Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Mehmed Ali]

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It is nothing unexpected, this is a typical profile of the Western pseudo right. To paint a better picture, I was watching Tucker Carlson and that dilettante said " Tragedy of Iraq was that the American lives and prestige was lost " not a single word about 1 4 dead Iraqis. You see, they hope to return to good ol' times. The annihilation of the Muslims of Balkan Turkiye, Caucasus, Central Asia and creation, just like in the Middle Ages some judeo Christian kingdoms in Middle East. I know, this sounds to many far fetched but some details point out to that. Even Poland do not trust to anyone of them , weapons and the suppliers chosen indicates that.

 

[contricusc]

Politics (especially modern politics) doesn't work like that. I do something bad =/= I'm guilty.

It all comes to, if my calculations are right, it will be either be right or a disaster. And in this case Putin's calculations = disaster, but what if Russian occupation of Ukraine is swift, I could argue that Putin has done the right thing.

We’re not judging this only from the perspective of politics, but from the perspective of ethics and morals.

What Putin did was wrong, no matter if he wins or not. What Putin did in Checenya was wrong, despite the fact that he won the war and from a political perspective it might have been a success.

If you kill someone to rob him, you do the wrong thing. It doesn’t matter if you get caught and go to jail or if you are not caught and end up with the dead man’s posession (which from your perspective might look like a success).

Killing people to take their valuables is wrong in any culture and religion. It’s not a Western invention.

Nurturing and/or supporting separatist group are not only a Russian thing, in fact so called EU member does the same dirty tricks with the Kurds or other outlawed quasi state. The Netherlands for example supported and nurtured Moluccan separatist or Sweden harboring Free Aceh Movement leaders.

So again, we go to this stupid comparison that somehow justifies being evil. If a EU country does something bad, I have the right to be evil too.

Murder cannot be justified just because other people are murderers. Also, if you get caught with murder, good luck saying at the trial that you should not go to jail because there are other murderers who were never punished. Such argument will be laught at in any court of law.

Russia took over part of Donbass and arm its own army because it has the MEANS. So does the US arming the Peshmerga quasi army in Iraq because it has the means to do so.

So there's really no one is guilty here, some are just bad when playing the geopolitical chess, that's it

If you kill someone just because you have the means to do it (like a gun), it doesn’t mean you are not guilty.

 

[GoatsMilk]

This is not a meme, but its the only template I can think of.

Maybe Russia got the idea from someone else, I wonder...Russians after the collapse of the SU are not known for extraordinary innovation.



All of this has been done since the very article is adopted by the "international community" and depending on the size and strength of a country they either get punished or walks away freely.

This is my opinion only but I think you're either too human, too weak or too soft for politics. I don't mean to be mean.

What's interesting is the US and the decision makers of the EU are trying to bury the middle eastern region over their support of terrorist entities. The same moralists have no issue watching a similar plot and plan being hatched against the brown people of the middle east. Instead they justify it with outlandish lies and propaganda.

When Kurds arrived at the polish border they were beaten down and shown as savage backward middle eastern animals and poland was protecting Europe's border. When its Turkiye a country with the worlds largest refugee population and pkk terrorists engage in all sorts of criminality and terrorism, since its against Turks and other brown people of the middle east they are shown as heroes, freedom fighters etc.

Truth be told most of the non-western world knows all about the western worlds ways. The relentless treachery, the scandal, the hypocrisy.

This is why most of the non-western world doesn't really give a shit about Russia/Ukrianian war, they just see it as whites killing each other and as long as they are killing each other they are not focussing on killing non-whites as the americans and certain european lackeys nations have never stopped doing.

 

[contricusc]

This is why most of the non-western world doesn't really give a shit about Russia/Ukrianian war, they just see it as whites killing each other and as long as they are killing each other they are not focussing on killing non-whites as the americans and certain european lackeys nations have never stopped doing.

I detect some sort of anti-white racism in this kind of thinking. As long as it is white people dying, we don’t care.

 

[Afif]

I detect some sort of anti-white racism in this kind of thinking. As long as it is white people dying, we don’t care.

'White people' is not a serious term from our socio-cultural perspective. ( For example, how race based classification still the official policy of USA and how it heavily influences their society )
In our cultural understanding we label people based on where they lives or what language they speak. ( for example, in my language the most prominent term for Europeans or Americans are simply 'foreigners' )

So, the more accurate reading would be as long as West is busy with its own house, they would have less time and chances to set our house on fire.

 

[contricusc]

So, the more accurate reading would be as long as West is busy with it own house, they would have less time and chances to set our house on fire.

Your way of saying it is less offensive, but the way GostsMilk said, it was simply “whites” and “non-whites”, as if white people dying is not a problem, while non-white people dying is a problem.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Your way of saying it is less offensive, but the way GostsMilk said, it was simply “whites” and “non-whites”, as if white people dying is not a problem, while non-white people dying is a problem.

I assure you, no one in the west gave a shit when brown people died mainly by the hands of the fucking US. So don't expect brown people to give a shit when two white nations kill each other...

 

[Afif]

Your way of saying it is less offensive, but the way GostsMilk said, it was simply “whites” and “non-whites”, as if white people dying is not a problem, while non-white people dying is a problem.

Not to defend him, but usually when we used 'Whites' in these context, it is to mock your own obsession and sense of superiority with the whiteness of your skin.

I mean, this war is very critical in a sense that it gave Europeans some sense of Reality.
Otherwise, you guys were increasingly acting like that, you were some sort of different species who lives in another planet, who could not comprehend 'Oh look, how savage and uncivilized these non whites are!'
Now, Russians are turned out to be like orcs who are killing, massacring and raping its own sister nation, it should be a harsh waking up from your sweet dream.

It is not like, Oh 'White people dying is not a problem'
More like, when brown people in middle east or black people in Africa dies it is because they are savage, ( i heard that argument with my own ears ) so no big deal.
The same logic is working here, just the other way around.

 

[Ryder]

Not to defend him, but usually when we used 'Whites' in these context, it is to mock your own obsession and sense of superiority with the whiteness of your skin.

I mean, this war is very critical in a sense that it gave Europeans some sense of Reality.
Otherwise, you guys were increasingly acting like that, you were some sort of different species who lives in another planet, who could not comprehend 'Oh look, how savage and uncivilized these non whites are!'
Now, Russians are turned out to be like orcs who are killing, massacring and raping its own sister nation, it should be a harsh waking up from your sweet dream.

It is not like, Oh 'White people dying is not a problem'
More like, when brown people in middle east or black people in Africa dies it is because they are savage, ( i heard that argument with my own ears ) so no big deal.
The same logic is working here, just the other way around.

Russians are called Orcs too because they are seen as outsiders to European civilisation mainly due to Turkic-Mongol domination.

People have also packaged this conflict as it is some race struggle between the "Asian" Russians and the blue and white Ukrainians with blond hair.

Both nations are are Slavic and come from Eastern Slavs. Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are Eastern Slavs.

Basically identitcal but are different.

This whole thing is not just Slavs vs Slavs but also geopolitics and a land grab.

Russians have a problem in accepting Ukrainians even Belarusians being a different Ethnic group due to their Pan Slavism bs.

Due to Russia's pan slavism bs they dont even accept Poles are Slavs and believe its Russia's destiny to unite the Slavic peoples and those distinctions like Ukrainian and Polish were made up.

All I can say is after this War the Russians basically lost their Eastern Slavic brothers and sisters for good.

Russia had many chances to treat Ukraine and Belarus like their own brothers but instead engaged in dribble which denied their identities for their land grab.

This what happens when extremism clouds the minds.

 

[contricusc]

I assure you, no one in the west gave a shit when brown people died mainly by the hands of the fucking US. So don't expect brown people to give a shit when two white nations kill each other...

I don’t see many people in the East caring about brown people dying either, unless they are killed by the US, when there is lots of outrage. When people die in the Yemen war or in the Tigray conflict, it is mostly European countries who speak about the problem. People in the East seem to only care about people murdered by the US. The rest don’t matter.

 

[MaciekRS]

Strykers are coming

Ukrainian soldiers are training on Canadian Leopards in Poland

 

[contricusc]

Now, Russians are turned out to be like orcs who are killing, massacring and raping its own sister nation, it should be a harsh waking up from your sweet dream.

The thing is, people in Eastern Europe knew about the Russians being savages for a long time, so we are not waking up from some sweet dreams.

We’ve been through this before. Our countries have been pillaged in the past by the Russians. Ironically, people in Eastern Europe are not responsible for colonialism or any other wars made by some West European countries or the US against Asians or Africans.

The irony in this is that people outside the West feel indifferent about Ukrainin suffering despite the fact that Ukraine is a lot more like them (from a historical perspective) than it is like colonialist Europe.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

I don’t see many people in the East caring about brown people dying either, unless they are killed by the US, when there is lots of outrage. When people die in the Yemen war or in the Tigray conflict, it is mostly European countries who speak about the problem. People in the East seem to only care about people murdered by the US. The rest don’t matter.

The East doesn't act like they're the savior of the world while at the same time supporting terrorists in the background. Guess what, the west is doing it. Simply put most nations don't give a shit that there is a war in Europe.

 

[contricusc]

Russians are called Orcs too because they are seen as outsiders to European civilisation mainly due to Turkic-Mongol domination.

No, they are called orcs because of they ways they behaved. They pillaged, raped and tortured the civilian population of Ukraine, so they earned their “orc” name. It has nothing to do with their history, but with the way they are acting right now.

If you act like a savage, people will call you names, no matter your skin color, religion, country or motives.

 

[contricusc]

The East doesn't act like they're the savior of the world while at the same time supporting terrorists in the background. Guess what, the west is doing it. Simply put most nations don't give a shit that there is a war in Europe.

But lots of people in the East complain about the killing of Palestinians while totally ignoring the killing of Tigray people or Yemenis.

There is hypocrisy on both sides.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

But lots of people in the East complain about the killing of Palestinians while totally ignoring the killing of Tigray people or Yemenis.

There is hypocrisy on both sides.

Yes, but it wasn't the east invading Türkiye's neighboring countries but the west.

 

[Afif]

But lots of people in the East complain about the killing of Palestinians while totally ignoring the killing of Tigray people or Yemenis.

There is hypocrisy on both sides.

Who says we ignored what happened with Yemen. Saudi arabia is the one of the most hated state due to their savage and brutal war in Yemen.

 

[Ryder]

No, they are called orcs because of they ways they behaved. They pillaged, raped and tortured the civilian population of Ukraine, so they earned their “orc” name. It has nothing to do with their history, but with the way they are acting right now.

If you act like a savage, people will call you names, no matter your skin color, religion, country or motives.

Guess where the orc actually comes from.

Orc actually represented the Steppes.

Orcs is used in a racial connotation way to represented the savage steppe people which are the Turks, Mongols, Huns and the Magyars to an extent.

Not to mention people believe the Russians who are Europeans and Christian but somehow are Easterners due to the Turks and Mongols.

Not just pillaging and taking over As everybody did it but when it comes to the Turks and Mongols its used differently.

 

[Gary]

I think it all boils down to the value of life. If there is 144 million or 300 million citizens, few million does not make a difference, right? Fair cost of getting some advantage. Indonesia can afford this. Russia kind of, if we are talking about minorities, small nations and criminals. Estonia does not have the luxury to loose million or two. This nation ceases to exist after that. So there is slightly more to loose than loss of 0,3% of population.

You know what ? seeing the Russian war and the toll it had on population, I don't get comfortable that we are only a nation of 300 million, the next 10 years plan goal should be overpopulation, 600 million Indonesian by 2033 is a good idea.

" Stop family planning , start multiplying" sounds better then the current "2 lebih baik ( 2 is better)" slogan.

 

[blackjack]

1st post of today.

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