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Out of the 60 visually confirmed fixed wing aircraft losses of the Russian side, 22 of them are of this type (Su-25).
Worst performing aircraft along the rotary wing Ka-52 in this conflict.
These used to be very strong assets to any army up to the 90's but they're old and outdated, also, low flying in order not to get detected by radar may have worked decades ago, but this is currently almost useless especially for countries with AWACS.
Ukraine has none, but it's getting info from NATO which always has EW aircraft flying nearby.
That being said, the Su-25 has been one of my favourite Soviet planes, alongside the MiG-25 and the Tu-22M.
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Military cooperation between Russia and China has reached a new level. The air group consisting of Tu-95ms strategic missile carriers of the Russian Air Force and Xian H-6K strategic bombers of the Chinese Air Force conducted air patrols over the waters of the Japan and East China Seas. Russian Su-30cm and Su-35s aircraft provided escort for the air group. For the first time in the course of joint air patrols, Russian Tu-95ms aircraft landed at an airfield in the People's Republic of China. Also, Chinese Xian H-6K bombers landed at an airfield in Russia. The landings of the Russian Tu-95s were actively filmed by the inhabitants of China, shots at the end of the video.
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A new way to protect Russian aircraft from homing missiles was proposed by scientists from the All-Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics. There is no video of this, so we just explain. Scientists propose to tow decoys from metallized balls connected by cable segments behind aircraft. Balls and their diameter are selected in such a way that the decoy could imitate another aircraft, more visible to radars and missile homing systems.
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The Gagarin Plant has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of fifth-generation Su-57 production aircraft. The plant plans to increase the production and production of such aircraft. The Su-57 fighter made its first flight in 2010, and in 2020 it began to enter the troops. Serial deliveries of the aircraft began only in 2022. By the end of 2024, the Russian Air Force should receive 22 fighters, by 2028 their number in the troops will be increased to 76 aircraft.
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I am VERY impressed!
Not sure of how many copies is in a "batch" , but over the next 24 months they should have a total of 22 Su-57s. Then over the next 48 months they will produce 54 aircraft. Near enough to ONE a month.
I wonder how that production rate compares with the T-14 tank which is suspect is much less than one a month.
....and I wonder how it will go in Ukraine, IF they are still fighting that losing battle.
"The Red Army can be at the Channel in 3 weeks", that prediction scared me to death back in the day.
Not sure of how many copies is in a "batch" , but over the next 24 months they should have a total of 22 Su-57s. Then over the next 48 months they will produce 54 aircraft. Near enough to ONE a month.
I wonder how that production rate compares with the T-14 tank which is suspect is much less than one a month.
....and I wonder how it will go in Ukraine, IF they are still fighting that losing battle.
"The Red Army can be at the Channel in 3 weeks", that prediction scared me to death back in the day.
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Ukrainian soldiers saying they lose 5 for every 1 Russian soldier does not seem like a losing battle though.
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Your BS Detector is faulty!
Russians have been telling lies since 1917.
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Russians have been telling lies since 1917.
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I am creating a thread for people like you I will link it to you once I am done
Edit: here you go https://defencehub.live/threads/russia-vs-thread.16167/
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Are you telling me that our peace loving Russian brothers are WINNING this war?
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Russia has TWO of them?
I remember reading a year or so ago that they only had 7 airworthy copies of the Tu-22.
Maybe the other 5 have crashed?
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I remember reading a year or so ago that they only had 7 airworthy copies of the Tu-22.
Maybe the other 5 have crashed?
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They didnt say Russia has only 2 of them, it could they several others somewhere else
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Going to touch up on their ongoing projects with aircrafts and drones which will be spread into multiple parts than talk about their microwave, laser and EW systems.
Su-57
76 of these are to be purchased and delivered to the Russian armed forces in which there are 10 testing and 7 that are serially produced. The aircraft has gone through modifications and upgrades in which we will have a lot to cover on this aircraft project than we do with others here so expect long texts on this aircraft.
The 1st stage engines are the AL-41F1S engines which have a reduced RCS and infrared signature than the engines used on the Su-35. They modified the Su-27 to have flat square nozzles like the F-22 but rejected it because of maneuverability performances since they found a way using aerosol on the engines which give it a 3 to 3 in half times infrared reduction according to reference 1 and chose serrated nozzles for reduced RCS, then again reference 4 suggests they will bring flat nozzles back that can alter their configurations whenever using afterburners. The 2nd stage engine offers super maneuverability, fuel efficiency to be increased 1.2 to 1.5 times, increased thrust to weight ratio, better stealth, also range is currently unknown while the 1st stage offered 3,500kms max range, also Russia is working on two new separate variable 3 stream cycle engine designs where one is based on high supersonic conditions and the other is just regular design. 25 of the 76 aircrafts in order will have the new engines and avionics. The air intakes are curved in the Su-57 and not straight according to reference 5. A full S-duct was not chosen you get larger frontal area, thus worse drag coefficient, and it kills aircraft top speed and acceleration. You are basically flying a brick at that point. In addition, because of all the gymnastics the air flow to the engine has to do with the S-duct, you get worse air flow to the engine, and even less performance. That and the fixed inlets are why certain aircrafts cannot super cruise and cannot reach Mach 2. The Su-57 uses a smoother partial S-duct, with less of a bend, it achieves some reduction of frontal engine profile, without killing performance too much, so it can go over Mach 2, and it can super cruise, even with the first stage engines. The engines also have a radar blocker in the intake to reduce RCS. Finally, it can apply the engine mesh screens to further reduce radar profile of the engine in case you need to, at cost of speed, and the second stage engine will have composite fan blades, and treatments to reduce RCS of the engine in the frontal aspect even without the mesh screens being engaged or without having S-ducts all in accordance to reference 7 and fan blades are made of composite along with RAM coating. Uses internal weapons bays for stealth and the canopy glass uses material that reduce the RCS of the aircraft.
The next portion in this paragraph will be about all the sensors in the aircraft. The 101KS-V is an IRST with 180-degree near infrared coverage which is the bulb in front of the aircraft and when not in use gets turned back where the backside of the sensor is covered with RAM. 101KS-U/01/02 works in the UV band while the 101KS-O work in the infrared range but currently classified if working in short or medium infrared detection and utilizes DIRCM against incoming air to air missiles. The sensors are placed above and below the aircraft. 101KS-P uses infrared camera stored under the wings to help map terrain working with the radar got low altitude flights. 101KS-N is an advanced navigation and targeting system/pod on the aircraft. UV-50-01 is a chaff and flare dispenser for the aircraft it has 9 cartridges of these in the aircraft having 14 each for a total of 126 to be used depending on the situation. Sh-111 communication systems will be replaced on the aircraft in the modernization upgrade. Byelka radar has been updated with 6 radar systems instead of 5 this was officially confirmed on reference 10 for NIIPs website and even a KRET official confirmed that there is active radar detection from the back. The Byelka radar has 1,514 X-band modules on the nose and two on the sides with 404 X-band modules totaling it to 2,322 X-band modules, then there are two additional L-band radars on the wings and the number of modules for each is unknown to me. However, they announced radar antennas have been added in the back on the NIIPs website and what frequency those modules are is unknown to me. Reference 17 states they added new T/R modules in 2014 Rostec book that were GaN UHF modules for the Himalayas drone, then states Su-34, Su-35 and Krasukha-4 were to receive these, and these three aircrafts were modified in 2016, 2017, and 2018 receiving new airborne EW versions. 2019 announcement from Niip stating there would be not enough time for GaN production line for the radars to be replaced, however the modernization of the upgraded avionics began in 2022-2024. From 2014 to as late as 2022 from reference 10 ROFAR is highly anticipated for the Su-57 and the full production for photonic integrated circuits is to start in 2024. Vega.su website is down, KRET website is down, aorti.ru got rid of all their magazines on the special projects sections which all gave some characteristics about photonic radars, fpi.gov.ru where they showcased the photonic radars antenna is also down, but I already have the image saved. All and all based on maneuverability, stealth, 360 degree coverage based on a very wide electromagnetic spectrum, and many countermeasures it will be extremely difficult to hit the aircraft with a missile. Because of stealth and approaching another stealth aircraft the distance closes until either will be seen on radar and the closer you are the little more important maneuverability will become. Based on all the radar modules around its body and additional antennas placed in the back with the Himalayas EW system it's going to jam the living hell out of the adversary aircraft and utilize DIRCM to be used against infrared homing air to air missiles, then chaffs and flares are used to misguide the incoming air to air missiles if DIRCM or its entire jamming capabilities didn't work out. combining 360-degree active X-band, passive, infrared and UV coverage with sensor fusion into MIRES will offer insane precision of what course of action to take (heavy jamming, DIRCM, flares and chaffs, change directions) and photonic radars will go into the 100ghz band offering even more insane precision in tracking incoming targets and the photonic radar antennas are as thin as paper that can be placed anywhere in the aircraft which might even host the idea of miniature missiles for self-protection like some of their bombers I will discuss here later. According to reference 27 and 28 for project Megapolis pilots can control the aircraft using their eyes and they will have fiberoptic and acoustic sensors to monitor the material or engine's service life or if maintenance is required.
Alright next we will talk about weapons and the good news about talking about them right now is that I can save myself the time from having to discuss them again for other drone/fighter/stealth aircrafts until we get to the heavy bomber section. The Su-57 can carry two hypersonic air to ground missiles internally and the name of the new missile being developed is called the Gremlin no information is disclosed if it's a solid fuel or airbreathing missile. For reference 34, 35, and 36 I have made a decision that the amount of internal missiles it carried before would be increased to store more because of new missiles offering folding wings and the patents of the design. At best based on the configurations of I have seen in those 3 references, 8 K-77Ms possible, with 2 short range missiles inside the wing bay roots for 10 air to air missiles with a stealth profile(there are comedians in the forum pushing for 12 like cat matroskin), 8 air to air internal missiles if the configuration for 3 max in each bay, or worst case scenario the new missiles they are designing stayed the same in size just making it carry 2 in each bay amounting to 6. But there is something that caught my interest and that is when Paralay in his own created forum stated that 8 UAVs with a length of 1.5 meters can fit into one compartment, considering that I looked at the CUDA length and considering that the Su-57 is to receive new missiles for the 2022-2024 Megapolis project upgrade it is possible for the best case scenario that 18 missiles with all internal compartments can be possible to fit in the Su-57. R-77s were used before to shoot down other missiles but if the new air to air missiles arrive for this purpose than pretty much this can serve as a hard kill APS which would work beautifully for a 360-degree active passive radar(wide band), infrared and UV sensor fused data being processed to tracking incoming missiles or aircrafts. I would probably put this aircraft in the 6th gen realm.
1. 18 air to air missiles if they go for a CUDA kind of design to match their 1.5 meter length therefore have options to use it as a hard kill APS because of all the sensors that offer the aircraft 360 degree coverage in a very wide band where data is fused offering targeting that offers insane precision in which with the current order of 76 it is possible to shoot down 1,368 aerial targets. It is possible to achieve 1.5 meter missiles if they are testing quadpack pantsir missiles that are 1 meter in length.
2. Photonic radars which I heard are impossible to suppress by jamming to lower their performance because of a 200-decibel limit because of the crystals that there is nothing on earth that has the energy to produce a 200 decibel power from reference 37. Also most air-to-air missiles using active homing heads that work bands higher than X-band meaning that photonic integrated circuits in the aircraft have the frequency to jam them. This means that this would be the most protected aircraft because it could use missiles for self defense, DIRCM to blind infrared seekers and PICs to jam the host active radars in air to air missiles and use chaffs and flares to further deceive radar/infrared homing heads on missiles.
3. upgrading it with the variable 3 stream cycle engine.
K-77M has a max 193km range, while the Ramjet version will have a longer range than this. K-74M2 is a short range missile with 40km range and K-37M being their long-range version will have a 400km range which 4 would fit internally and as far as I know there is no ramjet version, or we can be surprised if they reveal the new weapons they had planned for the Su-57 upgrade. ROFAR radar according to KRET states it can see a person from 500kms away identifying their face so if the missiles are not long enough there are sources that state the S-500 have 600km range SAM missiles since they can share data in case adversary aircrafts are below the radar horizon. 4 kh-59MK2s can fit in the Su-57 in which these missiles have a 500km range, fly at mach 0.8, delivers a payload of 320kg with a 3-meter CEP for accuracy flying at altitudes of either 11kms or 50 meters. The Grom-E1 is a glide bomb with a 120km range with a 315kg warhead and can be launched from 500 meters to 11kms and the Grom-E2 has a 50km range but has two warheads where one is 315kg and the other is 165kg with a total of 480kg payload and 4 of these can fit inside. The Kh-38 has a 300km range flies at 10-15 meters above ground and when in terminal flies 4 meters above ground, has a 50km range seeker, 320kg warhead, flies at mach 1 and two of these can fit in Su-57. Kh-58 are antiradiation missiles where 4 can fit in Su-57, mach 3.6 speeds and 250km ranges and warheads weight 149kg. The drill bomb is a 500kg bomb that uses infrared and radar targeting releasing 15 self-aiming warheads are than used at a column of tanks or missile batteries, how much carried is unknown. Just like the air to air to missiles I will wait and see what the configurations will be for air to ground missiles or bombs for the Su-57. But when compared to other aircrafts Su-57 has very heavy payloads like its task was meant to get the job done.
Su-75
When other 5th gens are like the latest PlayStation and Xbox consoles this aircraft is pretty much like an open architecture gaming PC where you can build it and put whatever you want in it. The aircraft will come in 3 versions which is single seat, double seat and a UAV version. Comes in a 3000km max range and the UAV version would have more space estimating an increase from 6000 liters to 7000 liters thus more range. Costs are estimated between 25 million to 30 million dollars for a 5th gen aircraft. Radar is a smaller N036 version that tracks 30 targets and engages 6 while Schwabe Russia's infrared sensor company signed a contract to give new EO sensors to the aircraft, keep in mind that this aircraft is open architecture for avionics. So, radar provides 120-degree coverage, 360-degree passive radar and EO infrared detection with 180-degree infrared IRST system. Cost wise in-flight hours it claims to be several times cheaper when compared to other aircrafts and maintenance wise it will like the Su-57 have fiber optic cables spread throughout its body to monitor and wear and tear and Russia has additive composite with planned electrical conductivity, plastic deformation threshold ,resistance to oxidation and high thermal tolerance, literally perfect for a very low effective area of dispersion airframe with dozen of times less susceptibility to wear and tear in comparison with existing solutions could in live test prove to be inefficient by something so trivial such as buffeting vibrations causing joint points to progressively deformate. Based on the aircrafts features I don't see any horizontal stabilizers thus reducing RCS in the process, so assumption is made that the TVC technology is advanced enough that they decided they don't need stabilizers, thus reducing drag. If they have the 3D nozzle, it would be good for some maneuvers (yaw control). If not, it is not the end of the world. The plane is already controllable in stall events with the 2D TVC. Current order is unknown but they are expecting 300 for customers, flight date was pushed back to 2025, no idea on the production date.
From the design I see one large internal ventral bay in the center of the aircraft with two additional internal weapons bays on the side of the wings. Placement of 3 medium range air to air missiles with 2 small range air to air missiles seem feasible for its design. And as some footage show 2 large air to ground missiles or bombs can fit in the internal weapons bay storage or any small size bombs or air to ground missiles on the other two sides by the wing roots since the size of those are currently unknown. Same weapons as the Su-57 can be used but possibly with a reduced number because of weapon bay size.
PAK-DP/Mig-41/6th Gen Fighter
Usually when you go one generation up on aircraft designs it's supposed to have a significant advantage based on new principles that gives it an edge over the previous generation, but I am not seeing it other than it looks like a marketing ploy. If anyone asks what me what defines a 6th gen, I will state higher altitudes higher speeds, possible new radar breakthroughs in detection and a complete AI function as it would make sense for me. A layman's example from me would be 4th generation designs would get shot down by 5th generation aircrafts because of their reduced radar signature which 4th generation designs don't have if they had the same radars, but the advantage of a 6th generation aircraft would have to get an edge over a 5th generation aircraft is higher altitudes which would significantly reduce the range of air to air weapons on a 5th generation aircraft targeting a 6th generation aircraft and the 6th generation aircraft will see the top side of a 5th generation aircraft from higher altitudes which would have a huge RCS reflection thus 4th generation and 5th generation or even previous generation aircrafts can't get an edge over the 6th generation aircraft because of its new concept design just like stealth is the concept design for a 5th generation aircraft. Anyone that shows me a stealth design being a higher generation than another stealth design just makes my eyes roll to the back of my head.
KRET, Sukhoi, UAC Mikoyan, various officials from these company's state work is underway for a 6th gen aircraft but what designs and what features and what concepts they will use question rather if it's just one 6th gen design or a 2nd 6th gen design. Lyulka few years ago have done ground tests for variable 3 stream cycle engines and pulse detonation engines, sadly i can't display the video ground tests because like the photonic radar sources the websites for these are down as well. Some engine designers for alleged 6th generation aircrafts state variable 3 stream cycle engines define 6th gen aircrafts which combines the benefits of low and high bypass ratio engine designs, or in my opinion be pulse detonation engines which offered 50% more thrust and increase range 1.3 to 1.5 times, be used for hypersonic aircraft as well. Russia has designed new aviation material they called Aristide that can be used to replace aluminum and titanium besides composites that are used on all aircrafts. The new material is 27 times lighter than aluminum and 43 times lighter than titanium meaning you can increase the thrust to weight ratio increasing the speed of aircrafts. It has impact resistance such as if the material is 3mm thick, it can hold a shot from a gun in which only the surface layer would be damaged and then it will recover itself. So does self-generation capabilities define a 6th gen aircraft although how thick does the material have to be and it is fire resistant with a 1300 Celsius threshold so question of rather it can stop 30mm canons from aircrafts or air to air missiles depending on warheads is another fun theory worth questioning. Between 6th generation radar and communication devices which defines a 6th gen design is it GaN MMICs or PIC circuits? GaN will be a great asset for 5G cellular networks for reference 50, while Russians state that PICs will be great for 6G cellular networks offering 400 gigabits per second using 100ghz waves for communication. GaN AESA is labeled 6th gen radar but a photonic radar is also labeled a 6th gen radar for using the 100ghz band, reducing background noise 100 times lower than conventional radars where seeing a 1m2 target at a certain distance would allow the photonic radar to see a smaller target of .01m2 at the same distance or visually seeing a person's face from 500kms away. Russians also have done project Thor or project breakthrough testing hypersonic vehicles with radars on them with successful results. another 6th gen claim is them developing a new air to air missile for their hypersonic interceptor to use the MFRK DP which is a missile with a 700km range and launches several K-77Ms with their additional distance added to hit targets. RAM, shape and plasma reduces radar cross section, but metamaterial can also reduce the RCS where the aircraft does not need to change shape keeping the advantages of aerodynamics according to some claims based on design so this can be a 6th gen feature as well. Some say a missile for self-defense targeting other missiles can be 6th gen but it was done before or a laser that can physically destroy missiles. Having 360-degree wideband radar, infrared and UV coverage can also be claimed as 6th gen. Controlling UAVs can also be considered 6th gen, etc. To each his own but there will be ongoing arguments between people of what is defined as 5th gen plus or 6th gen.
PAK-DA
Now this is a project that holds promise and finally Tupolev is designing a new stealth bomber although it won't be supersonic like this art picture depicts, I still see this as a pointless project just because the Su-70 exists. No idea if the journalist is quoting an official or not but article states the radar cross section will be lowered several orders of magnitude in which at this point it's like they are challenging the U.S. on who makes the most egregious claims on stealth but of course states its designed against NATO defenses which has yet to be seen. Will use and EW and radar system along with the use of air-to-air missiles and air to ground missiles that will be hypersonic along with some missiles having artificial intelligence. Might use air to air missiles like the latest Tu-160 which I will cover for self-defense. All weapons will be internal and obviously there is no information yet on how many weapons it can carry. The stealth aircraft has been built; parachutes have been tested, and engines have completed ground tests, so it seems this project is being taken seriously. Can command and control drones as well.
PAK-VTA/Slon/PAK-TA
Because of relations with Ukraine Antonov cannot produce the Antonov series aircraft to carry heavy equipment for Russia but that might change because of 1. their new projects and 2. the outcome of the war. The Slon has a 7000km range, speed of 850km/hr and can carry a load of 180 tons. Range of the PAK-VTA is 5000kms and the speed is 850km/hr as well. The PAK-VTA has a on-board defense complex with a 90% change to defeat MANPADS such as Stinger, Mistral or Needle. Also, measures were taken to reduce optical, radar, laser, acoustic visibility, as well as radio visibility during tests. The Slon is to be completed in 2025 and production to start in 2028. PAK-VTA flight tests are expected somewhere between 2024-2026. The PAK-TA is to fly at supersonic speeds of up to 2,000 km/hr and carry up to 200 tons with a range of 7,000 km and 2016 source expects project to be implemented in 2030.
References will be on 3rd section.
Su-57
76 of these are to be purchased and delivered to the Russian armed forces in which there are 10 testing and 7 that are serially produced. The aircraft has gone through modifications and upgrades in which we will have a lot to cover on this aircraft project than we do with others here so expect long texts on this aircraft.
The 1st stage engines are the AL-41F1S engines which have a reduced RCS and infrared signature than the engines used on the Su-35. They modified the Su-27 to have flat square nozzles like the F-22 but rejected it because of maneuverability performances since they found a way using aerosol on the engines which give it a 3 to 3 in half times infrared reduction according to reference 1 and chose serrated nozzles for reduced RCS, then again reference 4 suggests they will bring flat nozzles back that can alter their configurations whenever using afterburners. The 2nd stage engine offers super maneuverability, fuel efficiency to be increased 1.2 to 1.5 times, increased thrust to weight ratio, better stealth, also range is currently unknown while the 1st stage offered 3,500kms max range, also Russia is working on two new separate variable 3 stream cycle engine designs where one is based on high supersonic conditions and the other is just regular design. 25 of the 76 aircrafts in order will have the new engines and avionics. The air intakes are curved in the Su-57 and not straight according to reference 5. A full S-duct was not chosen you get larger frontal area, thus worse drag coefficient, and it kills aircraft top speed and acceleration. You are basically flying a brick at that point. In addition, because of all the gymnastics the air flow to the engine has to do with the S-duct, you get worse air flow to the engine, and even less performance. That and the fixed inlets are why certain aircrafts cannot super cruise and cannot reach Mach 2. The Su-57 uses a smoother partial S-duct, with less of a bend, it achieves some reduction of frontal engine profile, without killing performance too much, so it can go over Mach 2, and it can super cruise, even with the first stage engines. The engines also have a radar blocker in the intake to reduce RCS. Finally, it can apply the engine mesh screens to further reduce radar profile of the engine in case you need to, at cost of speed, and the second stage engine will have composite fan blades, and treatments to reduce RCS of the engine in the frontal aspect even without the mesh screens being engaged or without having S-ducts all in accordance to reference 7 and fan blades are made of composite along with RAM coating. Uses internal weapons bays for stealth and the canopy glass uses material that reduce the RCS of the aircraft.
The next portion in this paragraph will be about all the sensors in the aircraft. The 101KS-V is an IRST with 180-degree near infrared coverage which is the bulb in front of the aircraft and when not in use gets turned back where the backside of the sensor is covered with RAM. 101KS-U/01/02 works in the UV band while the 101KS-O work in the infrared range but currently classified if working in short or medium infrared detection and utilizes DIRCM against incoming air to air missiles. The sensors are placed above and below the aircraft. 101KS-P uses infrared camera stored under the wings to help map terrain working with the radar got low altitude flights. 101KS-N is an advanced navigation and targeting system/pod on the aircraft. UV-50-01 is a chaff and flare dispenser for the aircraft it has 9 cartridges of these in the aircraft having 14 each for a total of 126 to be used depending on the situation. Sh-111 communication systems will be replaced on the aircraft in the modernization upgrade. Byelka radar has been updated with 6 radar systems instead of 5 this was officially confirmed on reference 10 for NIIPs website and even a KRET official confirmed that there is active radar detection from the back. The Byelka radar has 1,514 X-band modules on the nose and two on the sides with 404 X-band modules totaling it to 2,322 X-band modules, then there are two additional L-band radars on the wings and the number of modules for each is unknown to me. However, they announced radar antennas have been added in the back on the NIIPs website and what frequency those modules are is unknown to me. Reference 17 states they added new T/R modules in 2014 Rostec book that were GaN UHF modules for the Himalayas drone, then states Su-34, Su-35 and Krasukha-4 were to receive these, and these three aircrafts were modified in 2016, 2017, and 2018 receiving new airborne EW versions. 2019 announcement from Niip stating there would be not enough time for GaN production line for the radars to be replaced, however the modernization of the upgraded avionics began in 2022-2024. From 2014 to as late as 2022 from reference 10 ROFAR is highly anticipated for the Su-57 and the full production for photonic integrated circuits is to start in 2024. Vega.su website is down, KRET website is down, aorti.ru got rid of all their magazines on the special projects sections which all gave some characteristics about photonic radars, fpi.gov.ru where they showcased the photonic radars antenna is also down, but I already have the image saved. All and all based on maneuverability, stealth, 360 degree coverage based on a very wide electromagnetic spectrum, and many countermeasures it will be extremely difficult to hit the aircraft with a missile. Because of stealth and approaching another stealth aircraft the distance closes until either will be seen on radar and the closer you are the little more important maneuverability will become. Based on all the radar modules around its body and additional antennas placed in the back with the Himalayas EW system it's going to jam the living hell out of the adversary aircraft and utilize DIRCM to be used against infrared homing air to air missiles, then chaffs and flares are used to misguide the incoming air to air missiles if DIRCM or its entire jamming capabilities didn't work out. combining 360-degree active X-band, passive, infrared and UV coverage with sensor fusion into MIRES will offer insane precision of what course of action to take (heavy jamming, DIRCM, flares and chaffs, change directions) and photonic radars will go into the 100ghz band offering even more insane precision in tracking incoming targets and the photonic radar antennas are as thin as paper that can be placed anywhere in the aircraft which might even host the idea of miniature missiles for self-protection like some of their bombers I will discuss here later. According to reference 27 and 28 for project Megapolis pilots can control the aircraft using their eyes and they will have fiberoptic and acoustic sensors to monitor the material or engine's service life or if maintenance is required.
Alright next we will talk about weapons and the good news about talking about them right now is that I can save myself the time from having to discuss them again for other drone/fighter/stealth aircrafts until we get to the heavy bomber section. The Su-57 can carry two hypersonic air to ground missiles internally and the name of the new missile being developed is called the Gremlin no information is disclosed if it's a solid fuel or airbreathing missile. For reference 34, 35, and 36 I have made a decision that the amount of internal missiles it carried before would be increased to store more because of new missiles offering folding wings and the patents of the design. At best based on the configurations of I have seen in those 3 references, 8 K-77Ms possible, with 2 short range missiles inside the wing bay roots for 10 air to air missiles with a stealth profile(there are comedians in the forum pushing for 12 like cat matroskin), 8 air to air internal missiles if the configuration for 3 max in each bay, or worst case scenario the new missiles they are designing stayed the same in size just making it carry 2 in each bay amounting to 6. But there is something that caught my interest and that is when Paralay in his own created forum stated that 8 UAVs with a length of 1.5 meters can fit into one compartment, considering that I looked at the CUDA length and considering that the Su-57 is to receive new missiles for the 2022-2024 Megapolis project upgrade it is possible for the best case scenario that 18 missiles with all internal compartments can be possible to fit in the Su-57. R-77s were used before to shoot down other missiles but if the new air to air missiles arrive for this purpose than pretty much this can serve as a hard kill APS which would work beautifully for a 360-degree active passive radar(wide band), infrared and UV sensor fused data being processed to tracking incoming missiles or aircrafts. I would probably put this aircraft in the 6th gen realm.
1. 18 air to air missiles if they go for a CUDA kind of design to match their 1.5 meter length therefore have options to use it as a hard kill APS because of all the sensors that offer the aircraft 360 degree coverage in a very wide band where data is fused offering targeting that offers insane precision in which with the current order of 76 it is possible to shoot down 1,368 aerial targets. It is possible to achieve 1.5 meter missiles if they are testing quadpack pantsir missiles that are 1 meter in length.
2. Photonic radars which I heard are impossible to suppress by jamming to lower their performance because of a 200-decibel limit because of the crystals that there is nothing on earth that has the energy to produce a 200 decibel power from reference 37. Also most air-to-air missiles using active homing heads that work bands higher than X-band meaning that photonic integrated circuits in the aircraft have the frequency to jam them. This means that this would be the most protected aircraft because it could use missiles for self defense, DIRCM to blind infrared seekers and PICs to jam the host active radars in air to air missiles and use chaffs and flares to further deceive radar/infrared homing heads on missiles.
3. upgrading it with the variable 3 stream cycle engine.
K-77M has a max 193km range, while the Ramjet version will have a longer range than this. K-74M2 is a short range missile with 40km range and K-37M being their long-range version will have a 400km range which 4 would fit internally and as far as I know there is no ramjet version, or we can be surprised if they reveal the new weapons they had planned for the Su-57 upgrade. ROFAR radar according to KRET states it can see a person from 500kms away identifying their face so if the missiles are not long enough there are sources that state the S-500 have 600km range SAM missiles since they can share data in case adversary aircrafts are below the radar horizon. 4 kh-59MK2s can fit in the Su-57 in which these missiles have a 500km range, fly at mach 0.8, delivers a payload of 320kg with a 3-meter CEP for accuracy flying at altitudes of either 11kms or 50 meters. The Grom-E1 is a glide bomb with a 120km range with a 315kg warhead and can be launched from 500 meters to 11kms and the Grom-E2 has a 50km range but has two warheads where one is 315kg and the other is 165kg with a total of 480kg payload and 4 of these can fit inside. The Kh-38 has a 300km range flies at 10-15 meters above ground and when in terminal flies 4 meters above ground, has a 50km range seeker, 320kg warhead, flies at mach 1 and two of these can fit in Su-57. Kh-58 are antiradiation missiles where 4 can fit in Su-57, mach 3.6 speeds and 250km ranges and warheads weight 149kg. The drill bomb is a 500kg bomb that uses infrared and radar targeting releasing 15 self-aiming warheads are than used at a column of tanks or missile batteries, how much carried is unknown. Just like the air to air to missiles I will wait and see what the configurations will be for air to ground missiles or bombs for the Su-57. But when compared to other aircrafts Su-57 has very heavy payloads like its task was meant to get the job done.
Su-75
When other 5th gens are like the latest PlayStation and Xbox consoles this aircraft is pretty much like an open architecture gaming PC where you can build it and put whatever you want in it. The aircraft will come in 3 versions which is single seat, double seat and a UAV version. Comes in a 3000km max range and the UAV version would have more space estimating an increase from 6000 liters to 7000 liters thus more range. Costs are estimated between 25 million to 30 million dollars for a 5th gen aircraft. Radar is a smaller N036 version that tracks 30 targets and engages 6 while Schwabe Russia's infrared sensor company signed a contract to give new EO sensors to the aircraft, keep in mind that this aircraft is open architecture for avionics. So, radar provides 120-degree coverage, 360-degree passive radar and EO infrared detection with 180-degree infrared IRST system. Cost wise in-flight hours it claims to be several times cheaper when compared to other aircrafts and maintenance wise it will like the Su-57 have fiber optic cables spread throughout its body to monitor and wear and tear and Russia has additive composite with planned electrical conductivity, plastic deformation threshold ,resistance to oxidation and high thermal tolerance, literally perfect for a very low effective area of dispersion airframe with dozen of times less susceptibility to wear and tear in comparison with existing solutions could in live test prove to be inefficient by something so trivial such as buffeting vibrations causing joint points to progressively deformate. Based on the aircrafts features I don't see any horizontal stabilizers thus reducing RCS in the process, so assumption is made that the TVC technology is advanced enough that they decided they don't need stabilizers, thus reducing drag. If they have the 3D nozzle, it would be good for some maneuvers (yaw control). If not, it is not the end of the world. The plane is already controllable in stall events with the 2D TVC. Current order is unknown but they are expecting 300 for customers, flight date was pushed back to 2025, no idea on the production date.
From the design I see one large internal ventral bay in the center of the aircraft with two additional internal weapons bays on the side of the wings. Placement of 3 medium range air to air missiles with 2 small range air to air missiles seem feasible for its design. And as some footage show 2 large air to ground missiles or bombs can fit in the internal weapons bay storage or any small size bombs or air to ground missiles on the other two sides by the wing roots since the size of those are currently unknown. Same weapons as the Su-57 can be used but possibly with a reduced number because of weapon bay size.
PAK-DP/Mig-41/6th Gen Fighter
Usually when you go one generation up on aircraft designs it's supposed to have a significant advantage based on new principles that gives it an edge over the previous generation, but I am not seeing it other than it looks like a marketing ploy. If anyone asks what me what defines a 6th gen, I will state higher altitudes higher speeds, possible new radar breakthroughs in detection and a complete AI function as it would make sense for me. A layman's example from me would be 4th generation designs would get shot down by 5th generation aircrafts because of their reduced radar signature which 4th generation designs don't have if they had the same radars, but the advantage of a 6th generation aircraft would have to get an edge over a 5th generation aircraft is higher altitudes which would significantly reduce the range of air to air weapons on a 5th generation aircraft targeting a 6th generation aircraft and the 6th generation aircraft will see the top side of a 5th generation aircraft from higher altitudes which would have a huge RCS reflection thus 4th generation and 5th generation or even previous generation aircrafts can't get an edge over the 6th generation aircraft because of its new concept design just like stealth is the concept design for a 5th generation aircraft. Anyone that shows me a stealth design being a higher generation than another stealth design just makes my eyes roll to the back of my head.
KRET, Sukhoi, UAC Mikoyan, various officials from these company's state work is underway for a 6th gen aircraft but what designs and what features and what concepts they will use question rather if it's just one 6th gen design or a 2nd 6th gen design. Lyulka few years ago have done ground tests for variable 3 stream cycle engines and pulse detonation engines, sadly i can't display the video ground tests because like the photonic radar sources the websites for these are down as well. Some engine designers for alleged 6th generation aircrafts state variable 3 stream cycle engines define 6th gen aircrafts which combines the benefits of low and high bypass ratio engine designs, or in my opinion be pulse detonation engines which offered 50% more thrust and increase range 1.3 to 1.5 times, be used for hypersonic aircraft as well. Russia has designed new aviation material they called Aristide that can be used to replace aluminum and titanium besides composites that are used on all aircrafts. The new material is 27 times lighter than aluminum and 43 times lighter than titanium meaning you can increase the thrust to weight ratio increasing the speed of aircrafts. It has impact resistance such as if the material is 3mm thick, it can hold a shot from a gun in which only the surface layer would be damaged and then it will recover itself. So does self-generation capabilities define a 6th gen aircraft although how thick does the material have to be and it is fire resistant with a 1300 Celsius threshold so question of rather it can stop 30mm canons from aircrafts or air to air missiles depending on warheads is another fun theory worth questioning. Between 6th generation radar and communication devices which defines a 6th gen design is it GaN MMICs or PIC circuits? GaN will be a great asset for 5G cellular networks for reference 50, while Russians state that PICs will be great for 6G cellular networks offering 400 gigabits per second using 100ghz waves for communication. GaN AESA is labeled 6th gen radar but a photonic radar is also labeled a 6th gen radar for using the 100ghz band, reducing background noise 100 times lower than conventional radars where seeing a 1m2 target at a certain distance would allow the photonic radar to see a smaller target of .01m2 at the same distance or visually seeing a person's face from 500kms away. Russians also have done project Thor or project breakthrough testing hypersonic vehicles with radars on them with successful results. another 6th gen claim is them developing a new air to air missile for their hypersonic interceptor to use the MFRK DP which is a missile with a 700km range and launches several K-77Ms with their additional distance added to hit targets. RAM, shape and plasma reduces radar cross section, but metamaterial can also reduce the RCS where the aircraft does not need to change shape keeping the advantages of aerodynamics according to some claims based on design so this can be a 6th gen feature as well. Some say a missile for self-defense targeting other missiles can be 6th gen but it was done before or a laser that can physically destroy missiles. Having 360-degree wideband radar, infrared and UV coverage can also be claimed as 6th gen. Controlling UAVs can also be considered 6th gen, etc. To each his own but there will be ongoing arguments between people of what is defined as 5th gen plus or 6th gen.
PAK-DA
Now this is a project that holds promise and finally Tupolev is designing a new stealth bomber although it won't be supersonic like this art picture depicts, I still see this as a pointless project just because the Su-70 exists. No idea if the journalist is quoting an official or not but article states the radar cross section will be lowered several orders of magnitude in which at this point it's like they are challenging the U.S. on who makes the most egregious claims on stealth but of course states its designed against NATO defenses which has yet to be seen. Will use and EW and radar system along with the use of air-to-air missiles and air to ground missiles that will be hypersonic along with some missiles having artificial intelligence. Might use air to air missiles like the latest Tu-160 which I will cover for self-defense. All weapons will be internal and obviously there is no information yet on how many weapons it can carry. The stealth aircraft has been built; parachutes have been tested, and engines have completed ground tests, so it seems this project is being taken seriously. Can command and control drones as well.
PAK-VTA/Slon/PAK-TA
Because of relations with Ukraine Antonov cannot produce the Antonov series aircraft to carry heavy equipment for Russia but that might change because of 1. their new projects and 2. the outcome of the war. The Slon has a 7000km range, speed of 850km/hr and can carry a load of 180 tons. Range of the PAK-VTA is 5000kms and the speed is 850km/hr as well. The PAK-VTA has a on-board defense complex with a 90% change to defeat MANPADS such as Stinger, Mistral or Needle. Also, measures were taken to reduce optical, radar, laser, acoustic visibility, as well as radio visibility during tests. The Slon is to be completed in 2025 and production to start in 2028. PAK-VTA flight tests are expected somewhere between 2024-2026. The PAK-TA is to fly at supersonic speeds of up to 2,000 km/hr and carry up to 200 tons with a range of 7,000 km and 2016 source expects project to be implemented in 2030.
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Russian racing parachute system PTK-10SK aircraft on the example of the Su-30SM Air Force of the Republic of Belarus. The main supplier of parachutes for Russia, as well as for export to more than 30 countries of the world, is OJSC Solnechnogorsk Mechanical Plant. The PTK-10SK brake landing parachute system produced by the plant is installed on Russian SU-27 and SU-30 aircraft. Parachute landing systems reduce the length after the landing run of the aircraft by 1.5-2 times. The PTK-10SK parachute system has a mass of 23 kilograms and is used at an aircraft speed of no more than 300 km/h. As it turned out, the resource of braking parachutes is not large, about 50 applications. Parachute canopy area. 25 m2. The service life of the parachute is 15 years.
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One is already on advanced trial, the other one is still on paper. Maybe finish Izd.30 first ?
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try to at least convince me that you are not fuming right now at this point
I think sources stating tests ran on the engine means is passed the paper stage.
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TASS themselves as of 2021 states this.try to at least convince me that you are not fuming right now at this point
Now work is starting in several promising areas: the technologies of the sixth-generation engine, a combined powerplant, and the more electric engine technology. The R&D effort on the sixth-generation demonstrator engine technology has been included in the long-term work schedule of the United Engine Corporation and our applications for state program financing," he said.
Russian tech firm launches work on sixth-generation engine for combat aircraft
At the moment, Russia is developing fifth-generation engines, which are item 30 for the Su-57 fifth-generation fighter and the Item RF for the prospective aviation complex for long-range aviation
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See the bolded part ? They're just having started.
That's an almost engineering defying speed from starting a project to actually running the engine at exactly the same year and this from Russian industry which still has not yet figured out how to make the izd.30 work on the Su-57 even though the Su-57 has just entered serial production.
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Dude did you atleast read my thread post(i think its definitely a no from our past conversations)? Hint: Read the tweet that says bench tests have been conducted in 2021 that might help you. We are still talking about 3 stream cycle engines on this thread, right?TASS themselves as of 2021 states this.
Now work is starting in several promising areas: the technologies of the sixth-generation engine, a combined powerplant, and the more electric engine technology. The R&D effort on the sixth-generation demonstrator engine technology has been included in the long-term work schedule of the United Engine Corporation and our applications for state program financing," he said.Russian tech firm launches work on sixth-generation engine for combat aircraft
At the moment, Russia is developing fifth-generation engines, which are item 30 for the Su-57 fifth-generation fighter and the Item RF for the prospective aviation complex for long-range aviation
See the bolded part ? They're just having started.
Humiliating yourself is becoming an everyday pattern now on this forum, I think you should atleast take a break from the threads I have posted here (your friends on this forum might suggest the same)? The production on the 2nd stage starts in 2024 after the Su-57's modernization process in new avionics and new weapons as well.
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