Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

Van Kravchenko

Contributor
Indonesia Correspondent
Messages
1,285
Reactions
2 872
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Yang satunya welded yang satunya armor luarnya tempelan.

Hullnya, armornya engga lah.
Secara konstruksi emang Leo 1 didedain buat nahan terjangan peluru 20mm non AP disekujur tubuhnya, cuma front armornya bahkan lebih tipid dari panther yang cuma 70mm RHA.

Makanya secara karakteristik ga beda jauh proteksinya dengan Harimau. Tinggal pengembangan doktrinnya aja yg perlu dilatih dan diterapkan kedepannya.
 

Madokafc

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
5,903
Reactions
4 10,020
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Wonder how long will it take for the container to arrive in Ukraine. A month?

Maybe two or more, remember usually commercial Cargo ships going around from port to port to deliver content to maximized their profit.


Btw

Gua heran, Iran tahun 2019-2020 GDP mereka cuma sekitar 290-320 Billion US Dollar. Sekarang jadi 1,1 trillion US Dollar. What kind of magic mushroom they had??
 

Madokafc

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
5,903
Reactions
4 10,020
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Sanksi ekonomi mereka sebagian dicabut + dapat bantuan moneter jika lanjut negosiasi perjanjian nuklir dgn Amerika. Stick & carrot trick.

Israel ngamuk2 akibat ini.


GDP dan PPP mereka ga jauh beda

Screenshot_20220413_230820.jpg


Dan ini

Screenshot_20220413_231046.jpg
 

Madokafc

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
5,903
Reactions
4 10,020
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Screenshot_20220413_231318.jpg



Hoo aslinya jauh lebih kismin daripada Pakistan
 

HellFireIndo

Committed member
Messages
284
Reactions
358
Gua heran, Iran tahun 2019-2020 GDP mereka cuma sekitar 290-320 Billion US Dollar. Sekarang jadi 1,1 trillion US Dollar. What kind of magic mushroom they had??
Data doesn't make sense
1649883018775.png

1649882924416.png


Meanwhile very sus Wikipedia data:

1649883270497.png

GDP doubled during pandemic??? 20% annual growth??

Someone messed with the data, don't believe the wikipedia entry, he deliberately used the most illogical data for this.

This is the actual data from World Bank:
1649883688989.png


It's impossible for Iran to have anything near 1 trillion USD GDP in 2022, moreover the data listed on Wikipedia listed the GDP nominal dan GDP PPP with similar value, which is impossible for a developing country's currency.
 

Attachments

  • 1649882892684.png
    1649882892684.png
    53.4 KB · Views: 65
  • 1649883249447.png
    1649883249447.png
    58.2 KB · Views: 59

Nilgiri

Experienced member
Moderator
Aviation Specialist
Messages
9,373
Reactions
107 19,051
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
India
The Iran GDP issue surfaced previously and is explained more here:

 

HellFireIndo

Committed member
Messages
284
Reactions
358
The Iran GDP issue surfaced previously and is explained more here:

We can conclude that data presenting Iran's GDP figure as anything higher than 300 billion USD is complete BS. The inconsistency alone completely negates the reliability of said data, 250 billion USD vs 1 trillion USD, coupled with the GDP growth trend, completely unbelievable.
 

Madokafc

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
5,903
Reactions
4 10,020
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
We can conclude that data presenting Iran's GDP figure as anything higher than 300 billion USD is complete BS. The inconsistency alone completely negates the reliability of said data, 250 billion USD vs 1 trillion USD, coupled with the GDP growth trend, completely unbelievable.

That's the jokes here, Iranian themselves seems believe their country are trillion US Dollar economy when everything is in shambles and doesn't reflect reality like how their car production is plummet since 2013, oil and gas export is going down, PMI data is not available since they don't have manufacturing sector in working condition
 

Nilgiri

Experienced member
Moderator
Aviation Specialist
Messages
9,373
Reactions
107 19,051
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
India
We can conclude that data presenting Iran's GDP figure as anything higher than 300 billion USD is complete BS. The inconsistency alone completely negates the reliability of said data, 250 billion USD vs 1 trillion USD, coupled with the GDP growth trend, completely unbelievable.

Yup, its faulty exchange rate application essentially.

Soviet GDP was afflicted by this a long while too. Its official exchange rate was often based on delusion (similar to quote below). GOSPLAN insularity would set it (ensuring low trade volume) at X:Y, when in reality the demand/supply pressure (to establish a fair exchange rate with world) was far different....leading to all kind of smuggling and black market stuff past the barter policy for essentials (that bypassed the crap exchange rate that no one else wanted to use).

So the asserted valuation in any other currency (USD or otherwise) means very little....as its not based on the requisite trade flow indicators.

Iran has the insularity (along with North Korea etc) for this to be quite strong phenomenon today. Russia is joining them recently now as well.

Where that stuff is accounted and corrected for (i.e look at things volumetrically trade wise and then extrapolate, rather than just blindly apply a faulty govt asserted X-rate), you essentially have a much reduced GDP estimate...that can then be used for further derived estimates like PPP (total volumetric consumption basis).

With highly insular country economies, these conversations are somewhat meaningless in end as there are not even reference points with world trade indicators.

In 2020 Iran exported around 50 billion USD (for a country rich in oil and gas).

That is part of how WB gets the "actual" exchange rate of rial to USD etc.

Because in 2011 it exported almost 150 billion USD in comparison.

With a third of export level now....(to earn and finance say import + CA level etc)....how can economy have stayed at 2011 level etc?....or even grown? It would need huge expansion of other industries and some evidence of productivity there (i.e providing it to world and competing with world references rather than just "domestic").....we simply do not have it.
 

Nilgiri

Experienced member
Moderator
Aviation Specialist
Messages
9,373
Reactions
107 19,051
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
India
That's the jokes here, Iranian themselves seems believe their country are trillion US Dollar economy when everything is in shambles and doesn't reflect reality like how their car production is plummet since 2013, oil and gas export is going down, PMI data is not available since they don't have manufacturing sector in working condition

Tomen is exchanged on real market (black market) at something like 3 or 4:1 iirc past what Iran govt sets it at officially.

Basically means official GDP is reduced by about that factor one can say for a more real/actual GDP (and world bank often uses that number compared to say IMF which just uses official conversion).
 

Madokafc

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
5,903
Reactions
4 10,020
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Tomen is exchanged on real market (black market) at something like 3 or 4:1 iirc past what Iran govt sets it at officially.

Basically means official GDP is reduced by about that factor one can say.

Gotta to say there is also several countries who like to artificially inflated their own currency against US Dollar for hedging and most of them for propaganda use....at prospect for ruining their economy by doing so

Meanwhile there is also countries like Indonesia and Japan work so hard to keep their own currency much weaker than what should be to push export and attracting foreign Investment and tourism industry
 

Philip the Arab

Contributor
Think Tank Analyst
Messages
1,333
Reactions
4 2,222
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Jordan
Heard the Army is interested with this one

Coupled with issue of they want to have something like new mobile AA gun and adding this sky knight C RAM. Army would have protected their column from some threat including Missiles, mortar/artillery munition and Loitering munition along with UAV..
It will be the best defense against loitering muntion, and saturation attacks.

Composition of the Skyknight is 4 launchers with 60 missiles each launcher. 20 missiles launched per container simultaneously for a total of 80 missiles in the air at the same time.

They will have to work hard to optimize against drones and low radar cross section targets.

Sidenote: Halcon is also supposedly developing air to air missiles as well, and set up a RF and microwave facility recently.
 

Van Kravchenko

Contributor
Indonesia Correspondent
Messages
1,285
Reactions
2 872
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
RIA novosti (russia state owned media) reported ammunition explosion at Moskva , slava class cruiser, if this was really in-line with the ukraine report that they struck her with neptune missile, it would be the biggest BRUH moment in this war.
logistical wise here, Do not Fu**in put all your ammo close to each other without proper seal and protection.

I heard it was 2 struct from Neptune AShM, since it has capability to fly in subsonic + has sea skiming mode thus made Harpoon, exocet, c 705 and so on still put a threat. Make notice Moskva is old lady, so i think her radar should be obsolete.

At the end, nothing to do with 90+ vls if your damage control is suck. One stroke, then the ammo goes boom
 

Follow us on social media

Top Bottom