Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[blackjack]

he is not such a bad guy afterall.

 

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he is not such a bad guy afterall.

Well, he is also a master of failed takeovers....

But seriously, everyone says stupid shit when they are high.

 

[Ecderha]

The Jewish Ukrainian soldier talks about the russian who came to denazify him

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1576840426232766464

 

[Ghost soldier]

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he is not such a bad guy afterall.

He's not a bad guy when he wants ukraine to become a Russian colony for "peace" right ?

What does he know about peace and war ?
He wasn't born in a battlefield, he's never been under occupation.

He doesn't know what it's like to fight and resist and kill just to survive.

In summary, elon is not greedy, but he is batshit insane.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

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he is not such a bad guy afterall.

Mr Musk clearly has no clue about wars.
Population is a factor, so is your arsenal, but these are not the only factors to win wars.

 

[Rodeo]

Mr Musk clearly has no clue about wars.
Population is a factor, so is your arsenal, but these are not the only factors to win wars.

He is a narcissist and an attention seeker, that's for sure. But I think it goes deeper. He foresees that a nuclear war will break out of this war and he can't quite utter the words on twitter to avoid normalizing the idea.

 

[Ryder]

Mr Musk clearly has no clue about wars.
Population is a factor, so is your arsenal, but these are not the only factors to win wars.

His right about a total war scenario.

The thing is Total War scenario is a cold war relic.

Its all about finishing wars with pinpoint accuracy while suffering less casualties desert storm basically showed us wars can be short due to modern technology.

Russia still thinks their next wars will be total war thats how wrong their thinking is.

They still have not committed to any kind of total war and they lack proper modern 21st century tech.

Ukraine war suppose to showcase that Russia can be on par with nato and end wars just as quick.

But now look how that turned out. The cracks were long there like Georgia and Syria. We all ignore it thinking its just minor setbacks that the Russians will come back and regroup.

Ukraine is kicking its ass with both domestic, western and soviet equipment.

Ukrainian soldiers especially their special forces are nato standard. You have to see how they swept the vdv aside with attacks in multiple areas.

 

[Nilgiri]

West should not humiliate Mr Putin , the result maybe total destruction .
Zeelinsky should restraint.
Putin is doing all the ground work to nuke Ukraine in case of a defeat . At first Putin may strike with a very small techtical weapon as warning .
Russian media and kadirov like leaders are propagating for a nuclear strike .
Putin is an international cheese player . He is showing his people that threat from NATO is real .
In long term Zeelinsky can't play with Putin .

Shoe on the other foot for a hypothetical.....would you say same thing if India (nuclear power) did same with Bangladesh (non nuclear power).... that all those helping BD really should not humiliate Modi (or whomever is in power at the time and relations having deteriorated by similar various equivalencies from RUS/UKR case).

Or if that hits too close to home, how about if China did the same with a smaller non-nuclear neighbour (say Vietnam, which partially already happened in 1979, with somewhat similar results to what Russia finding out now).... Xi/CCP or whomever simply must not be humiliated even though the core principle at hand is ripped to shreds?

Might always makes right, so why even try or help a matter of principle? You understand where that leads?

You have to stake proper equivalencies from every existing vector possible (including your own) to have the proper principle in the end to apply to all.

Can't be selective i.e trust/respect/fear Putin/Russia and hold its perspective/narrative as the absolute one as the first basis of argument and develop all else from that. That is both flawed and hypocritical at best.

 

[Ryder]

West should not humiliate Mr Putin , the result maybe total destruction .
Zeelinsky should restraint.
Putin is doing all the ground work to nuke Ukraine in case of a defeat . At first Putin may strike with a very small techtical weapon as warning .
Russian media and kadirov like leaders are propagating for a nuclear strike .
Putin is an international cheese player . He is showing his people that threat from NATO is real .
In long term Zeelinsky can't play with Putin .

Putin humiliated himself.

After this war.

Russia will no longer be recognised as a superpower and its status as a Great Power going down the drain too with it.

 

[Ryder]

We dont realise how the weakening of Russia will benefit Turkiye in the long run.

Russia for centuries has been our biggest enemies.

Still Turkiye should also keep the West at arms length. Turkiye's relations with Poland and the Baltic will grow. No doubt something like a mutual defence pact.

Turkiye can get along fine with Poland and the Baltic. They seem to be understanding at least.

 

[Barry]

Personally hoping this is the beginning of the Russian Federation breaking up.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Personally hoping this is the beginning of the Russian Federation breaking up.

inşallah​

 

[Azbaroj]

Putin is an international cheese player? Please do explain?

Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .

 

[Ryder]

Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .

But he screwed up in Ukraine which was a bigger price than any of those.

Russia actually had the initiative against us Turks in the geopolitical arena now they have pissed it all in the drain.

Putins chess game is unraveling.

 

[chibiyabi]

Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .

maybe he was success abroad because the enemy wasn't strong enough and don't have determinations to fight agains russia, and make another country eager to provide support them or less interest. But the ukranians have prove them self as battle hardened badass enemy for RU, if you remember, in the first stage of war, UA has very limited military asset, including small number of bayraktar, but with very brilliant tactic can repel first tier RU army from kiev. all the support came up after Ukranians prove them self worth to get support from many countries.

 

[Azbaroj]

Above is FULL of Bullshits .
Why ?
You never ever live as slave of russian controlled state.
No offense but you Logic can NOT work.
Ukraine people and many other countries which were Invaded buy russian army after year 1945 WANT FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.

How many times Ukraine people have to SAY IT?
THEY want FREEDOM and Independence from russian EVIL Plague. Ukraine people SAY IT -> TO THE END

You do not know what is to be slave
You do not know what is to not have future
You do not know that you do not have right for Justice, Law, Own Culture, Able to write and speak own language

All and more was taken by russians when they invaded all countries. Many able to get back own independence now Ukraine people will do all to get back OWN land

I hope you understand and stop talking things you not understand what those people grandfathers, fathers and their childrens which now are adults gone through

You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .

 

[GoatsMilk]

Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .

Georgia a tiny state with no outside support caused damage to Russia. Nothing special about chipping away some land from Georgia, nothing whatsoever. It gained Russia no strategic advantage and pushed Georgia into the lap of Turkey.

Syria is not over yet and after this Ukrainian failure that too could unravel for Putin. Don't forget it was Putins attack on Turkish troops in idlib that first exposed to the world that russian systems are shit. Before that event everyone was saying Russian air defence is the best in the world. Even Obama said he couldnt attack assad because of Russian air defence in Syria.

No this happened.

Then we move to Libya, Russia allied to france and the gulf states supported a criminal warlord in Haftar, they ended up in tripoli a few Km from the city centre, then the Turks got involved with a small footprint and this happened.

Turkey changed the game with drones, electronic warfare in Libya and Syria

Turkey changed the game with drones, electronic warfare in Libya and SyriaBritain's defense secretary stressed the “game-changing' role of Turkish drones in ...

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Turks were able to end their assault and pile more pressure on Russian systems being utter shit. Today Turkeys position is far stronger in Libya then Russia's is.

Then we go to Azerbaijan, Armenia an ally of Russia was crushed and their was nothing they could do about it. For the first time in history the "frozen conflict" strategy of Russia was defeated. Now Turkey is stronger in the caucuses then Russia is. Azerbaijan is our ally, Georgia needs us and the Armenians hate the Russians for not doing more.

While all this was happening these tricks and tactics the Turks learned against Russian systems and wagner terrorists were being exported and taught to the ukrainians, as a result it played a part in Russias failed assualt on Kiev. Today the Russians are globally humilated and on their way to being removed from Ukraine completely.

Your analysis on events is very simple if i'm being honest. Putin is done and nuking somewhere basically guarantees his death and the end of Russia, and always remember he's a billionaire and material men don't want to die.

Putins invasion also pushed every european nation into the hands of NATO, it alienated the central asian states and most nations on earth now see Russia as an enemy. Putin what a genius, the biggest idiot on earth couldnt have done this much damage to Russia.

And just think Russia hardware got screwed by Turkish drone warfare in 3 prior theatres, Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan did Putin do anything to counter this massive deficiency before invading Ukraine, absolutely not. Brainless.

 

[Azbaroj]

But he screwed up in Ukraine which was a bigger price than any of those.

Russia actually had the initiative against us Turks in the geopolitical arena now they have pissed it all in the drain.

Putins chess game is unraveling.

Definitely Putin is total screwed in Ukraine .
If we want to read Putin we have to know KGB mind set .
Here is just my some personal findings about Putin .
1. Putin is not a military leader or war strategist.
He was an espionage agent , expert in kiling , assassinating , exploiting , back stabbing and many more.
Is it normal in world history to lost so many generals in a small conflict ?
I don't think so . Perhaps these generals were not so Pro putinist , so Putin let them to die in warfields .
2. So many CEOs and corporate heads , businessman , political leaders died unusually . In one point all of them were same and they all expressed their different opinions and they were eliminated .
3. In Ukraine Putin had not a plan B , he had only plan A and it was march through keyve .
These are only my personal opinion only .

 

[Era_shield]

You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .

Ever heard of the Vietnam War? Should Vietnam have let the US win to help them "save face"? And what about the Soviet war in Afghanistan? The US war in Afghanistan?

The tactics you're arguing for are called "appeasement" and it's the same failed simp strategy that started WW2.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .

Fine. Give Myanmar land to achieve peace on your Eastern border. Good idea, right?