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Then prove that your men will not surrender without firing a single bullet by attacking VN without help from daddy JP-US like in 1979.

If CN dare not, then everyone will realize CN soldiers are coward, surrender without firing a single bullet :p
Neither you nor me can prove anything there when the battles really happened, but we have registered POW exchange record to refer to.
 

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Thats tks for the help from daddy JP-US , not mentioning VN was busy expanding power to the West by wiping out CN's ally, Pol Pot, in Cambodia. Try to attack VN again when CN doesn't have support from daddy JP-US if u think CN still can win. :cool:
US daddy? who is seeking US help now? China or Vietnam?
 

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At least China has very developed landbased network connecting with the rest of the world, how about Vietnam? how do you do business and get energy supply with other countries?
It's so stupid to threaten to kill yourself to hurt China, and even you kill yourself, you won't hurt China a bit.

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Then how can CN get the raw maerial from Africa when VN cover SCS(east VN sea) with sea mine ??
loL, How can you get them? you can try to block south China sea, China doesn't have to do anything, US and Asean will go after you first, it's such a funny notion. China doens't mind if you choose to kill yourself.
 

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loL, How can you get them? you can try to block south China sea, China doesn't have to do anything, US and Asean will go after you first, it's such a funny notion. China doens't mind if you choose to kill yourself.
US people don't want to lose in another VN war again, their men will refuse to fight. ASEAN navy is just a joke against 6 VN Kilos that even can fire land attack missiles, we can use Kilo to attack Sing with land attack missile from 300km, dude:p

Btw, US ppl don't live in delusion like CN, they willing to make friend with VN and build the most expensive US embasy in the world in Ha Noi now, Win-win is the way they can avoid being blocked in SCS(east VN sea) and face another loss against VN, dude

Until this moment, the US Embassy in London is still being the most expensive US Embassy complex in the world with the price of $1 billion. However, this record will be beaten with the newly proposed complex in Hanoi, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, with a price of $1.2 billion

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Hanoi (VNA) - Chargé d'Affaires of the US Embassy in Vietnam Christopher Klein and Director of the Hanoi municipal Department of Natural Resources and Environment Bui Duy Cuong on August 25 signed an agreement on the new location of the headquarters of the US Embassy in Vietnam.

The signing ceremony was witnessed by US Vice President Kamala Harris and Chairman of the municipal People’s Committee Chu Ngoc Anh.

The activity took place within the framework of the ongoing Vietnam visit by the US Vice President from August 24-26.

At a total cost of about 1.2 billion USD, the headquarters will cover 3.2 ha with a construction site of over 419,000 sq.m in Cau Giay district.

 

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Institutional memory: the main proponents of this procedure are actually China, Japan and S-Korea. I haven't been to India, so I wouldn't know about them.
When I came to China first sporadically from 1987 onward and permanently from 2002 the first observations I recall, was that everything was being discussed and analyzed for hours upon e.g. how to repair a steel coil-feeder for a punching machine. From the engineer right down to the unskilled worker. (about 12 people).

After 4 hours I lost my "German" patience - and ordered them what and how to do. There were 2 people who liked this and 10 people almost violently objecting my proposal and instruction, simply because they could not follow my technical understanding and therefore my proposal. 1 hour later a repaired and entirely reconstructed feeder took up it's work again. (Staying in continuous operation for the next 8 years). 11 people smiling and applauding, 1 person obviously infuriated and angry.

The latter person was the Chief engineer and leader of this production section. Off course he was infuriated because through my actions I had made him loose his face or call it his standing amongst his workers. However I did recall my growing up in S.E.A. and therefore managed via some other "joint improvements" to regain his cooperation and standing amongst his colleges.

This above example illustrates China from 1986 - 2005. And drove many Europeans nut's in regards to China manufacturing status and it's workers - these endless discussions about everything. Thus having an entire production unit out of operation for hours - sometimes for days.

Via analysis I was soon aware that due to a change in educational policy - vocational training (apprenticeship) had been abolished in China around the end 80's. Thus some "elite" young total theory minded engineers and millions of inexperienced workers - contra a very few older experienced engineers and workers. Therefore these "endless" discussions were simply an attempt of conveying knowledge between the members of these two groups. Most of them still being embedded in a communist state styled industry mentality - "you get paid the same no matter if you produce or not".

From 2005 onward this has changed considerably - Due to Beijing recognizing this major issue and funding state-held companies to allocate huge resources towards training their staff. - in separate workshops and machine operating training facilities. Larger privately held companies (2000 workers and more) follow the same procedure. For smaller companies these issues still partially prevail but they found ways to improve that situation overall.

In Japan and S-Korea - they have a similar approach - but endless seeming discussions are still held in the offices of those holding a diploma or a degree.

The vast difference nowadays between the European e.g. German system and that of China? in Germany the individual is expected to learn by himself and enhance by himself - in China the group is expected to learn and enhance via exchanging ideas and knowledge amongst themselves. Therefore the Chinese school education system is also being changed - from the previous immense individual learning and homework stress towards a class enhancement process.

Exactly the same principle applies towards China's Armed Forces - via in-cooperation of all ranks from Private to NCO to Officers - the overall understanding and grasp towards a units importance and it's inter-meshing functions is far higher then that of e.g. the German Armed Forces. Not to mention moral and motivation.

China is cooperating in the exchange of military know-how - joint training - joint exercises and military college institutions - worldwide. - even with NATO institutions and units and with non-committed nations, e.g. Pakistan, India, Brazil, and so on. However their procedure is different - they prefer group training with individual selected forces - from individual nations. Those incorporated skills and knowledge are then masterfully exhibited demonstrated in China's MASSIVE military exercises-maneuvers, and large scale exercises with e.g. the CIS partners.
There is a reason why the UN's preferred units are consisting of China's PLA and WG. From what I have seen the most experienced units in regards to EOD issues worldwide - they know more about e.g. Israels bombs, missiles etc. then the USA - e.g. UN Lebanon missions.

It would be a huge mistake IMO to discredit or totally misjudge China's fighting skill and ability - just because they refrain mostly from joint exercises that behold US military. E.g. Chinese submarines have repeatably "targeted" (luckily in simulations) US carriers and naval assets a 1000km and further from China's coastline.

In case of Chinese forces having picked up e.g. a US carrier and in simulation destroyed it via missiles or other weapon systems would you know it? well hardly because China refrains from publicly announcing such results and the US has no big reason to publish it either. Unless e.g. PLAF J-20's picked up onto F-35's and the USA unveiling such Chinese capabilities in order to portray them as being aggressive!!

Your example from 1986 is a good example in regards to continuously develop new abilities. But if you should believe that China isn't aware of that, and is not capable to develop exactly such abilities then again you would be very wrong.

And in a last: Aside from Israel - I am not aware of any other nation that could show that "constant practical military involvement" - therefore even the US Forces are in an exchange with the IDF and btw, so is China. Did the US have any previous mass combat experience in the previous 30 years when embarking onto the operation desert storm? no, not at all. Did the Iraqi forces have such experience? - yes for more then 10 continuous years. (trained foremost by Russia, France, Pakistan and even the USA) But again fighting an inferior (military hardware and morals) underdog isn't really a proof towards the US Forces capability.

You believe that the German Army might be so capable because of joint operations with US forces?
In vast majority in regards to position 1-3 amongst NATO forces maneuver results - you will hardly find the US forces amongst those 3.
Within NATO we all know the actual capability of the individual US Forces - and it's not impressive at all. The latter is also a learning process ;) not excluding the possibility that there might be a thing or two that could be placed into the section - positive added learning.
What is impressive is their quantity and abundance in conventional material - and this is were they are already getting outmatched by China.

No doubt the US Forces are vastly superior in regards to space tech - e.g. satellites, coms, or ECM and alike in comparence to the German forces - however their standard dudes and vast majority of their junior officers are simply are not able to make use of it, or gain an advantage during maneuvers. US high-tech and the actual performance and skill level of their forces are indeed two separate facts. Not just as you assume only the CN forces to be.

I am aware however that in most S.E.A. countries the US still carry that nimbus of wooha...
And since the US is starting to loose out worldwide on that nimbus - the rhetoric since around 2018 of "ah China got no practical war experience" has significantly risen.
 
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US people don't want to lose in another VN war again, their men will refuse to fight. ASEAN navy is just a joke against 6 VN Kilos that even can fire land attack missiles, we can use Kilo to attack Sing with land attack missile from 300km, dude:p

Btw, US ppl don't live in delusion like CN, they willing to make friend with VN and build the most expensive US embasy in the world in Ha Noi now, Win-win is the way they can avoid being blocked in SCS(east VN sea) and face another loss against VN, dude
If I would be a S.E.A. country, the last other S.E.A. country I would want to mess around with is Singapore and it's armed forces. (But that would be another topic)

It is nice to see how much effort the USA is placing onto Vietnam. However actually giving Vietnam an interest free loan of $1.2. billion (in regards to war damages and sufferings caused by them) might be much better then building a fancy embassy.

The main reason as to why this embassy is sooo expansive and expensive is due to it's intended use - surveilling S.E.A. countries - especially Vietnam (tapping Nguyễn Phú Trọng's phone etc.) and off course to get their "ear's" closer onto China. Having a good relation with other countries is always a good thing - but being used as a proxy by the USA - exploiting the historic and cultural problems plaguing the Vietnam-China relationship would be another issue to think about :)

But hey, it's your country - if you have reason's to believe that it will benefit your country more then harm/hinder it - go ahead.
 

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Do I have to say again and again that VN men fired to the last bullet before surrender while CN men quicly surrender without firing a single bullet ?? and thats not propaganda, thats the Fact during VN-CN war.
Maybe because that is what Vietnam's propaganda want's their people to believe? As already pointed out via POW figures - those do not support your statement.

As for posts/statements like:
SCS( east VN sea) is not an ocean, big ships will be sunk by anti-ship missile easier. Thats why CN navy had to withdraw in the conflict and make the World laugh at how idiot CN's naval force is .

I am looking forward to future "interesting discussions" with you, based on sources and generally accepted information - so maybe you can find a way to "exclude" such statements? Maybe China wihdrew simply due to the fact that they did not want to escalate that particular incident? and not due to supposed military deficiencies? e.g. they could have maybe won, but took into account an international backlash? that might have caused more harm then a voluntary retreat?
Just saying ;)
 

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If I would be a S.E.A. country, the last other S.E.A. country I would want to mess around with is Singapore and it's armed forces. (But that would be another topic)
Bcs u guys never fight against any ASEAN like VN, so u don't know how weak ASEAN armies are. From 1979 to 1988, VN invaded Cambodia and attack Thailand, too, and Thai men always run away when seeing VN armed forces. So, no surprise when VN can wipe out Sing with just few land attack missiles from our Kilos.


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  • 22 April: Vietnamese troops crossed the border and ambushed a company of border police, killing four Thai soldiers and wounding another. The company of five Thai police was patrolling a strategic point near the border in Buriram Province, 174 miles east of Bangkok, when a Vietnamese soldier hurled a grenade into the group and opened fire with rifles. The Vietnamese soldiers were more than 500 yards inside Thai territory when they staged the attack.[78]
  • 12 June: At about 9 a.m., Vietnamese 105mm and 85mm artillery shelled a Thai village, killing two villagers and wounding two others. Six artillery shells struck four miles deep inside Thailand.[79]

t is nice to see how much effort the USA is placing onto Vietnam. However actually giving Vietnam an interest free loan of $1.2. billion (in regards to war damages and sufferings caused by them) might be much better then building a fancy embassy.

The main reason as to why this embassy is sooo expansive and expensive is due to it's intended use - surveilling S.E.A. countries - especially Vietnam (tapping Nguyễn Phú Trọng's phone etc.) and off course to get their "ear's" closer onto China. Having a good relation with other countries is always a good thing - but being used as a proxy by the USA - exploiting the historic and cultural problems plaguing the Vietnam-China relationship would be another issue to think about :)

But hey, it's your country - if you have reason's to believe that it will benefit your country more then harm/hinder it - go ahead.
Haha, u know, when VN decide to join TPP deal (Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement,) many people also said that US Multinational corporations will take control of VN economy soon, VN would be US's slave when joining TPP etc, and we all knew that its Mr.Trump who cancelled the deal bcs he know VN-JP will be the biggest beneficiaries of TPP deal.

So, same thing for US-VN deal when VN agree to let US build the most expensive embassy in VN. People can keep saying "VN will be used as a proxy by the USA ", but we all know that VN will be the biggest beneficiary again . Many US companies may quit CN and move to VN in the future while VN car/EV companies like Vinfast will have a great chance to export EV to US :cool:

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Vinfast to build electric vehicle and battery manufacturing factory in North Carolina​

VGP – Viet Nam's car manufacturer Vinfast has announced that it will build an electric vehicle and battery manufacturing facility in North Carolina, the U.S.​

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MARCH 30, 2022 2:05 PM GMT+7
Vinfast to build electric vehicle and battery manufacturing factory in U.S. - Ảnh 1.
Governor Roy Cooper and Vingroup Vice Chair - VinFast Global CEO Le Thi Thu Thuy sign the MOU on the establishment of VinFasts first North American manufacturing plant in North Carolina. Photo: VinGroup.net
Vinfast's factory will be located in Chatham County's Triangle Innovation Point megasite, covering an area of 800-hectares, with 3 main areas: electric cars and buses production and assembly, EV batteries production and ancillary industries for suppliers.
Construction for phase 1 of the factory will start in 2022 after a construction permit is granted and production is expected to start in July, 2024. The capacity of phase 1 is expected to be 150,000 vehicles per year.
According to the MOU, VinFast will continue to invest in this factory in future phases. Vehicles to be produced at the site include the VinFast VF 9, a 7-passenger all-electric Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) and the VinFast VF 8, a 5-passenger, all-electric mid-size SUV.
This project will generate thousands of jobs for local communities. The North Carolina Department of Commerce coordinated the state's recruitment of VinFast, which also involved state, regional, and local organizations.
Founded in 2017, VinFast is a global producer of premium automobiles. Headquartered in Ha Noi, the carmaker boasts a state-of-the-art vehicle production facility in Hai Phong, that will have the capacity to produce 950,000 vehicles per year by 2026.
VinFast has established global operations in the U.S., Canada, Germany, France and the Netherlands. The company currently provides an ecosystem of EV products in its home country of Viet Nam, including e-scooters, electric buses and electric cars, charging station system and green energy solutions./.
 
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All I can say is that you @Viva-vietnamm are a real "inspired nationalist" with a tendency to block out realities - try to think about it.

You really think or believe that this 1988 account ads to Vietnam being liked or respected?
 

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Maybe because that is what Vietnam's propaganda want's their people to believe? As already pointed out via POW figures - those do not support your statement.

As for posts/statements like:
SCS( east VN sea) is not an ocean, big ships will be sunk by anti-ship missile easier. Thats why CN navy had to withdraw in the conflict and make the World laugh at how idiot CN's naval force is .

I am looking forward to future "interesting discussions" with you, based on sources and generally accepted information - so maybe you can find a way to "exclude" such statements? Maybe China wihdrew simply due to the fact that they did not want to escalate that particular incident? and not due to supposed military deficiencies? e.g. they could have maybe won, but took into account an international backlash? that might have caused more harm then a voluntary retreat?
Just saying ;)
Actually VN don't need to make some funny propaganda when fighting against CN cos we always think CN amry is just a joke, and would dare not attack VN if daddy US refuse to help . Thats why VN used the best forces to attack and quickly wipe out CN's ally, Pol Pot, in Cambodia in just 1 week while we only use guerrilla and border guards as main forces to fight against CN in the North .

CN even had to begged help from US for Intel in the war but still suffered high casualties and had to withdraw before VN best force could come back from Cambodia.

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Some troops engaged in this war, especially engineering units, railway corps, logistical units and antiaircraft units, had been assigned to assist North Vietnam in its war against South Vietnam just a few years earlier during the Vietnam War. Contrary to the belief that over 600,000 Chinese troops entered North Vietnam, the actual number was only 200,000.[citation needed] However, 600,000 Chinese troops were mobilized, of which 400,000 were deployed away from their original bases during the one month conflict.[citation needed] Around 200 tanks (specifically Type 59s) were also deployed[citation needed].

The Chinese troop deployments were observed by U.S. spy satellites, and the KH-9 Big Bird photographic reconnaissance satellite played an important role. In his state visit to the U.S. in 1979, the Chinese paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was presented with this information and asked to confirm the numbers. He replied that the information was completely accurate. After this public confirmation in the U.S., the domestic Chinese media were finally allowed to report on these deployments
 

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All I can say is that you @Viva-vietnamm are a real "inspired nationalist" with a tendency to block out realities - try to think about it.

You really think or believe that this 1988 account ads to Vietnam being liked or respected?
"inspired nationalist" ?? No I just tell the truth, u think why VN still is the only one can defeat US till now ?? Pls don't name Afganistan cos she never shoot down any US jet fighters while VN took down thousands ones.

VN just simple don't care what another ASEAN nations think abt us, ASEAN was formed to fight against VN's invasion to Cambodia btw.
 

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Actually VN don't need to make some funny propaganda when fighting against CN cos we always think CN amry is just a joke, and would dare not attack VN if daddy US refuse to help . Thats why VN used the best forces to attack and quickly wipe out CN's ally, Pol Pot, in Cambodia in just 1 week while we only use guerrilla and border guards as main forces to fight against CN in the North .
Why do you always try to bring in that "daddy USA" - IMO that is just immature.

And yes the PLA was smart - since they choose to attack Vietnam - knowing that most of it's regular forces were in Cambodia. So actually the Vietnamese strategy proofed to be the faulty one.
CN even had to begged help from US for Intel in the war but still suffered high casualties and had to withdraw before VN best force could come back from Cambodia.
How would you know that China "begged"? maybe Vietnam begged from Russia? - but had nothing to offer in that respect?
Anyway - US information to my knowledge wasn't just in regards to Vietnam, but far more towards Russian moves on China's northern borders.

Since Russia was actually the USA's and China's prime objective. China's move into Vietnam was more a punitive action towards Hanoi and at the same time discrediting Russia's ability to support it's "friends" in S.E.A. - therefore US supported and not objected to.
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Some troops engaged in this war, especially engineering units, railway corps, logistical units and antiaircraft units, had been assigned to assist North Vietnam in its war against South Vietnam just a few years earlier during the Vietnam War. Contrary to the belief that over 600,000 Chinese troops entered North Vietnam, the actual number was only 200,000.[citation needed] However, 600,000 Chinese troops were mobilized, of which 400,000 were deployed away from their original bases during the one month conflict.[citation needed] Around 200 tanks (specifically Type 59s) were also deployed[citation needed].

The Chinese troop deployments were observed by U.S. spy satellites, and the KH-9 Big Bird photographic reconnaissance satellite played an important role. In his state visit to the U.S. in 1979, the Chinese paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was presented with this information and asked to confirm the numbers. He replied that the information was completely accurate. After this public confirmation in the U.S., the domestic Chinese media were finally allowed to report on these deployments
Correct - and it was a major political success for China and the USA.
 

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"inspired nationalist" ?? No I just tell the truth, u think why VN still is the only one can defeat US till now ?? Pls don't name Afganistan cos she never shoot down any US jet fighters while VN took down thousands ones.
China defeated US ambitions "militarily" in regard to North-Korea.
The US public and it's government had to find out the hard way - that the corrupt South-Vietnamese government wasn't capable to upkeep it's power. as such the USA decided to end this "political'" debacle. Military wise I do not see a USA having been defeated by the VC or North-Vietnamese army.
VN just simple don't care what another ASEAN nations think abt us, ASEAN was formed to fight against VN's invasion to Cambodia btw.
Very undiplomatic statement IMO - but maybe you should take that post or related postings into the Vietnam Defense Forum?
 

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China defeated US ambitions "militarily" in regard to North-Korea.
Wrong, CN won some battle by suprise attack, but finnaly, the Allies forces foud out the way to beat PLA and they finally won.

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In early February, the ROK 11th Division ran the operation to destroy the guerrillas and their sympathizer citizens in Southern Korea.[256] During the operation, the division and police conducted the Geochang massacre and Sancheong–Hamyang massacre.[256] In mid-February, the PVA counterattacked with the Fourth Phase Offensive and achieved initial victory at Hoengseong. But the offensive was soon blunted by US IX Corps at Chipyong-ni in the center.[252] The US 23rd Regimental Combat Team and the French Battalion fought a short but desperate battle that broke the attack's momentum.[252] The battle is sometimes known as the "Gettysburg of the Korean War": 5,600 South Korean, US, and French troops were surrounded on all sides by 25,000 PVA. UN forces had previously retreated in the face of large PVA/KPA forces instead of getting cut off, but this time they stood and fought, and won.[257]


US Marines move out over rugged mountain terrain while closing with North Korean forces.
In the last two weeks of February 1951, Operation Thunderbolt was followed by Operation Killer, carried out by the revitalized Eighth Army. It was a full-scale, battlefront-length attack staged for maximum exploitation of firepower to kill as many KPA and PVA troops as possible.[252] Operation Killer concluded with US I Corps re-occupying the territory south of the Han River, and IX Corps capturing Hoengseong.[258] On 7 March 1951, the Eighth Army attacked with Operation Ripper, expelling the PVA and the KPA from Seoul on 14 March 1951. This was the fourth and final conquest of the city in a year's time, leaving it a ruin; the 1.5 million pre-war population was down to 200,000, and people were suffering from severe food shortages.[258][199]

On 1 March 1951, Mao sent a cable to Stalin emphasizing the difficulties faced by Chinese forces and the need for air cover, especially over supply lines. Apparently impressed by the Chinese war effort, Stalin agreed to supply two air force divisions, three anti-aircraft divisions, and six thousand trucks. PVA troops in Korea continued to suffer severe logistical problems throughout the war. In late April Peng Dehuai sent his deputy, Hong Xuezhi, to brief Zhou Enlai in Beijing. What Chinese soldiers feared, Hong said, was not the enemy, but having no food, bullets, or trucks to transport them to the rear when they were wounded. Zhou attempted to respond to the PVA's logistical concerns by increasing Chinese production and improving supply methods, but these efforts were never sufficient. At the same time, large-scale air defense training programs were carried out, and the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) began participating in the war from September 1951 onward.[259] The Fourth Phase Offensive had catastrophically failed, in contrast to the success of the Second Phase Offensive and limited gains of the Third Phase Offensive. The U.N. forces, after earlier defeats and subsequent retraining, proved much harder to infiltrate by Chinese light infantry than they had been in previous months. From 31 January to 21 April, the Chinese had suffered 53,000 casualties.[260]

Very undiplomatic statement - but maybe you should take that post or related postings into the Vietnam Forum?

Yeah, most of VNese look down on ASEAN cos we know ASEAN was formed to fight against VN.
 

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You can tell these guys the whole day long that China is new in this theatre and that China has no experience in the modern warfare sector like the West do, they still keep saying that China is producing the most underwear and toys.
 

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Correct - and it was a major political success for China and the USA.


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At least 21 dead in Vietnam anti-China protests over oil rig​

Riots spread from south the central part of Vietnam as crowds set fire to industrial parks, sparked by rig in disputed territory
Vietnam protesters Formosa steel mill in Ha Tinh province

Vietnamese protesters outside the construction site of a Formosa steel mill in Ha Tinh province. Protests led to at least 21 killed and nearly 100 injured. Photograph: Reuters

Kate Hodal in Bangkok and Jonathan Kaiman in Beijing
Thu 15 May 2014 20.05 BST

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At least 21 people were killed and nearly 100 injured in Vietnam on Thursday during violent protests against China in one of the deadliest confrontations between the two neighbours since 1979.
Crowds set fire to industrial parks and factories, hunted down Chinese workers and attacked police during the riots, which have spread from the south to the central part of the country following the start of the protests on Tuesday.

The violence has been sparked by the dispute concerning China stationing an oil rig in an area of the South China Sea claimed by Vietnam. The two nations have been fighting out a maritime battle over sovereignty and that battle has now seemingly come ashore.
Early Thursday morning a 1,000-strong mob stormed a giant Taiwanese steel mill in Ha Tinh province, central Vietnam, where they set buildings ablaze and chased out Chinese employees, according to a Taiwanese diplomat, Huang Chih-peng. He said both the head of the provincial government, and his security chief, were at the mill at the time of the riots, but did not "order tough-enough action".
Five Vietnamese workers, and 16 others described as Chinese, were killed during the rioting, a doctor at a hospital in Ha Tinh told Reuters. An additional 90 people were injured in the attack.
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"There were about 100 people sent to the hospital last night. Many were Chinese. More are being sent to the hospital this morning," the doctor said.
The attack on the steel mill comes just two days after other mobs burned and looted scores of foreign-owned factories in south Vietnam, believing they were Chinese-run, though many were actually Taiwanese or South Korean.
No deaths were reported in those initial attacks, and the Vietnamese government has since tried to crack down on protesters. More than 600 have been arrested since Tuesday.
The protests have sparked an exodus of Chinese nationals, many of whom have fled to neighbouring countries or further.
More than 600 are believed to have gone to Cambodia, while scores gathered at Ho Chi Minh airport and bought one-way tickets to Malaysia, Taiwan, Singapore and China.
 

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Bcs u guys never fight against any ASEAN like VN, so u don't know how weak ASEAN armies are. From 1979 to 1988, VN invaded Cambodia and attack Thailand, too, and Thai men always run away when seeing VN armed forces. So, no surprise when VN can wipe out Sing with just few land attack missiles from our Kilos.
Lol, much to be bragged about? but just now someone said Vietnam is a peace loving country and China is an aggressor.
 

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Wrong, CN won some battle by suprise attack, but finnaly, the Allies forces foud out the way to beat PLA and they finally won.

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In early February, the ROK 11th Division ran the operation to destroy the guerrillas and their sympathizer citizens in Southern Korea.[256] During the operation, the division and police conducted the Geochang massacre and Sancheong–Hamyang massacre.[256] In mid-February, the PVA counterattacked with the Fourth Phase Offensive and achieved initial victory at Hoengseong. But the offensive was soon blunted by US IX Corps at Chipyong-ni in the center.[252] The US 23rd Regimental Combat Team and the French Battalion fought a short but desperate battle that broke the attack's momentum.[252] The battle is sometimes known as the "Gettysburg of the Korean War": 5,600 South Korean, US, and French troops were surrounded on all sides by 25,000 PVA. UN forces had previously retreated in the face of large PVA/KPA forces instead of getting cut off, but this time they stood and fought, and won.[257]


US Marines move out over rugged mountain terrain while closing with North Korean forces.
In the last two weeks of February 1951, Operation Thunderbolt was followed by Operation Killer, carried out by the revitalized Eighth Army. It was a full-scale, battlefront-length attack staged for maximum exploitation of firepower to kill as many KPA and PVA troops as possible.[252] Operation Killer concluded with US I Corps re-occupying the territory south of the Han River, and IX Corps capturing Hoengseong.[258] On 7 March 1951, the Eighth Army attacked with Operation Ripper, expelling the PVA and the KPA from Seoul on 14 March 1951. This was the fourth and final conquest of the city in a year's time, leaving it a ruin; the 1.5 million pre-war population was down to 200,000, and people were suffering from severe food shortages.[258][199]

On 1 March 1951, Mao sent a cable to Stalin emphasizing the difficulties faced by Chinese forces and the need for air cover, especially over supply lines. Apparently impressed by the Chinese war effort, Stalin agreed to supply two air force divisions, three anti-aircraft divisions, and six thousand trucks. PVA troops in Korea continued to suffer severe logistical problems throughout the war. In late April Peng Dehuai sent his deputy, Hong Xuezhi, to brief Zhou Enlai in Beijing. What Chinese soldiers feared, Hong said, was not the enemy, but having no food, bullets, or trucks to transport them to the rear when they were wounded. Zhou attempted to respond to the PVA's logistical concerns by increasing Chinese production and improving supply methods, but these efforts were never sufficient. At the same time, large-scale air defense training programs were carried out, and the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) began participating in the war from September 1951 onward.[259] The Fourth Phase Offensive had catastrophically failed, in contrast to the success of the Second Phase Offensive and limited gains of the Third Phase Offensive. The U.N. forces, after earlier defeats and subsequent retraining, proved much harder to infiltrate by Chinese light infantry than they had been in previous months. From 31 January to 21 April, the Chinese had suffered 53,000 casualties.[260]



Yeah, most of VNese look down on ASEAN cos we know ASEAN was formed to fight against VN.
Doesn't change the fact that the PVA was able to push back the UN/US forces from it's borders and liberate entire North-Korea even below the the 38th parallel.
And the US wasn't willing to lose more man about this. As such a clear military victory for China, independent of N-Korea failed attempt towards reunification under communist rule.
 

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