My complain is its frontal armour is too thinThose who ever complain about Harimau being too tall (2.456m turret top height) or hull look so big, should look at Sabrah light tank (ASCOD) owned by the Philippines.
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My complain is its frontal armour is too thinThose who ever complain about Harimau being too tall (2.456m turret top height) or hull look so big, should look at Sabrah light tank (ASCOD) owned by the Philippines.
Yep, any 30 mm+ will do. Just ask them to add more applique armor, so that can also act as counterweight.My complain is its frontal armour is too thin
Why Army felt enough with Stanag level 5/6 though?Yep, any 30 mm+ will do. Just ask them to add more applique armor, so that can also act as counterweight.
Those who ever complain about Harimau being too tall (2.456m turret top height) or hull look so big, should look at Sabrah light tank (ASCOD) owned by the Philippines.
That's because Harimau use Cockerill 105hp turret that need tall hull to accommodate its turret basket. They even need to put "neck" on Leopard 1 hull.The Harimau is tall and Sabrah being even taller doesn't make the excuse. Design tradeoffs, meant that in certain tank v tank warfare the Harimau will be at quite a disadvantage by being larger target while maybe having better performance in certain mission.
The MGS in comparison with taller Western person.
Yeah I could understand with an MBT, All MBT have one thing in common. They're low profile. You could see the difference in hull height here between a Leo 2 and Puma.That's because Harimau use Cockerill 105hp turret that need tall hull to accommodate its turret basket. They even need to put "neck" on Leopard 1 hull.
Centauro is low profile?Hitfact MK2 seems a better option, fit for low profile Centauro MGS
my bad, low profile is an excess here.Centauro is low profile?
What are you talking about?
It's much higher than Harimau.
So, what we gonna do with Harimau now?my bad, low profile is an excess here.
he turret basket on the Hitfact is not that tall
In fact it doesn't need additional neck when installed on a Leo1
Again design tradeoffs, the MPF (Griffin III) would have been harder to detect and hit compared to the Harimau
While in the MPF (BAe) the turret are so far forward hull down position will be excellent.
or follow what ismail demir said, i remember that he said FNSS would like to developed indigenous turret, back during the first batch of hull delivery ceremony.So, what we gonna do with Harimau now?
Keep buying it? Revised the design? Ditch it and buy better med tank?
Is the turret really the problem here?or follow what ismail demir said, i remember that he said FNSS would like to developed indigenous turret, back during the first batch of hull delivery ceremony.
Because doctrine and task wise, the're build to handle soft target and soft skinned armor. It mean to be firepower multiplier not TvT battle.Why Army felt enough with Stanag level 5/6 though?
What Tank vs Tank ? Can you elaborate more? Coz at first place even Harimau have capability to penetrate adversaries armor doesn't mean it have to. They're build to be firepower multiplier to walk along infantry let alone TvT battle handle by MBT since why they build for ?tank v tank
larger target
Yeah, Leo2 at 3m tall, abrams 2,5m, MPF at 2,8m and so on. Im just try to guessing why so much people obsessed with lowprofile while you have not enough DEPRESSION and sighting to handle the situation.They're low profile
I thought it was M4 sherman, Pz IV, PZ V, Chi Ha, Comet, etc that considered pure Meds ?refined when compared to "true" medium tanks out there like the Type 15 or the MPF.
So, what we gonna do with Harimau now?
Keep buying it? Revised the design? Ditch it and buy better med tank?
But even Soft skinned armor vehicles have pretty nasty auto cannon these days (> 35 mm).Because doctrine and task wise, the're build to handle soft target and soft skinned armor.
I hope we got those Mecar M1060A3 APFSDS-T for realWhat Tank vs Tank ? Can you elaborate more? Coz at first place even Harimau have capability to penetrate adversaries armor doesn't mean it have to. They're build to be firepower multiplier to walk along infantry let alone TvT battle handle by MBT since why they build for ?
I realize Cockerill 105HP isn't a bad choice afterall. Its depression and elevation is a big factor to fight in Hilly or Urban warfare. When Russian proudly showcase their Terminator BMPT, we already have our answer here.you have not enough DEPRESSION and sighting to handle the situation.
But even Soft skinned armor vehicles have pretty nasty auto cannon these days (> 35 mm).
The most probable adversary Harimau likely to meet frequently in battlefields are another MPF-like Tanks.
I hope we got those Mecar M1060A3 APFSDS-T for real
I realize Cockerill 105HP isn't a bad choice afterall. Its depression and elevation is a big factor to fight in Hilly or Urban warfare. When Russian proudly showcase their Terminator BMPT, we already have our answer here.
Btw, this is a repost but I'll post it again.
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Might as well up armored Badak and AMX 13 while at it
KMW with their Leo 2 is leading I guessthere is a reason why the call to get another MBT is quite high nowadays
With europe feel being threatened right now, I assume the queue for Leo 2 will be long. What about K2?KMW with their Leo 2 is leading I guess
IMO it's better to just change the spec of badak into an IFV, with 30mm cannon.Badak is not much being looked upon by Cavalryman actually, those 90 mm low pressured gun is already dated
What about volatile tension on Korean peninsula affecting the industrial capacity?With europe feel being threatened right now, I assume the queue for Leo 2 will be long. What about K2?