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[Joe Shearer]

Dada , don't get angry , I personally don't support either VHP or Bajrang dal , they just make more noise . Regarding Godhara neither they are first or last religious riots in India , everyone feel agitated when whole railway coach was burned and no one supports what happened after that .Modi was not the first or last CM under whose rule riots happened , Delhi riots were the prime example when the party in power organized the killings of those who belongs to a specific religion , Muzaffanagar riots were another example when the party in power turned a simple law an order complained into a religious riots ( initiated by the oppressed section ) , I can give you n number of such examples .

Sure.

Your defence seems to be 'whataboutery'. If that is all you can summon as a response to the specific failure to observe his duty on the part of one individual, so be it, so long as you recognise that your position is compromised. If we go by your argument, no homicide can be prosecuted, tried or punished, because of the large number of homicides that also occur.

Again I am saying you have all rights to hate anyone , just take car of your health . Modi will win if majority will vote for him and he will lose if majority will not vote for him

True.

Again, the issue is elsewhere.

The point is that a majority will be created that will vote for him, if thinking people do not take a stand, and do not take every opportunity to explain why what these people are doing is voodoo economics. Even if they feel unable to go out in public and meet as many as they can, they can perhaps help by not sitting on the sidelines with cynical smiles on their faces. If there is one set of people speaking to the electorate with fire and passion, and another set sitting watching the show, even as they know that what is being promoted is dead wrong, it is clear where the majority will form up.

Regarding foreign policy , I am illiterate so cant comment

Fair enough.

Near me all human lives are important and the opperesed section has some kind of expertise in showing they are the biggest victims but given an opportunity they will no think twice before following the guidelines mentioned in book to treat the Kafirs

It is sad to read this. You have already decided that it is all a game by the Muslim to hoodwink the Hindu, and wait for the opportunity to turn the tables. With that in your mind, how can you even pretend to be open-minded? You are not. You are committed and you are part of the problem, by your own sovereign desire. Nobody has forced you there.

 

[crixus]

It is sad to read this. You have already decided that it is all a game by the Muslim to hoodwink the Hindu, and wait for the opportunity to turn the tables. With that in your mind, how can you even pretend to be open-minded? You are not. You are committed and you are part of the problem, by your own sovereign desire. Nobody has forced you there.

Again I am repeating , It really pains when any innocent loses his/her life . Regarding your comments the history is full of such examples from Prithvi Raj Chauhan to direct action day.
Even recently in 1991 exodus of Pandits from valley or situation in western UP . So all these incidents happened when the followers of holy book just followed their holy book

History is best teacher , I can say better safe then politically correct . I will post my comment on rest of your response later

 

[Joe Shearer]

Again I am repeating , It really pains when any innocent loses his/her life . Regarding your comments the history is full of such examples from Prithvi Raj Chauhan to direct action day.

Not whataboutery?

Even recently in 1991 exodus of Pandits from valley

I agree, there was serious intimidation and harassment, and murders, anywhere between 600 and 1,200 of them, out of a total population of 150,000 KPs. That is a horrifying 4 to 8%.

What lesson do you draw from this? That all Muslims are culpable? Every time, everywhere?

What do you think happened at Muzaffarnagar? How is the victim now suddenly the perpetrator?

The trouble is repeating endlessly that you hate loss of life, and then citing instances where one community is, or may be, at fault gives the clear impression that you have already made up your mind, and don't want to know anything about harassment and intimidation, and physical assaults, injuries or killings of the Muslim. Is that wrong?

How, also, do you hit upon the battles between Prithviraj Chauhan and Muhammad of Ghor in this context? How does that fit into a discussion of today's problems? Is it your argument that one community, the Muslims, have systematically attacked the other? Is that even partially true? Supposing it were, would you then justify attacks on helpless Muslims in isolated situations because of the battle that happened a thousand years ago?

or situation in western UP . So all these incidents happened when the followers of holy book just followed their holy book

How do you even say that? Which part of their holy book says this?

History is best teacher , I can say better safe then politically correct . I will post my comment on rest of your response later

So far, you have displayed ignorance of the circumstances behind the three examples that you have mentioned, and demonstrated that your default position is that Muslims are at fault.

Do you have anything to contradict this, or to add to this?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Again I am repeating , It really pains when any innocent loses his/her life .

That is really nice to know, but your comments suggest the opposite.

Regarding your comments the history is full of such examples from Prithvi Raj Chauhan to direct action day.
Even recently in 1991 exodus of Pandits from valley or situation in western UP . So all these incidents happened when the followers of holy book just followed their holy book

Can you point to any part of their holy book that suggests that

1. Prithviraj Chauhan's military defeat was in any way comparable to today's intimidation and harassment of Muslims?
2. The Kashmiri Pandits were expelled for religious reasons? That they were expelled in toto, and not that they fled of their desire, and that there are still KPs living in peace in the valley?
3. The teachings of their holy book were in some way responsible for the events in western UP, events that you have not bothered to describe?

History is best teacher , I can say better safe then politically correct . I will post my comment on rest of your response later

It is, if you read it.

Your desire for safety cannot be satisfied by murder and assault on individuals of a minority.

 

[Nilgiri]

I have merged the PMIK debate gauntlet chat with the chit chat thread (somewhat ahead of schedule) as it has now coursed into deeper underlying veins (connecting to some of the earlier chat) and I'd like to keep things organised and in one place for this kind of stuff.

I will get to some points I'd like to share (in more depth) possibly a bit later

 

[Nilgiri]

I dont want to degress , but the desperation shown by Imran Khan for recognition is next level , see his itinerary for Russian two day tour :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496090800924422148

To your credit you hate our hero with passion lol , at your age such hate is not good for health

honestly who cares man.....

This world changes only when plebs stop their obsession with patricians (which is what the latter want).

Plebs must put differences behind and unite against those that wield power, instead of fall for their cheap tricks.

You cannot revel in what I give (w.r.t Pakistans power psyche) and then make some excuse/justification for grievous lapse in Indian case...

It cannot be done like that, you have to call what is good as good ....and what is bad as bad....across the board consistently.

No justification/excuse BS when it comes to one's own....it hollows what you can then say to another on it....don't you see?

What did I say about collective demonisation before?....that too when done most tenuously?

You have to simply know that most people of any group are good or neutral beings on balance (regd moral and virtue).....very few are bad.

The bad must be precisely honed in on.

You have to liberate your mind to this rather than construct an in vs out framework (by some identity esp when immutable or close to it) and fit things in selectively by emotion.

There is no room for error on this stuff in the end....to try be a moral virtuous person yourself....past all imperfection that we all have.

 

[Nilgiri]

@SirhatesALoT ....old name I recognise, welcome.

 

[SaR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435586745018380288

Supply issues of these engines

Current situation in Ukraine is problem for India

 

[SaR]

If factories are destroyed to prevent takeover. Indian Navy's main supplier is Zorya. Ships would have to be retrofitted etc. causing issues.

 

[Nilgiri]

If factories are destroyed to prevent takeover. Indian Navy's main supplier is Zorya. Ships would have to be retrofitted etc. causing issues.

Yup....but this is just one thing of a large litany of issues for India that will come up this year (and likely long term) by the RUS-UKR war that has commenced.

Consider the weak hmmmm-hawww foreign statements from India on this whole thing, which shows its relationship with Russia that it wants to keep in good enough order (given the inertia of reliance on it in a number of military domains)....that will now come under quite a sustained pressure from other geopolitical headwinds.

Then there is the far larger economic costs this war is going to inflict internationally.

Not a pretty situation....and there are already an immense amount of challenges in the pipeline and backlog found in India to begin with....

 

[crixus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496819827712868361

 

[crixus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496868863077609478

 

[Joe Shearer]

@SirhatesALoT ....old name I recognise, welcome.

This is forming up to be a clone. Welcome to Defence Hub.

 

[SirhatesALoT]

so all this for nothing i ended up in same company with different layout , totally upset

 

[Joe Shearer]

so all this for nothing i ended up in same company with different layout , totally upset

Don't just sit there, sniffling. DO something about it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yup....but this is just one thing of a large litany of issues for India that will come up this year (and likely long term) by the RUS-UKR war that has commenced.

Consider the weak hmmmm-hawww foreign statements from India on this whole thing, which shows its relationship with Russia that it wants to keep in good enough order (given the inertia of reliance on it in a number of military domains)....that will now come under quite a sustained pressure from other geopolitical headwinds.

Then there is the far larger economic costs this war is going to inflict internationally.

Not a pretty situation....and there are already an immense amount of challenges in the pipeline and backlog found in India to begin with....

My analysis of the situation in another place is rather bleak. We are really in a bad place.

 

[SirhatesALoT]

Don't just sit there, sniffling. DO something about it.

reported mods ban this guy

 

[Joe Shearer]

reported mods ban this guy

Oh dear...you are scary!

Didn't expect such a quick response.

 

[Paro]

India's Interests Lie More With Russia's Rise Than Commiserating With Ukraine

www.google.com

 

[TR_123456]

reported mods ban this guy

We want to but unfortunately we cant.
He is like Putin,one mistake by us and he'll annex the forum.