TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[moz68k]

Bloomberg: If Turkey Blocks Sweden and Finland, Will NATO Boot Turkey?
Washington Post: If Turkey Blocks Sweden and Finland, Will NATO Boot Turkey?

Identical articles (read, syndicated) with clickbait titles from Bloomberg and the WP by Greek-American James Stavridis, a, quote, "[...] retired U.S. Navy admiral, former supreme allied commander of NATO, [...] dean emeritus of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, [...] [and] vice chairman of global affairs at the Carlyle Group". A man so caught up in chest-thumping for the war in Ukraine, and simping for Sweden and Greece that he—and I remind you this man was a USN admiral and supreme allied commander of NATO—called the SAAB Gripen a fifth generation fighter. A portion of that lobbying money should have at least gone to a decent editor.

Sweden has a high-tech military and produces the fifth-generation Saab Gripen fighters, which I was thrilled to have in our operations over Libya. The Finns, a nation of only five million, can put hundreds of thousands of well-trained and fully equipped ground combat forces in the field in a matter of weeks. We want them on our team.

I am so done with the media. "Democracy Dies in Darkness". That we can agree on WP... It surely has.

 

[Afif]

That 'fifth generation' is very likely to be editor's mistake.
When I read the article last night it seemed very weird to me.

 

[moz68k]

That 'fifth generation' is very likely to be editor's mistake.
When I read the article last night it seemed very weird to me.

Either way, the quality of journalism across the world has fallen drastically. If this is the first draft of history, then it gets an F from me.

 

[Corvus]

Turkey exploring massive UK arms deal involving planes, ships and tank engines

• Two squadron of Eurofighter jets
• C-130J cargo planes
• Three frigates
• Engines for M-60 tanks
T
he discussions continue, they aren’t in final stage:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-uk-massive-arms-deal-planes-ships-tank-engines

 

[CAN_TR]

• Engines for M-60 tanks

WTF?! Seriously WTF?!

 

[Heartbang]

Bloomberg: If Turkey Blocks Sweden and Finland, Will NATO Boot Turkey?
Washington Post: If Turkey Blocks Sweden and Finland, Will NATO Boot Turkey?

Identical articles (read, syndicated) with clickbait titles from Bloomberg and the WP by Greek-American James Stavridis, a, quote, "[...] retired U.S. Navy admiral, former supreme allied commander of NATO, [...] dean emeritus of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, [...] [and] vice chairman of global affairs at the Carlyle Group". A man so caught up in chest-thumping for the war in Ukraine, and simping for Sweden and Greece that he—and I remind you this man was a USN admiral and supreme allied commander of NATO—called the SAAB Gripen a fifth generation fighter. A portion of that lobbying money should have at least gone to a decent editor.



I am so done with the media. "Democracy Dies in Darkness". That we can agree on WP... It surely has.

Excellent post. Bookmarked it. I'd kiss it in the forehead if I could.

The ranks of the US military is full of useless Greek bloodbags like this who'd fan the flames anyway they can. Ever heard of Ryan Gingeras? Read his books if you want your blood pressure to rise a bunch.

 

[Corvus]

Excellent post. Bookmarked it. I'd kiss it in the forehead if I could.

The ranks of the US military is full of useless Greek bloodbags like this who'd fan the flames anyway they can. Ever heard of Ryan Gingeras? Read his books if you want your blood pressure to rise a bunch.

Did you read the articles?

 

[GoatsMilk]

Excellent post. Bookmarked it. I'd kiss it in the forehead if I could.

The ranks of the US military is full of useless Greek bloodbags like this who'd fan the flames anyway they can. Ever heard of Ryan Gingeras? Read his books if you want your blood pressure to rise a bunch.

can you tell me more about the guy and what to expect?

 

[moz68k]

The clickbait title says it all. There are far worse out there, but seeing that mistake from a person with such seemingly excellent credentials just rubbed me the wrong way. It's just an empty article with thinly veiled threats on, I'm paraphrasing, "what to do with Turkey" if it does indeed reject Sweden's accession to NATO while trying to seem sympathetic (on a surface level) to Turkey's situation. It alludes that Finland and Sweden may be an acceptable replacement for Turkey if, again paraphrasing, Erdo himself chooses to veto their accession.

It's part of this barrage of utter trite coming out of foreign media on Turkey before the elections, with about as much quality and nuance as you can expect from today's WP and Bloomberg—pandering to the lowest common denominator—a.k.a. intellectual types who read the opinions of syndicated columnists and sell them off as their own.

That being said, my opinion on Finland and Sweden joining NATO: let Finland in, they've actually have fought a war (and brilliantly so) in the last 100 years. Veto Sweden, consequences be damned. If NATO truly is an an alliance built on collective security (it isn't), then we should not be bullied by the US into making an empty gesture just to spite Russia (we probably will). Sweden has plenty of bilateral defence alliances and is practically already in NATO. Screw them.

Edit: replying to Corvus here. Forgot to quote. Sorry.

 

[Heartbang]

can you tell me more about the guy and what to expect?

"Ryan Gingeras is a professor in the Department of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School and is an expert on Turkish, Balkan and Middle East history. He is the author of four books, including most recently, Eternal Dawn: Turkey in the Age of Atatürk. His Sorrowful Shores: Violence, Ethnicity, and the End of the Ottoman Empire received short list distinctions for the Rothschild Book Prize in Nationalism and Ethnic Studies and the British-Kuwait Friendship Society Book Prize."

He has written this book called Heroin, Organized Crime, and the Making of Modern Turkey.
You could guess whats the prerogative.

 

[GoatsMilk]

He has written this book called Heroin, Organized Crime, and the Making of Modern Turkey.
You could guess whats the prerogative.

say no more, i guess another prejudicial clown with an anti-Turk agenda.

 

[blackjack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616828381508829185

 

[Turan]

What kind of foreign policy will it follow if the "6'lı masa" comes to power?

6'lı masa iktidar olursa nasıl bir dış politika izleyecek?

"Merkez ülke", "Stratejik derinlik", "Çok boyutlu-çok kulvarlı politika"… Bir dönem AK Parti'nin dış politikasına damga vuran, sloganlaşmış kavramlardı bunlar. Kemalist ilkeler tarafından belirlenip "Yurtta sulh cihanda sulh" anlayışına dayalı geleneksel Türk dış politikası, kimilerine göre...

www.indyturk.com

 

[Turan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616828381508829185

These are Western values that they ask others to respect. We saw this in Qatar during the World Cup (Respect the rainbow community), but when you ask them to respect your values, here the issue turns into freedom of expression .

 

[Tonyukuk]

Sweden has been digging itself into a hole..

Our citizens didn't need to react. Good work by the security forces. If those Islamists got inside and did something stupid we would become the bad guys. They know exactly what they're doing by burning the Quran. They want these dimwits to react.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616940589034995712

 

[Ryder]

Sweden has been digging itself into a hole..

Our citizens didn't need to react. Good work by the security forces. If those Islamists got inside and did something stupid we would become the bad guys. They know exactly what they're doing by burning the Quran. They want these dimwits to react.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616940589034995712

Tit for Tat

What goes around comes around.

If they burn the Quran what makes you think these far right monkeys will respect the Turkish flag.

 

[Ryder]

Ill never forget how the Lebanese people ransacked the Danish embassy in 2005 lmaoooo

 

[Tonyukuk]

Tit for Tat

What goes around comes around.

If they burn the Quran what makes you think these far right monkeys will respect the Turkish flag.

Tit for Tat doesn't work in this case. Flag burning is something which Armenians or PKK does. It's what someone does when they know they can't win. The guys who burned the flag just made us stoop to their level.

What's more concerning however is the Islamists who tried to storm the embassy. If they weren't stopped imagine what could have happened.

These Islamists chimping out aren't a good look. In fact we all know who is behind them. There's a reason why radical groups such as Hizbut Tahrir are free to operate in the West.

 

[Cypro]

Sweden has been digging itself into a hole..

Our citizens didn't need to react. Good work by the security forces. If those Islamists got inside and did something stupid we would become the bad guys. They know exactly what they're doing by burning the Quran. They want these dimwits to react.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616940589034995712

I have lived in Stockholm, and have many Swedish Friends, some are anti-immigrant as well, I can't blame them after things I saw. They don't even care what you are going to do to their flag or bible, mindset is very different, you can insult them, it is a freedom of speech unless you make a physical assault . A piece of paper or cloth has no special value, if it belongs to you, you purchased it, you can burn or throw it to the garbage.. it does not matter if it is picture of king, flag of a country or some holy book. Eastern cultures turn things to holy and untouchable objects. However if that guy who is burning quran threw the burning quran to someone or some place, it will be a public crime. Besides, Swedes are mostly irreligious while still they are paying church fee! otherwise they can't get funeral service.

Only idiots react to provocations, if they provoke you, best thing to do is ignoring them.

 

[TheInsider]

Flag burning is wrong. We have a tradition of respecting flags. We should respect our own traditions. We don't need to lower ourselves to their level.