Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Gary]

Are we gonna dump SU27/30 to other country?

We should ask for some sort of ringtausch. Our Su-27 for Ukraine exchanged for F-16

 

[schuimpjes]

Initially considered for training missions in France

Just searched "Qatari Mirage 2000" and voila

Private contractor acquires Qatari Mirage 2000s to train French Air Force - AeroTime

A French private company, ARES (Advanced REDAIR European Squadron), acquired 12 Qatar Mirage 2000 fighters to provide training to fighter pilots of the French Navy, the French newspaper Les Echos reports. Much like the United States Air Force that recently awarded $6.4 billion worth of contracts...

www.google.com

 

[NEKO]

We should ask for some sort of ringtausch. Our Su-27 for Ukraine exchanged for F-16

That means Russia will be angered, that is not something that the govt would like to see.

Indonesia is just like to play it safe.

 

[Parry Brima]

Qatar's French Mirage head for Jakarta

Initially considered for training missions in France, then promised to Bulgaria, 12 French Air Force Mirage will instead wing their way to Indonesia, whose government is trying to wean itself off Russian material.

FRANCE/INDONESIA/QATAR : Qatar's French Mirage head for Jakarta - 20/10/2022 - Intelligence Online

Initially considered for training missions in France, then promised to Bulgaria, 12 French Air Force Mirage will instead wing their way to Indonesia, whose government is trying to wean itself off - 10/20/2022

www.intelligenceonline.com

$734 mil for 12 second hand Mirage 2000? That's super expensive.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1549121326673145856

 

[schuimpjes]

We should ask for some sort of ringtausch. Our Su-27 for Ukraine exchanged for F-16

That means Russia will be angered, that is not something that the govt would like to see.

Indonesia is just like to play it safe.

-Sell it to some random countries else than Ukraine and US or some companies

-Let US buy that

-Enjoy. You're clean, we're not arming Ukraine. Kongkalikong with US and the third party (country or company) is a must to do that.

 

[NEKO]

If we were to acquire a new type of fighter hopefully it will be more than a meager 12 unit.

Any news from UAE?

 

[Umigami]

Qatar's French Mirage head for Jakarta​

Initially considered for training missions in France, then promised to Bulgaria, 12 French Air Force Mirage will instead wing their way to Indonesia, whose government is trying to wean itself off Russian material.

FRANCE/INDONESIA/QATAR : Qatar's French Mirage head for Jakarta - 20/10/2022 - Intelligence Online

Initially considered for training missions in France, then promised to Bulgaria, 12 French Air Force Mirage will instead wing their way to Indonesia, whose government is trying to wean itself off - 10/20/2022

www.intelligenceonline.com

fully Qatar and no UAE ?

 

[Gary]

$734 mil for 12 second hand Mirage 2000? That's super expensive.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1549121326673145856

What a bizarre revelation. That's close to an F-35 unit price.

 

[Cromwell]

That cost come at high price due to training cost, logistic cost, armaments, etc. We are introducing new type of aircraft here. This is no Peace Bima Sena II, also as previously things i said about being broker or middle men, there are things better left unsaid

 

[Madokafc]

That means Russia will be angered, that is not something that the govt would like to see.

Indonesia is just like to play it safe.

Indonesia had been stamped as US cronies by the Russian (Kremlin) since they are selling intact mig 21, Tu 16 bomber, il 28 Beagle, S 75 Dvina SAM along with their infrastructure, spare part, manual training, ground crew, to the detail like pilots manifest and even not to mention advance weaponry like air launched AShM, and submarine launched missile is not being spared.

 

[schuimpjes]

$734 mil for 12 second hand Mirage 2000? That's super expensive.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1549121326673145856

Same planes? Damn if yes lol. Qatar looks like just want to dump it

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291479748_India_revisits_Qatari_Mirage_option

 

[Lordimperator]

Same planes? Damn if yes lol. Qatar looks like just want to dump it

India eyeing 12 fighters with 500 A2A, A2G missiles for usd 600mil?

 

[schuimpjes]

India eyeing 12 fighters with 500 A2A, A2G missiles for usd 600mil?

If this also case for Indonesia, we armed our next Rafale too with this potential Mirage 2000 procurement.

 

[Lordimperator]

If this also case for Indonesia, we armed our next Rafale too with this potential Mirage 2000 procurement.

Based on the article from the link

India indicated a willingness to pay around USD600 million for the fighters and a host of additional armaments, including 500 air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles.

What kind of air to surface missiles?

 

[Madokafc]

Based on the article from the link


What kind of air to surface missiles?

Mica and APACHE, maybe along with Hammer and so on.

 

[Lordimperator]

APACHE

Finally such a thing for AURI, apache is predecessor of SCALP, no?

Qatar takes first Mirage 2000s

Julian Moxon/Paris Dassault Aviation has delivered the first three of 12 Mirage 2000-5 fighters to Qatar from its factory in Merignac, Bordeaux, as it continues to battle to win a major order for up to 80 aircraft from the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The versions delivered ...

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Parry Brima]

If this also case for Indonesia, we armed our next Rafale too with this potential Mirage 2000 procurement.

The reason why Qatar wanted to get rid of their M2K was because they bought Rafale.

Surely they'd prefer to keep those missiles for their brand new Rafales.

Unless the majority of them is Mica.

 

[NEKO]

This Mirage will be an easy and fast way to increase the quantity of our fighter, but then again it won't be long for our Hawk to be replaced and the quantity of our fighters will drop again.

Still remember this?

"Secara bertahap, pesawat Hawak akan kita ganti dengan pesawat baru generasi 4,5 (empat setengah). Sesuai Rencana Strategis dan MEF IV, kami akan remajakan secara bertahap (Hawk 100/200)," ujar KSAU pada 2018 lalu. "Rencananya, penggantinya adalah pesawat tempur generasi 4,5 atau di atasnya. Proses pengajuan saat ini sedang berjalan," katanya.

Proses penggantian BAE Hawk 200 TT 0209H memang direncanakan akan dimulai tahun ini. Akan tetapi, sejumlah kabar mengenai pengganti jet tempur itu beredar ke permukaan.

Terungkap, TNI AU Pernah Ajukan Pengganti Jet Tempur BAE Hawk 200

Jet tempur BAE Hawk 200 TT 0209H jatuh di Riau pagi ini.

www.viva.co.id

I am not sure about now wether they will continue with the plans because its already few years, we don't have what is called consistency and commitment with planning.
But at least TNI AU already showing intentions to replace Hawk.

 

[Madokafc]

This Mirage will be an easy and fast way to increase the quantity of our fighter, but then again it won't be long for our Hawk to be replaced and the quantity of our fighters will drop again.

Still remember this?

I am not sure about now wether they will continue with the plans because its already few years, we don't have what is called consistency and commitment with planning.
But at least TNI AU already showing intentions to replace Hawk.

Hawk would be replaced by IFX

 

[Lordimperator]

Let US buy that

Sell to whom? India and Vietnam has close ties with Ru, doubt they will resell it to US.