakened 44% last year as the central bank slashed interest rates by 500 basis points since September to 14%, under Erdogan's drive to prioritise credit and exports.

Partly in response to the currency turmoil, the government raised administered prices this year including for gas, electricity, road tolls and bus fares, while the monthly minimum wage was hiked 50%.

Transport-related prices soared 68.9% year-on-year, while food and drinks prices jumped 55.6%, driving inflation to its highest level in Erdogan's nearly two decades in power.


The combination of inflation and currency depreciation has rattled the big emerging market economy, upended household and corporate budgets, and deepened poverty ahead of elections scheduled for mid-2023.

Inflation should surpass 50% this month and plateau around 55% for most of 2022 before ending the year at 33%, Goldman Sachs said.

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UNRESPONSIVE LIRA

The lira dipped 0.7% to 13.58 against the dollar by 1032 GMT. It has stabilised after wild swings - from 18.4 to 10.25 - in December due in part to state market interventions and a deposit-protection scheme. read more


Turkey's dollar-denominated sovereign bonds slipped while spreads over U.S. safe haven Treasury bonds (.JPMEGDTURR) widened to 559 basis points. The cost of insuring exposure through credit default swaps edged up.

"We have a policy rate of 14% and inflation at 48%... and a government that covers for the FX gap. It's a bad cocktail for the long-term," said Ipek Ozkardeskaya, a senior analyst at Swissquote.

The lira "can only hit back as there is a serious deviation between what should be done and what is being done. But for now, I am stunned to see the lira as unresponsive to the news."

The producer price index soared 10.45% month-on-month in January for an annual rise of 93.53%, the data showed.

In an interview with Japan's Nikkei, Finance Minister Nureddin Nebati predicted inflation will remain below 50% and peak in April.

On Saturday, Erdogan replaced the head of TUIK. Opposition parties and some economists have cast some doubt on the agency's figures, claims TUIK has dismissed. Polls show Turks believe inflation is higher than official data suggests.

As expected, TUIK adjusted its basket weightings for 2022 trimming that of housing, water, electricity, gas and other fuels to 14.12% from 15.36% last year.
 

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ISTANBUL, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Turkey's annual inflation soared to a 20-year high of 48.69% in January, data showed on Thursday, fuelled by President Tayyip Erdogan's push for unorthodox interest rate cuts and a resulting crash in the currency late last year.

Consumer prices jumped 11.1% from the previous month, the Turkish Statistical Institute (TUIK) said, eating deeply into Turks' earnings. Both measures were more than expected in a Reuters poll which forecast 9.8% monthly and 46.7% annually.


The lira weakened 44% last year as the central bank slashed interest rates by 500 basis points since September to 14%, under Erdogan's drive to prioritise credit and exports.

Partly in response to the currency turmoil, the government raised administered prices this year including for gas, electricity, road tolls and bus fares, while the monthly minimum wage was hiked 50%.

Transport-related prices soared 68.9% year-on-year, while food and drinks prices jumped 55.6%, driving inflation to its highest level in Erdogan's nearly two decades in power.


The combination of inflation and currency depreciation has rattled the big emerging market economy, upended household and corporate budgets, and deepened poverty ahead of elections scheduled for mid-2023.

Inflation should surpass 50% this month and plateau around 55% for most of 2022 before ending the year at 33%, Goldman Sachs said.

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UNRESPONSIVE LIRA

The lira dipped 0.7% to 13.58 against the dollar by 1032 GMT. It has stabilised after wild swings - from 18.4 to 10.25 - in December due in part to state market interventions and a deposit-protection scheme. read more


Turkey's dollar-denominated sovereign bonds slipped while spreads over U.S. safe haven Treasury bonds (.JPMEGDTURR) widened to 559 basis points. The cost of insuring exposure through credit default swaps edged up.

"We have a policy rate of 14% and inflation at 48%... and a government that covers for the FX gap. It's a bad cocktail for the long-term," said Ipek Ozkardeskaya, a senior analyst at Swissquote.

The lira "can only hit back as there is a serious deviation between what should be done and what is being done. But for now, I am stunned to see the lira as unresponsive to the news."

The producer price index soared 10.45% month-on-month in January for an annual rise of 93.53%, the data showed.

In an interview with Japan's Nikkei, Finance Minister Nureddin Nebati predicted inflation will remain below 50% and peak in April.

On Saturday, Erdogan replaced the head of TUIK. Opposition parties and some economists have cast some doubt on the agency's figures, claims TUIK has dismissed. Polls show Turks believe inflation is higher than official data suggests.

As expected, TUIK adjusted its basket weightings for 2022 trimming that of housing, water, electricity, gas and other fuels to 14.12% from 15.36% last year.

This is really sad Erdogan ruins Turkey economy when The Fed is going to do the tapering soon. I dont know the Turkey economic situation in 2013 when taper tantrum happened, but look like current situation is worst than in 2012-2013 period.
 

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On Saturday, Erdogan replaced the head of TUIK. Opposition parties and some economists have cast some doubt on the agency's figures, claims TUIK has dismissed. Polls show Turks believe inflation is higher than official data suggests.

As expected, TUIK adjusted its basket weightings for 2022 trimming that of housing, water, electricity, gas and other fuels to 14.12% from 15.36% last year.

WTF he even replaced the statistic head because he doesnt like the number
 

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Any update ? Does the currency not depreciating anymore ?
 

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Any update ? Does the currency not depreciating anymore ?
As the economist Robin brooks once said, since the rate cutting cycle is temporary over, the lira's main source of worry is on hold. Now it is stable at around 13.5-13.6; however, to know whether this was sustainable for the week or not is by checking the reserves tomorrow

Moreover, the gold saving scheme announced by Nebati will begin on the first day of March so we will still have to wait to see if it will have an effect
 
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As the economist Robin brooks once said, since the rate cycle is temporary over, the lira's main source of worry is on hold. Now it is stable at around 13.5-13.6; however, to know whether this was sustainable for the week or not is by checking the reserves tomorrow

Moreover, the gold saving scheme announced by Nebati will begin on the first day of March so we will still have to wait to see if it will have an effect

I heard that Erdo also give incentive to people who put their money on Lira on the bank ? So basically the money will get interest more than inflation right ?
 
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I heard that Erdo also give incentive to people who put their money on Lira on the bank ? So basically the money will get interest more than inflation right ?
Yes, that is if the lira surpassed a "certain" exchange rate

For example, today you went to deposit a 500 lira account under the new scheme at an exchange rate of 1 dollar to 10 liras for a period of 3 months at an interest rate of 14%

If the exchange rate after such period of 3 months increase from 1$=10lira to 1$=20 lira, then the govt will compensate your account by adding 500 liras and then giving you the promised 14% at then end of the period


This scheme will be good for the govt to try and shore as much lira as possible and it works since the govt already obtained around 300 billion liras ever since this scheme was introduced 2 months ago. With the exchange rate "stable" for now, the govt will force ppl into lira without paying much compensation. However, if they cut rates now, the govt will go bankrupt in a matter of weeks since they will have to pay the difference for accounts worth 300 billion liras
 

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Yes, that is if the lira surpassed a "certain" exchange rate

For example, today you went to deposit a 500 lira account under the new scheme at an exchange rate of 1 dollar to 10 liras for a period of 3 months at an interest rate of 14%

If the exchange rate after such period of 3 months increase from 1$=10lira to 1$=20 lira, then the govt will compensate your account by adding 500 liras and then giving you the promised 14% at then end of the period


This scheme will be good for the govt to try and shore as much lira as possible and it works since the govt already obtained around 300 billion liras ever since this scheme was introduced 2 months ago. With the exchange rate "stable" for now, the govt will force ppl into lira without paying much compensation. However, if they cut rates now, the govt will go bankrupt in a matter of weeks since they will have to pay the difference for accounts worth 300 billion liras

Yup, sounds a good policy, I hope it works
 

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The tapering and the The Fed interest rate increase will be very challenging for any developing countries in the months to come. Not only now we face those two The Fed policies but also increase inflation every where. Despite the current inflation is originated from supply side due to higher energy and commodity prices but many Central Bank will still increase the interest rate, actually not to tame inflation but rather to preserve monetary stability.

For Turkey case, inflation is also due to the Lira depreciation
 
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