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I'd gladly trade the destruction of 100, stored, Abrams tanks (and sadly, the death of their brave crews) for the miserable lives of tens of thousands more Russian invaders. The Russians are not our friends. I'm happy to trade my tax money for their lives, as long as Ukraine is willing to keep to defending their sovereignty.
That's the sad reality of the cruel world we live in... Send the Russian meat to the wood chipper. We'll send our tax money to ensure it keeps on chipping wood.
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No idea what happened but some user either deleted his own thread or the mods and admins have done it the moment i responded back to him in that deleted thread. So the thread went something like Bradleys and Marders are game changing to destroy Russian tanks, my response back because this is still important about the war.
1. The TOW at best from what I see has a 4.5km range for the Bradley. Marder with MILAN has a 3km range. Like how will the Marders or Bradleys benefit Ukraine if they get hit 1st by BMPT terminators that have 6km Ataka missiles or using kornet missiles that have an 8km for antitank and 10km for high explosives?
2.The T-90s have Refleks which have 5km to 6km depending what sources you look at and for the fun of it the Sprinter ATGM from the T-14 is estimated to be 12kms meaning it can shoot down helicopters that use 8km hellfire missiles.
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from 3 years ago they had replaced the Ka-27 radars to get modernized to Ka-27M, in which it is highly expected that Ka-52Ms will have more powerful radars. But to state the obvious Bradleys and marders can't outrange 12km Vikhr or 25km-30km Hermes missiles depending what sources you look at. And of course helicopters share their targeting data with other Russian units like tanks, other armored vehicles and their artillery.
As stated earlier there has to be something more or the armored vehicles supplied will get destroyed like the others.
1. The TOW at best from what I see has a 4.5km range for the Bradley. Marder with MILAN has a 3km range. Like how will the Marders or Bradleys benefit Ukraine if they get hit 1st by BMPT terminators that have 6km Ataka missiles or using kornet missiles that have an 8km for antitank and 10km for high explosives?
2.The T-90s have Refleks which have 5km to 6km depending what sources you look at and for the fun of it the Sprinter ATGM from the T-14 is estimated to be 12kms meaning it can shoot down helicopters that use 8km hellfire missiles.
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from 3 years ago they had replaced the Ka-27 radars to get modernized to Ka-27M, in which it is highly expected that Ka-52Ms will have more powerful radars. But to state the obvious Bradleys and marders can't outrange 12km Vikhr or 25km-30km Hermes missiles depending what sources you look at. And of course helicopters share their targeting data with other Russian units like tanks, other armored vehicles and their artillery.
As stated earlier there has to be something more or the armored vehicles supplied will get destroyed like the others.
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Road is clear now.
So, next month we can talk about planes
So, next month we can talk about planes
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There is no rush to announce the transfer of Leo 2s to Ukraine anyways, because what's most important is that training on them be completed. That training has already been greenlit and will start in the coming weeks. At some point we know that Poland, Finland, Sweden, Spain, etc are going to start sending company sized elements of Leo 2s to Ukraine. They'll likely be ready to go for the anticipated spring offensive. They'll be integrated nicely into brigades featuring Bradley IFVs and Stryker APCs.Road is clear now.
So, next month we can talk about planes
Russian propaganda will colour them as unconcerned by the development, but the reality is that their front line troops won't be happy face those brigades at all. Thousands more Russian lives will be lost. Good riddance.
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ВКС России получили новую партию истребителей Су-35С
Как сообщило 3 декабря 2022 года ПАО Объединенная авиастроительная корпорация (ПАО ОАК, входит в Госкорпорацию Ростех), входящий в его состав авиационный завод имени Ю.А. Гагарина (КнААЗ) в Комсомольске-на-Амуре изготовил и передал ВКС России очередную партию новых…
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PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC, part of the Rostec State Corporation), which is part of its Yu.A. Gagarin Aviation Plant (KnAAZ) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, manufactured and transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces another batch of new Su-35S aircraft. Multifunctional fighters of the 4 ++ generation Su-35S passed a cycle of ground and flight tests in various operating modes and flew from the KnAAZ airfield to the place of duty.
four new Su-35S fighters built by KnAAZ were delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces. The tail numbers of the aircraft on the distributed video and photo materials are retouched.
Presumably, these are the first four Su-35S fighters manufactured as part of the fourth contract concluded in 2021 by the UAC for the supply of Su-35S aircraft to the Russian Ministry of Defense. It is possible that this contract includes 22 aircraft with delivery until 2024.
These four Su-35S fighters are also the second batch of aircraft of this type built by KnAAZ in 2022, which corresponds to previously published information, according to which in 2022 KnAAZ should hand over seven Su-35S fighters to the Russian Aerospace Forces.
Earlier on September 9, KnAAZ handed over the first three Su-35S fighters of its production program in 2022. These three Su-35S aircraft with blue tail numbers "01", "02" and "03" became the final aircraft under the third contract concluded on August 25, 2020 during the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2020" by the Ministry of Defense of Russia for the supply of eight Su-35S fighters. These three Su-35S were received by the 116th Combat Application Training Center of the 185th Center for Combat Training and Combat Use of Fighter Aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces at the Privolzhsky airfield in the Astrakhan region, becoming the first Su-35S aircraft in this Center.
Earlier in 2021, KnAAZ delivered the first five Su-35S aircraft under this 2020 contract (the first three of them were delivered on December 13, 2021, and two more - presumably at the end of December).
Prior to that, under the two previous contracts of 2009 and 2015, the Russian Aerospace Forces received 98 serial Su-35S aircraft from 2012 to 2020, two of which have now been written off or lost by the beginning of 2022. Thus, the total number of serial Su-35S received by the Ministry of Defense of Russia, now, with the delivery of four more aircraft under the new contract, should reach 110 units.
Враг не прошел идентификацию: кадры патрулирования Су-35С ВКС России в ходе СВО
Во время одного из вылетов российские летчики обнаружили воздушную цель и идентифицировали ее как самолет противника, после чего летательное средство боевиков было уничтожено ракетным вооружением Су-35С.
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has published footage of combat sorties of su-35S of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the zone of a special military operation.
The crews of multi-purpose fighters performed air patrols in a given area and covered the actions of assault aircraft and army aviation helicopters when delivering air strikes on military facilities and equipment of Ukrainian nationalists.
Flights of fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces are carried out with suspended missiles of various classes. During one of the sorties, Russian pilots detected an air target and identified it as an enemy aircraft, after which the militants' aircraft was destroyed by Su-35S missile weapons.
Earlier, footage of combat sorties of su-30SM and Su-35S of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the zone of special operation at night was published. During a night patrol, the crew spotted an enemy aircraft and successfully struck it.
Since the entire war was just focusing on the Russians pushing to the west towards Bakhmut, there now seems to be a push going on from the south of Ukraine, it's just getting worse for the AFU.
despite throwing everything at Bakhmut, Russia has been unable to make any progress at that front, except a capture of a small town after months of fighting, but yes its looking bad for Ukraine, and this is all despite having thousands of Wagner mercs, mobilized military and factories running at 24/7 and superior air force, all you managed to do is capture a small town with a population of 10,000 before the war. Very good progress.
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If you want to be more accurate 65k AFUs were in Bakhmut, and the kill count got to 150k passed the 100K figure ursula announced which is quite different than Wagner doing tactical retreats from kherson and kharkiv not showcasing any dead bodies compared to all the piled-up corpses in Soledar. If you haven't noticed there are alot videos these past few weeks of AFU fighting with civilians to get mobilized. Now we have marines pushing from the south towards the north of Ukraine. I guess all this back and forth was fun while it lasted.
the 100K casualty rate is for both sides, does VDV even exist anymore ? and what push? your forces might of started an offensive, but they are not pushing anything
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Per the New York Times, Ukraine has recaptured 54% of the land that Russia has occupied during this invasion. It's cost Russia close to 150,000 casualties (WIA / KIA) and thousands of missiles, tanks, IFVs, dozens of helicopters and jets... And they've taken less than 50km of land since the summer months, after being forced to consolidate all of their forces, as a result of pissing down their own leg and losing the entire Kharkiv and Kherson fronts.
When Ukraine recaptures Kremmina in the coming weeks, Russia will have essentially traded it for Soledar and a couple towns. 6+ months and no real gains (especially strategic gains) from a total territory perspective.
Russia keeps embarrassing themselves, in true Russian fashion.
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if there really was 100K there would be no Wagner at all, and I am sure with those losses we would have protests in moscow similar to the Vietnam war but none exist.
They are getting themselves wrapped into a cauldron. while getting pushed now from the south. Hard to believe that both sides are equal in casualties when a smaller force is doing this to them, and they are looking for bodies to become meat shields is not re-assuring that they have lower casualties.
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i am getting like 20k on Russia side to be honest on KIA. the reason for Ukraine's huge capture was that for the 1st two months they used 300k troops and then have withdrawn forces to just use 80K in the operation which makes sense because 40k Russian troops are pushing a bigger force than hem back. Ukrainian mathematical claims has now become huge joke in many instances but non-retarded pro-ukraine users exist like julian roepke starting to see through the bullshit.
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Cyprus is willing to send its 82 upgraded T-80U and T-80UK tanks to Ukraine, if the West will backfill them with Leopard 2 tanks. The West has also requested that Cyprus send their 43 BMP-3s to Ukraine, as well as their 6 Tor-M1 air defense systems and whatever quantity of Buk M1-2 air defense systems they have in stock. Of course, the Cypriot Government, which has increasingly been moving towards Western military procurement and away from Russia, wants to be backfilled with better versions of Western weapons in exchange for all of this kit. Fair deal for all parties, of course!
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This is another great opportunity to get Ukraine additional armor that they already know how to use, while buying time for their training on Western equipment, across Europe. You might recall that Morocco made a similar deal with the West, where they agreed to send 90-100 T-72 tanks to the Czech Republic for upgrades, before they'd be shipped off to Ukraine for service with the Ukrainian Army. In exchange, Morocco will gain access to the Czech arms producing industry and will get to order some new toys.
If they can finish the deal with Cyprus, 180 MBTs combined from Morocco and Cyprus, is a tidy little piece of business. That's more than 3 Western Brigades (56 MBTs in a Western Brigade) worth of armor.
Maybe Georgia and it's 140'ish T-72s, or Algeria and it's 500'ish T-72s would be interested in Abrams in exchange for sending good numbers of their T-72's to Ukraine? It's worth an ask!
Cyprus ready to send Soviet-made tanks to Ukraine in exchange of German Leopards from Greece
Cyprus has announced its readiness to ship Soviet-made T-80U tanks to Ukraine in exchange for German-designed Leopard tanks, military news website Army Recognition reported on Jan. 20.
This is another great opportunity to get Ukraine additional armor that they already know how to use, while buying time for their training on Western equipment, across Europe. You might recall that Morocco made a similar deal with the West, where they agreed to send 90-100 T-72 tanks to the Czech Republic for upgrades, before they'd be shipped off to Ukraine for service with the Ukrainian Army. In exchange, Morocco will gain access to the Czech arms producing industry and will get to order some new toys.
If they can finish the deal with Cyprus, 180 MBTs combined from Morocco and Cyprus, is a tidy little piece of business. That's more than 3 Western Brigades (56 MBTs in a Western Brigade) worth of armor.
Maybe Georgia and it's 140'ish T-72s, or Algeria and it's 500'ish T-72s would be interested in Abrams in exchange for sending good numbers of their T-72's to Ukraine? It's worth an ask!
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I'll believe British and American intelligence figures on the amount of Russians casualties (KIA + WIA) over any source connected to Russia. Historically, WIA to KIA ratio is about 3 to 1 in almost every war. If I had to bet, I'd say Russia probably has about 40K KIA and another 100+K WIA. The numbers for Ukraine are probably similar, as they're suffering, tremendously, as well.
Of course, Russia is literally throwing the corpses of their KIA in mobile crematoriums to hide the evidence of the real numbers... Nobody in Russia is counting anyways, because nobody gives a shit about these people lol.
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The thing is when Russians were on the run how come Ukrainians said they lose 5 of them for 1 russian soldier and when they fire 3 mortars they get 20 fired back at them. It is just the 40k Wagner forces that are launching all the offensives from the east to west that map i provided earler shows all the batallions, regiments and units all over the map. A month or more ago i have not seen AFU harassing civilians for mobilizations but a few weeks ago to right now its becoming a common everyday thing. The map I am using is not a Russian map. Your boy Zelensky is asking for a 1000 tanks the reason I find that funny is because you and many users view the current amount of tanks being supplied is very game changing.
Ukraine still say they hold soledar and that 30k of 40k wagner got wiped out. https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/ based on the groups they had these are the same groups that have been used throughout this war, so where are the reserves being pulled in? Because based on those numbers i would hear and see which of the groups the reserves would be detached to but I dont see anything. Use the map and look at the Voronezh Oblast i see a 4 X symbol which means 80k-300k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_army Also If i am looking at the map correctly Kyiv really does not have huge force, so I am assuming that's because all of them are nearly in Bakhmut. If this is the case than I think Ukraine's situation is really dire than I thought before.
Edit: I am starting to think now that Russia does not want too many convicts to be free men or have taxpayers pay for them again which could be the reason FOABs have not been dropped on the blue squares. Almost like the Halo story
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Lol if Ukrainian losses were 5x higher than Russian, the war would not be a stalemate right now.
Actually, this photo says it all. Zelenskiy, in light military garb, salutes the German chancellor with a nod like a German soldier.
Whereas zelensky is the head of state and scholz is the prime minister. So they're not even equal. Do you think this crush comes from comedy?
Whereas zelensky is the head of state and scholz is the prime minister. So they're not even equal. Do you think this crush comes from comedy?
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I am pissed that no one is using this great map. https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/ so I will just screenshot it.
1st picture shows lesser blue squares in and around kiev than all the blue squares just dealing with Wagner. bottom two pictures is those 4 Xs which consists of 80,000 to 300,000 troops Field army - Wikipedia. If we see those 4 Xs from Voronezh start moving to Belarus, I think as Zelensky that will be my cue to leave the country. So how exactly do the russians have higher casualties if they were 1. Pushing the AFU back. 2. if we count all the blue and red squares between the white and red line AFU has bigger numbers yet the Russian forces are making advances and there are talks now for Ukraine to withdraw from Bakhmut. The armored vehicle being offered to Ukraine is laughable to the amount of equipment currently being mass produced for Russia.
