Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Lordimperator]

India is clearly at Russian side.

It would be an awkard on the same side with PRC

 

[Manomed]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505491003662381059

chaotic

 

[HTurk]

Opposition to Russia, Putin and the war is strong in Germany(and Austria). This is very likely going to be an actual turning point in relations between Germany and Russia

@Dmitry still has a point, though. Opposition to Russia is historically very little in Germany.

Two very important and fairly recent decisions shouldn't be ignored in the context of Russo-German relations:

1. The North Stream Pipeline was built by Russia thanks to an overwhelming support of almost all German parties simply ignoring and even belittling US and Ukrainian warnings. The German public had a similar stance, supporting this project with high approval ratings.

2. I would like to remind everyone that the German Social Democrats (SPD) who won the last election, hence, currently occupying the office of the chancellor, fiercely opposed Volkswagen's investment in İzmir. They were the ones blocking this project and eventually killing it off while accusing Turkey of being a dictatorship and killing 'innocent' people (read PKK terrorists) in N Syria.

Funny thing is that China is VW's largest market and the company itself has huge investments and production facilities in Russia. Hypocrites.


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Lower Saxony's Prime Minister Stephan Weil (SPD) is currently not considering the construction of a new VW plant near Izmir in view of the Turkish military offensive in Syria.

"The images that we see from northern Syria are appalling," said Weil, who also sits on the Volkswagen Supervisory Board as a representative of the major shareholder of Lower Saxony. The military offensive is an obvious breach of international law, which has triggered a huge wave of refugees and a general tightening of the security situation: "I can not imagine that Volkswagen will invest billions in Turkey under these conditions."

No Turkish VW factory "under these conditions"

Volkswagen planned a new factory in Turkey - then came Erdogans military offensive in Syria. Now the project is in the balance. Not only political reasons play a role here.

newsrnd.com

 

[Mehmed Ali]

Should send more including his own sonto

Should send more including his own son

I think that Khadirov has no son, he has his sister son, a drug addict whom I knew well. Even after studying in Oxford ( business naturally) guy could hardly speak English, a complete goof and moron

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504884142370140165

Guys what you think Cope Cage helped?

 

[tomthebotfly]

what are the moods of a simple German man in the street? Is the German society ready to accept the economic difficulties or will you covertly support Russia?

I live in Berlin, where the population is a lot younger and more left-wing than the rest of Germany so take this with a grain of salt, but this is what I hear.

Usually there is a lot of anti-war movements, pacifists around the place that campaign for further reducing military spending. Increasing military spending has been mostly a taboo in Germany for a long time. Now suddenly all of these pacifists and anti-war "activists" have gone quiet. Most people agree that Europe and Germany should seek energy independence (through renewables mostly) (again in Berlin most people are left leaning), even though this is a perspective that existed since before the war. Many people want to increase the amount of sanctions, however a) many people would like to sanction exclusively the oligarchs and not the country b) it is likely as soon as they start to feel the economic consequences in Germany they will back out immediately

It's quite funny because usually the people who support energy independence and stopping Russian gas imports are the same people who supported shutting down the nuclear power plants years ago

 

[Madokafc]

I live in Berlin, where the population is a lot younger and more left-wing than the rest of Germany so take this with a grain of salt, but this is what I hear.

Usually there is a lot of anti-war movements, pacifists around the place that campaign for further reducing military spending. Increasing military spending has been mostly a taboo in Germany for a long time. Now suddenly all of these pacifists and anti-war "activists" have gone quiet. Most people agree that Europe and Germany should seek energy independence (through renewables mostly) (again in Berlin most people are left leaning), even though this is a perspective that existed since before the war. Many people want to increase the amount of sanctions, however a) many people would like to sanction exclusively the oligarchs and not the country b) it is likely as soon as they start to feel the economic consequences in Germany they will back out immediately

It's quite funny because usually the people who support energy independence and stopping Russian gas imports are the same people who supported shutting down the nuclear power plants years ago

They are confused lot, surely. Germany should follow France to build more nuclear powerplant at this points, or bought Algeria oil and gas

 

[Dmitry]

@Dmitry still has a point, though. Opposition to Russia is historically very little in Germany.

Two very important and fairly recent decisions shouldn't be ignored in the context of Russo-German relations:

1. The North Stream Pipeline was built by Russia thanks to an overwhelming support of almost all German parties simply ignoring and even belittling US and Ukrainian warnings. The German public had a similar stance, supporting this project with high approval ratings.

2. I would like to remind everyone that the German Social Democrats (SPD) who won the last election, hence, currently occupying the office of the chancellor, fiercely opposed Volkswagen's investment in İzmir. They were the ones blocking this project and eventually killing it off while accusing Turkey of being a dictatorship and killing 'innocent' people (read PKK terrorists) in N Syria.

Funny thing is that China is VW's largest market and the company itself has huge investments and production facilities in Russia. Hypocrites.


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No Turkish VW factory "under these conditions"

Volkswagen planned a new factory in Turkey - then came Erdogans military offensive in Syria. Now the project is in the balance. Not only political reasons play a role here.

newsrnd.com

From the whole situation, I can draw the following conclusion.
In a globalized world in which all economies are mutually integrated into each other, there still remains a critical mass of violence that Western countries are not ready to accept even to the detriment of their own interests. In 2014, the occupation of Crimea and Donbas was not enough. 2022 brought this level to light.
This situation also shows that in non-Western countries this level is even higher.

 

[Dmitry]

I live in Berlin, where the population is a lot younger and more left-wing than the rest of Germany so take this with a grain of salt, but this is what I hear.

Usually there is a lot of anti-war movements, pacifists around the place that campaign for further reducing military spending. Increasing military spending has been mostly a taboo in Germany for a long time. Now suddenly all of these pacifists and anti-war "activists" have gone quiet. Most people agree that Europe and Germany should seek energy independence (through renewables mostly) (again in Berlin most people are left leaning), even though this is a perspective that existed since before the war. Many people want to increase the amount of sanctions, however a) many people would like to sanction exclusively the oligarchs and not the country b) it is likely as soon as they start to feel the economic consequences in Germany they will back out immediately

It's quite funny because usually the people who support energy independence and stopping Russian gas imports are the same people who supported shutting down the nuclear power plants years ago

I'm afraid that sanctions against the oligarchs won't do anything when the population's support for Putin is 85%. Communicating with Russians in telegram channels, I clearly see the result of many years of brainwashing: I see hatred and a desire to destroy Ukrainians in the vast majority of ordinary citizens of Russia. Moreover, they place all the blame for the complexity of the economic situation on the countries of the West and, as a result, even greater rallying around their leader, Putin, and even more hatred for Ukraine. in the destruction of Ukraine they see the solution to all their troubles

 

[Madokafc]

I'm afraid that sanctions against the oligarchs won't do anything when the population's support for Putin is 85%. Communicating with Russians in telegram channels, I clearly see the result of many years of brainwashing: I see hatred and a desire to destroy Ukrainians in the vast majority of ordinary citizens of Russia. Moreover, they place all the blame for the complexity of the economic situation on the countries of the West and, as a result, even greater rallying around their leader, Putin, and even more hatred for Ukraine. in the destruction of Ukraine they see the solution to all their troubles

Hope they are prepared sufficient number of bodybag to sent back their sons who being sent to Ukraine. But heard they are rejected several time Ukraine offer to bring back the deceased bodies of their soldier in which hundreds is still in Ukraine hands.

 

[legionairre]

I'm afraid that sanctions against the oligarchs won't do anything when the population's support for Putin is 85%. Communicating with Russians in telegram channels, I clearly see the result of many years of brainwashing: I see hatred and a desire to destroy Ukrainians in the vast majority of ordinary citizens of Russia. Moreover, they place all the blame for the complexity of the economic situation on the countries of the West and, as a result, even greater rallying around their leader, Putin, and even more hatred for Ukraine. in the destruction of Ukraine they see the solution to all their troubles

So many out here ready to buy the same story! Shame…

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505584798231900164

 

[Vergennes]

Hope they are prepared sufficient number of bodybag to sent back their sons who being sent to Ukraine. But heard they are rejected several time Ukraine offer to bring back the deceased bodies of their soldier in which hundreds is still in Ukraine hands.

Ukrainians bury them in mass graves given Russians don't care about their soldiers!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505586542810738690

 

[Huelague]

Is Wali realy dead?

 

[tomthebotfly]

Is Wali realy dead?

Wali is not dead, since according to his brigade he wasn't even in Mariupol.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505148659872288773

 

[Nilgiri]

Why didn’t they destroy or mine the rails as the first thing to Belarus. Was it to have Russia commit and then catch them with both feet in the mud ?

Ukraine at start (by most indications/analysis now) was sorely not expecting this war at all (i.e the final level of commitment to it by Putin et al.)

So they could/did not do the early logistics interdiction....and they also maybe waited to see if Russians would do early withdrawal too (after demonstration etc).

Their capacity for such (early stand off intensity) was also limited (compared to their need to hold such capacity in reserve till Russia extends own supply lines...for better optimal use as you mention...till western and allied aid replenishes and increases that).

In the map I posted earlier, I forgot to add there is a huge amount of inundated areas (flooding and soggy marsh and mud) in the Belarus-Kiev salient Russia has on their eastern flank (Dnipro river)....from dams etc ukrainians destroyed on purpose or were damaged by russian attacks too.

This makes the Russian position there even more vulnerable (to ukrainian severing, if UKR can achieve a concrete force concentration plan and execution of such plan)....as more land to maneuver is taken off the table for them.

 

[legionairre]

De-nazification claims flying all over the place, thought this was over some 75 years ago!

 

[You]

Paratroopers due to this war will delcared obsolete or their roles will be changed.

Paratroopers have never been effective troops because.

Barely any air support

Dropped into the heat of battle

Air defence systems

Usually get outnumbered and overrun

Not enough supplies

Their element of surprise is always catching enemies off guard but due to radar and thermals they can now be easily spotted.

Russian paratrooper failures basically mirror the failure of German paratroopers in ww2. Still paratroopers and their role will now be evaluated.

A good thread on why logistics is so important in war. Hopefully Turks learn a thing or two from this whole war and invest quite heavily in support units and good logistics too. Not everything in war is about weaponry and munitions and how big your army is.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505370275273183239

yes, yes logistics are very important ..a lot of people think it's a board game = Russia has much more power, assets, etc - move assets here and there--take Kiev, etc just like that . this is all wrong...it's not a board game
....the other thing is combined arms includes communication, logistics, timing,etc ....it's a system that has to work together....the squad has to work together with the platoon, platoon with the company, company with the battalion, and so on and so on......

 

[You]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377929713428131842

Mortar firing by Ukraine

Mortars have always been a very efficient weapon. I was in 81s USMC
man portable
high angle allows broad range of fire
quick to set up
platoon and company commander's '''arty'''
...my uncle was in WW2 and he never talked about it, much at all....one of the very few things he said was, the Germans were good with mortars

 

[You]

De-nazification claims flying all over the place, thought this was over some 75 years ago!

yes,...... has there been any proof of what they are talking about?