Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[McCool]

Russian simp Geroman a** is on fire and so does many of Russian supporters worldwide lolol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516829295817199634

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516785963644633096

The more the average Russian suffer the more their war efforts would be hindered

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516855859623563264

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516785963644633096

Not all together surprising.

After all even PRC state banks avoided opening bank accounts for Carrie Lam once she got US sanctions.....she is paid by briefcases of cash monthly as a result.

It upset many PRC wumaos that it turned out that way (after much posturing before it)....and I revel in this upsetting them as well (along with Russia simps).

 

[McCool]

Not all together surprising.

After all even PRC state banks avoided opening bank accounts for Carrie Lam once she got US sanctions.....she is paid by briefcases of cash monthly as a result.

It upset many PRC wumaos that it turned out that way (after much posturing before it)....and I revel in this upsetting them as well (along with Russia simps).

There goes @beijingwalker dream of a united Sino-Russian alliance lol

 

[Fuzuli NL]

There goes @beijingwalker dream of a united Sino-Russian alliance lol

Mind you, if it wasn't for this war, it might've happened sooner than we thought. At least de facto.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516934934363004929

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516934956844470281

 

[Stepan Bandura]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516670747216957444

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516781401886101504

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516934934363004929

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516934956844470281

Russia is slowly gaining ground and this is an inevitable fact
It seems that Ukraine cant switch from a defensive to an attacking mindset

With the current trend, Ukraine will probably lose all of its East and Souther front (apart from Odessa) and the Russians will just switch to a defensive position to wear Ukranians out. With all of Ukraine's defense industry infrastructure in shambles and with the fact that many Western countries are now starting to raise the red alerts due to depletion of their own ammo stock, Putin is set to gain a lot of territory by the end of the year or the beginning of the next year

Ukraine needs to be creative, IMO, if they want to win this war. Putin already got the massive domestic backing he needs by brainwashing his own ppl but the Ukranians may grow fed up in the long term

Ukraine also needs to know that the US main concern in this war is to not let Ukraine win but to deplete Russian forces and troops; from their own ammo, to their own domestic production, to their own troops by ensuring that most of those who are eligible to military service are being killed early on; thus, reducing Russia's threat by reducing its ability to spread internationally (due to lack of troops) and destroy any possible future alliance or deep co-operation between Russia and China by showing the world how Shit the Russians are.
The US literally got what it wants with Finland and Sweden joining NATO as a lovely bonus; moreover, it acted as a warning to Putin that any new invasion towards the West wont be favourable which will put a halt to Putin's ambitions to further engulf the West post-Ukraine

 

[HTurk]

Ukraine requested 8 sets of 720 Hisar-O medium-range air defense missiles from Turkey.

Why Hisar and why not the European equivalent of Hisar? I'm sure there must be one.

 

[Relic]

Russia is slowly gaining ground and this is an inevitable fact
It seems that Ukraine cant switch from a defensive to an attacking mindset

With the current trend, Ukraine will probably lose all of its East and Souther front (apart from Odessa) and the Russians will just switch to a defensive position to wear Ukranians out. With all of Ukraine's defense industry infrastructure in shambles and with the fact that many Western countries are now starting to raise the red alerts due to depletion of their own ammo stock, Putin is set to gain a lot of territory by the end of the year or the beginning of the next year

Ukraine needs to be creative, IMO, if they want to win this war. Putin already got the massive domestic backing he needs by brainwashing his own ppl but the Ukranians may grow fed up in the long term

Ukraine also needs to know that the US main concern in this war is to not let Ukraine win but to deplete Russian forces and troops; from their own ammo, to their own domestic production, to their own troops by ensuring that most of those who are eligible to military service are being killed early on; thus, reducing Russia's threat by reducing its ability to spread internationally (due to lack of troops) and destroy any possible future alliance or deep co-operation between Russia and China by showing the world how Shit the Russians are.
The US literally got what it wants with Finland and Sweden joining NATO as a lovely bonus; moreover, it acted as a warning to Putin that any new invasion towards the West wont be favourable which will put a halt to Putin's ambitions to further engulf the West post-Ukraine

The war is still winnable for Ukraine, but it's going happen in a much more patient manner and with a lot more bloodshed, than most care for.

1). The Ukrainians must continue to strategically withdraw and give up territory, in order to draw the advancing Russians into artillery fire and through towns and villages, with chokepoints, where there isn't open terrain and where anti-armor weapons are more effective than in the open fields, where Russia wants to fight. This tactic will also lengthen supply lines, again, further challenging the re-supply issues as they get deeper into Ukraine.

2). Time must be bought, for heavy Western weapons to have a chance to arrive, and for Ukraine to learn how to use them effectively. If they meet the Russians on the front line now, and lose decisively, their combat experienced soldiers will be dead by time the important weapons reach the East, where they can be used.

3). Time must also be bought to continue to activate, arm and train Ukrainian defense force volunteers, who will form their own battalions and be charged with filling up the existing units as they are depleted of manpower. This is a slow process and in order for Ukraine to mobilize the men and women of their country, it will continue to take time and patience.

4). Russian equipment has suffered significant losses and is in extremely wide ranging states of repair / dis-repair. The Ukrainians must force that equipment to move as far as it can, burn as much fuel as it can, fire as many rounds as it can, etc. In the big picture, much of Ukraine is relatively safe right now. It's a big country. Forcing Russia to stretch its supply lines, have its troops fight an extended, low morale battle and force them into urban combat (where they struggle because of their reliance on heavy armor) is what outmatched Ukrainians must do.

5. Hundreds of pieces of heavy weapons and vehicles are going to start pouring into Ukraine in the coming weeks. It's arriving in Poland daily. It's going to take time to get it to the front, where it can be effective, but the hope is that it can be brought there and used by fresh Ukrainian troops, who are rested and can reinforce their own forces, against an exhausted Russian force.

Ukraine is being patient and conserving it's war fighting power. It's maddening to us following the conflict because we want the Ukrainians to drive them out of the country, but it's not going to work like that. They need to exhaust and wear down the Russian force, then counter attack, flank and attack from distance, as the Russians over extend on the advance.

 

[Relic]

Why Hisar and why not the European equivalent of Hisar? I'm sure there must be one.

Probably because they're trying to spread their asks around, among NATO countries, so that not any particular country is being asked to give more than it can afford. The more you spread the asks around, the better chance that countries will oblige.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Why Hisar and why not the European equivalent of Hisar? I'm sure there must be one.

It would be great if the US would order these items from Türkiye and pay for them, thus no direct military assistance to Ukraine which would anger Moscow.
And would take our defence exports through the roof!
Otherwise, having so many Turkish defence products in the wish list of a country fighting a superpower, is a strong statement in itself.

 

[McCool]

It would be great if the US would order these items from Türkiye and pay for them, thus no direct military assistance to Ukraine which would anger Moscow.
And would take our defence exports through the roof!
Otherwise, having so many Turkish defence products in the wish list of a country fighting a superpower, is a strong statement in itself.

If the Altay is operational and mass produced. I guess Ukraine wud prolly going for it instead of the leopards

 

[Relic]

It would be great if the US would order these items from Türkiye and pay for them, thus no direct military assistance to Ukraine which would anger Moscow.
And would take our defence exports through the roof!
Otherwise, having so many Turkish defence products in the wish list of a country fighting a superpower, is a strong statement in itself.

Why can't Turkey just donate them to the U.S., or Poland, directly? Why make a 3rd party spend their financial resources, when they can be allocated elsewhere to aid the war effort? Turkey is a big country, with a strong military. They can afford the donation, no?

 

[Lool]

The war is still winnable for Ukraine, but it's going happen in a much more patient manner and with a lot more bloodshed, than most care for.

1). The Ukrainians must continue to strategically withdraw and give up territory, in order to draw the advancing Russians into artillery fire and through towns and villages, with chokepoints, where there isn't open terrain and where anti-armor weapons are more effective than in the open fields, where Russia wants to fight. This tactic will also lengthen supply lines, again, further challenging the re-supply issues as they get deeper into Ukraine.

2). Time must be bought, for heavy Western weapons to have a chance to arrive, and for Ukraine to learn how to use them effectively. If they meet the Russians on the front line now, and lose decisively, their combat experienced soldiers will be dead by time the important weapons reach the East, where they can be used.

3). Time must also be bought to continue to activate, arm and train Ukrainian defense force volunteers, who will form their own battalions and be charged with filling up the existing units as they are depleted of manpower. This is a slow process and in order for Ukraine to mobilize the men and women of their country, it will continue to take time and patience.

4). Russian equipment has suffered significant losses and is in extremely wide ranging states of repair / dis-repair. The Ukrainians must force that equipment to move as far as it can, burn as much fuel as it can, fire as many rounds as it can, etc. In the big picture, much of Ukraine is relatively safe right now. It's a big country. Forcing Russia to stretch its supply lines, have its troops fight an extended, low morale battle and force them into urban combat (where they struggle because of their reliance on heavy armor) is what outmatched Ukrainians must do.

5. Hundreds of pieces of heavy weapons and vehicles are going to start pouring into Ukraine in the coming weeks. It's arriving in Poland daily. It's going to take time to get it to the front, where it can be effective, but the hope is that it can be brought there and used by fresh Ukrainian troops, who are rested and can reinforce their own forces, against an exhausted Russian force.

Ukraine is being patient and conserving it's war fighting power. It's maddening to us following the conflict because we want the Ukrainians to drive them out of the country, but it's not going to work like that. They need to exhaust and wear down the Russian force, then counter attack, flank and attack from distance, as the Russians over extend on the advance.

This is the problem with many members in this forum tbh
You guys are too Optimistic tbh

So.... you guys believe that they are intentionally losing land to stretch the Russian supply lines? Bullshit! lets be honest, the Russians are stupid but they do learn

Cities, when lost, are difficult to retake as they are good defensive positions. When the Russians take them, they deport the children to Russia to be educated there and introduce the ruble as well as start mobilisation of the ppl against their own nation's army. You think that the Ukranian commanders are tactically retreating but I truly believe that the Russians are beginning to overpower them.
Just look at Kherson; sooner or later, they will hold a fake referundum to forcefully add kherson into Russia. At that moment, Putin will use the Nuclear weapons card to justify protecting Russian territory. By that point, I suspect most Western states to raise the white flag. The CIA isnt that dumb though; they know the result and are just using the process to weaken Russia for around 3 to 4 decades until they deal with China


Certainly, winning Ukraine wont be cheap for Russia as they will lose thousands of soldiers but Putin doesnt give a shit since he will replace them in 20 years by brainwashed Ukranian kids.... Period! I will say it again, the current situation serves none other than the USA as it gears up to face China.
The US knew that the FSB division responsible for Ukraine were a bunch of idiots and used that to try and weaken the Russia-China axis while the US organise their cards against China

Dont get me wrong, Iam on Ukraine's side since I believe that each country has its right to improve itself and shouldnt remain under poverty and corruption just because Putin cant fix his nation's chronic problem for over 2 decades. Putin is literally protecting his country by preserving the status quo which is..... If Russia is corrupt, then all surrounding nations must be even more corrupt to ensure Russia's superiority. This is one of Putin's modus operandi regarding the surrounding states


Moreover, Russia is slowly taking control of the weapons that gave Ukraine an edge. If such weapons were reverse engineered, then I will 100% say bye bye to Ukraine

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516900031449739264

Proof that the Russians are gradually understanding the importance of logistics

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516934041018277888

Not only me believes that this war is meant to weaken Russia

Turkey’s FM says some NATO allies want ‘longer’ Ukraine war to weaken Russia

Some NATO countries want Russia’s war on Ukraine to last longer to weaken Moscow, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu told CNN Turk on

english.alarabiya.net

You see mate, politics is dirty and tbh... If I was the president of the US and I was gearing up for a fight against China, then the first thing I would do is to try to break China internally (which is impossible for now) and the second is to apply long term damage to its allies in order to hinder its movements


Summary:
The longer this war is, the more disadvantageous Ukraine's position becomes

 

[McCool]

Why can't Turkey just donate them to the U.S., or Poland, directly? Why make a 3rd party spend their financial resources, when they can be allocated elsewhere to aid the war effort? Turkey is a big country, with a strong military. They can afford the donation, no?

Big country and strong military yes, but we're talking premium weapons like the Hisar. Not even the US donate their patriot or whatever.

I could hardly understand why Turkey needs to invest so much gor free in Ukraine when the most immediate threat (If Ukraine falls) is Europe.

After years of rejecting Turkey into EU and sometimes clashing with their security interest (like in Libya). Why should Turkey cares more about European security than Europe itself.

Germany the largest and most prosperous of all Europans should instead take the lead so do France.

 

[Stepan Bandura]

Atrocities ruzzians commit in Ukraine are hardly a surprise when they treat loved one just like this:

 

[clonda]

The war is still winnable for Ukraine, but it's going happen in a much more patient manner and with a lot more bloodshed, than most care for.

1). The Ukrainians must continue to strategically withdraw and give up territory, in order to draw the advancing Russians into artillery fire and through towns and villages, with chokepoints, where there isn't open terrain and where anti-armor weapons are more effective than in the open fields, where Russia wants to fight. This tactic will also lengthen supply lines, again, further challenging the re-supply issues as they get deeper into Ukraine.

2). Time must be bought, for heavy Western weapons to have a chance to arrive, and for Ukraine to learn how to use them effectively. If they meet the Russians on the front line now, and lose decisively, their combat experienced soldiers will be dead by time the important weapons reach the East, where they can be used.

3). Time must also be bought to continue to activate, arm and train Ukrainian defense force volunteers, who will form their own battalions and be charged with filling up the existing units as they are depleted of manpower. This is a slow process and in order for Ukraine to mobilize the men and women of their country, it will continue to take time and patience.

4). Russian equipment has suffered significant losses and is in extremely wide ranging states of repair / dis-repair. The Ukrainians must force that equipment to move as far as it can, burn as much fuel as it can, fire as many rounds as it can, etc. In the big picture, much of Ukraine is relatively safe right now. It's a big country. Forcing Russia to stretch its supply lines, have its troops fight an extended, low morale battle and force them into urban combat (where they struggle because of their reliance on heavy armor) is what outmatched Ukrainians must do.

5. Hundreds of pieces of heavy weapons and vehicles are going to start pouring into Ukraine in the coming weeks. It's arriving in Poland daily. It's going to take time to get it to the front, where it can be effective, but the hope is that it can be brought there and used by fresh Ukrainian troops, who are rested and can reinforce their own forces, against an exhausted Russian force.

Ukraine is being patient and conserving it's war fighting power. It's maddening to us following the conflict because we want the Ukrainians to drive them out of the country, but it's not going to work like that. They need to exhaust and wear down the Russian force, then counter attack, flank and attack from distance, as the Russians over extend on the advance.

Russia will never again move into the depths of the country, repeating mistakes. Russia does not have the forces for this, and the strategic task has changed to strengthen the defense of Donbass and destroy the Armed Forces in the eastern direction. For these purposes, the capture of convenient settlements on the flanks is now taking place for the subsequent creation of bridgeheads. Russia will hold the eastern territory and control the sky. The economic situation in Ukraine is catastrophically bad, and Ukraine will not be able to continue this war for a long time. If Russia destroys the eastern grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Donbass, it will be bad for Ukraine. There are no experienced fighters, 3 months is not enough to master the military profession, it takes years and years of experience.Therefore, many cars from the West will lose their profitability. My opinion is that the only chance for Ukraine is to withdraw the army from the eastern border and pull it deeper into its supplies to strengthen its defense. Do not have any illusions about the victory over Russia on its border

 

[Stepan Bandura]

Therefore, many cars from the West will lose their profitability.

Nice google translation, comrade, to the direction of the warship you may go.