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[UkroTurk]

20bil figure came from WSJ article from january. It's not something new.

WSJ News Exclusive | Biden Administration to Ask Congress to Approve F-16 Sale to Turkey

The $20 billion sale is contingent on Ankara’s approval of NATO expansion, administration officials said, and comes alongside a sale of F-35s to Greece.

www.wsj.com

That number It also includes 900 AA missiles and 800 AGMs.

So it is not just the price of Fighters.
With those equipments EF will cost more.

F-16.net - The ultimate F-16, F-35 and F-22 reference

Lockheed Martin Corp., doing business as Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, Fort Worth, Texas, has been awarded a $799,955,939 firm-fixed-price incentive contract for F-16 aircraft production.

www.f-16.net

Slovakia's 14 f-16 contract with LM costs 900million but with extras 2.7 million .

 

[Sanchez]

With those equipments EF will cost more.

That would be expected. Typhoon is a multinational consortium, even worse, it's a European multinational consortium. Selling point of the Typhoon is not the cost. It would probably be more expensive than an F-35. Even then, Turkey should still entertain the idea of diversifying its fighter needs away from a single source. Earthquake probably stopped any thoughts on the matter, unfortunately.

2) the proposal that was sent to congress also includes other material and an F35 sale to Greece (which I bet would take the chunky part of the sale)

That is not what the first paragraph suggests.

The Biden administration is preparing to seek congressional approval for a $20 billion sale of new F-16 jet fighters to Turkey along with a separate sale of next-generation F-35 warplanes to Greece

It directly calls the Turkish F-16 deal a 20bil sale and separates it from the Greek F-35 sale. No reason to directly doubt the WSJ made a typo regarding the program cost. Neither sale is presented to the congress yet so we do not have concrete info, but it is what it is.

 

[Heartbang]

Answering the questions of the Russian media

That explains it.

 

[Super falcon 1983]

First of all this is my first post I'm a defence member on pak def since last 15 yrs with more than 15000 posts anyway

My question and argument with turkey is why turkey pursuing f 16 which greeks also will have and they with rafales can dominate Turkish airforce so better of go for J 20 because west will block weapons sales to Türk we y in middle of war with greeks

 

[Ripley]

That would be expected. Typhoon is a multinational consortium, even worse, it's a European multinational consortium. Selling point of the Typhoon is not the cost. It would probably be more expensive than an F-35. Even then, Turkey should still entertain the idea of diversifying its fighter needs away from a single source. Earthquake probably stopped any thoughts on the matter, unfortunately.

That is not what the first paragraph suggests.

It directly calls the Turkish F-16 deal a 20bil sale and separates it from the Greek F-35 sale. No reason to directly doubt the WSJ made a typo regarding the program cost. Neither sale is presented to the congress yet so we do not have concrete info, but it is what it is.

My bad. Deleted it

 

[TR_123456]

First of all this is my first post I'm a defence member on pak def since last 15 yrs with more than 15000 posts anyway

My question and argument with turkey is why turkey pursuing f 16 which greeks also will have and they with rafales can dominate Turkish airforce so better of go for J 20 because west will block weapons sales to Türk we y in middle of war with greeks

Hi @Super falcon 1983 ,there is no way my country will ever go for Chinese or Russian fighterjets.
There is a western style infrastructure in place,nobody is going to change that.
The 40 block 70's together with the 80 upgrade kits are just a stopgap until the TFX is ready.
In a possible war cenario with the Greeks my country doesnt need to have air superiority by fighter jets,we have enough missiles which can cover the distance.

 

[Mehmed Ali]

I think that Jordan is paying over 4bn for 16 f16 with 5 spare engines , I don't know how many missiles. Ofcourse it is accompanied with the typically distasteful American rubbish like " We are proud to work with Jordan and help them with their security " , something like that. Maybe it is better to build a huge stock of missiles, upgrade what Turkiye already has , make Kizilelma and Anka 3 and wait for TFX . I think that Finland is paying something like 9bn for 60 f35s. These people are trash beyond the description

 

[Super falcon 1983]

Hi @Super falcon 1983 ,there is no way my country will ever go for Chinese or Russian fighterjets.
There is a western style infrastructure in place,nobody is going to change that.
The 40 block 70's together with the 80 upgrade kits are just a stopgap until the TFX is ready.
In a possible war cenario with the Greeks my country doesnt need to have air superiority by fighter jets,we have enough missiles which can cover the distance.

Agreed sir but never underestimate your enemy as they have vipers to may be better than what USA supplies to turkey and USA has history of backstabbing Muslims remember Iraq and Saddam in past Saddam their ally and with TFX you need 10 yrs to fully develop and master TFX abilities and as far as infrastructure most country used Two different types of jets with ease paf uses both f 16 and j 10 for stop gap until TFX fully develop j 20 in small numbers will boost turkey and may be you learn from j 20 tech and improve TFX further

 

[Afif]

Agreed sir but never underestimate your enemy as they have vipers to may be better than what USA supplies to turkey and USA has history of backstabbing Muslims remember Iraq and Saddam in past Saddam their ally and with TFX you need 10 yrs to fully develop and master TFX abilities and as far as infrastructure most country used Two different types of jets with ease paf uses both f 16 and j 10 for stop gap until TFX fully develop j 20 in small numbers will boost turkey and may be you learn from j 20 tech and improve TFX further

Until I become CCPs president ( hopefully for life ) there is zero chance China would sell J20 to anyone, let alone Turkey.

 

[TR_123456]

Agreed sir but never underestimate your enemy as they have vipers to may be better than what USA supplies to turkey and USA has history of backstabbing Muslims remember Iraq and Saddam in past Saddam their ally and with TFX you need 10 yrs to fully develop and master TFX abilities and as far as infrastructure most country used Two different types of jets with ease paf uses both f 16 and j 10 for stop gap until TFX fully develop j 20 in small numbers will boost turkey and may be you learn from j 20 tech and improve TFX further

There is nothing the J20 can give us,this doesnt mean the J20 isnt good enough.
If we go for a small batch(40) of another system,it will be the EF nothing else but i dont think we will.

 

[TR_123456]

Until I become CCPs president ( hopefully for life ) there is zero chance China would sell J20 to anyone, let alone Turkey.

The reason why is not what you think it is.

 

[Afif]

The reason why is not what you think it is.

Sorry?

 

[TR_123456]

Sorry?

Why China doesnt sell the J20?

 

[Afif]

Why China doesnt sell the J20?

The same reason US don't sell f22.
However, like F35 China is planning to market its j31/35. ( still not confirmed )

Any way, as you said there is zero chance Turkey would go for anything other than western jets.

 

[Lool]

First of all this is my first post I'm a defence member on pak def since last 15 yrs with more than 15000 posts anyway

My question and argument with turkey is why turkey pursuing f 16 which greeks also will have and they with rafales can dominate Turkish airforce so better of go for J 20 because west will block weapons sales to Türk we y in middle of war with greeks

The only reason Turkey is pursuing the F16 contract is primarily because Turkey wants the billions of dollars Turkey spent on the F35 back; however, the USA refused to provide the money and instead told Turkey to buy something else from the US instead or just lose all of it. This was the initial reason for the F16 contract

 

[Lool]

Why China doesnt sell the J20?

Because the J20 isnt as good as its competitors. If such a fact became well-known after it was sold, just like with Chinese drones, then the Chinese reputation will be crippled in the aviation field just like how its reputation hit rock-bottom in the drone field

It is a well-known fact that the Chinese tend to overestimate their capabilities

 

[Ryder]

I personally witnessed the F35A flying.

I have to say this. This plane is gorgeous when you see it in person.

 

[boredaf]

However, like F35 China is planning to market its j31/35. ( still not confirmed )

It is actually confirmed, Shenyang, the company that is making the FC-31, has already said they not only willing to export it but they are also willing to establish production lines in their customers if they are able to produce it themselves. That plane is not a PLAAF project, not officially at least.

By the way, "J-x" name is used for planes made with the participation of Chinese military, FC-31 is, so far, the only name given to the plane by the company. J-35 was just the name people gave it to because of similarities.

If it wouldn't result in us getting sanctioned to hell and back twice, I'd have loved to get us some (especially the naval version) until our own jets are ready but there is no chance in hell that is happening.

 

[Heartbang]

I think that Jordan is paying over 4bn for 16 f16 with 5 spare engines , I don't know how many missiles. Ofcourse it is accompanied with the typically distasteful American rubbish like " We are proud to work with Jordan and help them with their security " , something like that. Maybe it is better to build a huge stock of missiles, upgrade what Turkiye already has , make Kizilelma and Anka 3 and wait for TFX . I think that Finland is paying something like 9bn for 60 f35s. These people are trash beyond the description

The west likes to fleece their middle eastern customers extra hard.

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Y'all are putting way much thought into this. Its a statement made to THE RUSSIAN MEDIA!
As far as I'm concerned we pulled the same trick Russia pulls with their mythical 2nd S400 battalion every time the F-16 deal is reported to go swimmingly.

 

[UkroTurk]

36 f-15 ex package 14billion.
One F-15 will cost app 400million with radar and weapons while flyaway cost of fighter is 80million.

I think EF would cost us as same as expensive.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Just APG-83 radar costs 20million USD which is not included the price.