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Admit it folks. This internal weapon station cannot be 3.3 m. It looks very small.
Question: With regards to the Internal Bays , can the payload in question (Stand off missiles , Cruise missiles, ARM) not be stored diagonally ? Is it possible ? has it been tried/tested anywhere ? how will it affect weapons deployment ?
 

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Weird incident. Russian jet tried to bring down Ukrainian TB2. The TB2 survived.

Unknown why the russian jet did not used munitions to bring down TB2. (I speculate it could have been a Ukrainian jet)


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Yep, would be great if it had Sungur or something similar.
 

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Anka-4 must be in the works as MMU's wingman, since KE is Baykar's own project and MMU's wingman cannot be made by another company with limited access to and knowledge of MMU's integrated electronic systems. Also you cannot have MMU fly with a wingman with a considerably higher RCS profile.
 

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SOM-J has a far smaller silouetthe and lower weight compared to SOM, so yes, it is likely a yes yes for ANKA-3
Too heavy, it would need a stronger engine to be able to carry one.

Neuron and Taranis could only carry 2x230 kg bombs while SOM-J is 500 kg and would take up one strong hard point. The larger X-47B maybe could but that has a much stronger engine and is much bigger.
 

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Too heavy, it would need a stronger engine to be able to carry one.

Neuron and Taranis could only carry 2x230 kg bombs while SOM-J is 500 kg and would take up one strong hard point. The larger X-47B maybe could but that has a much stronger engine and is much bigger.
Cakir bro, I think they will use lots of cakir in swarm. ( 02 Cakir per ANKA-3 internally )
 

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Eh, I think LGB would be better for some missions.

F-117 was only ever shot down because it’s bomb bays were open for too long.
Of course, I am only referring to the cruise missile option.
 

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Cakir bro, I think they will use lots of cakir in swarm. ( 02 Cakir per ANKA-3 internally )

Eh, I think LGB would be better for some missions.

F-117 was only ever shot down because it’s bomb bays were open for too long.
Although, these are not the only cruise missiles (or will not be) within next year.
 

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Although, these are not the only cruise missiles (or will not be) within next year.
My train of thought is that long range stand-off weapons should be allocated to non-stealthy platforms as there will very likely be a shortage of them in a large war.
 

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My train of thought is that long range stand-off weapons should be allocated to non-stealthy platforms as there will very likely be a shortage of them in a large war.
Logicwise a stealth platform does not need a stand off weapon, because its stand-off distance is shorter that the radar detection range.

However, if we speak of true stealthiness, it involves turning off the comms, thus satcom and the unmanned platform has to do laser point on its own, once in deep into enemy territory.

At this point, if the target is fixed, the mission computer should be updated with most up to date satellite imagery, use AI to find, track and engage the target. For moving targets it involves a lot of AI stuff and i don't think anyone will be capable of such a fantasy but US. Even the first case involves a complexity and prone to be spoofed by fake targets.

I am not an airforce guy so i don't know operational doctrines of these matters.
 

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If i had time i would do it but, can anyone with image processing skills use these information to figure out the dimensions;
Each concrete slab should be about 4 meter x 4 meter.
The lines are parallel thus perspective can be figured out.

Thus combining these, instrinctively, i get 9-10 meters vs 6-7 meters for the dimensions.
Here you go. Did this with a bit of GIMP and ImageJ. I used your assumption that the concrete tiles are 4x4m. Definitely not accurate, but measurements kinda make sense. Couldn't correct for lens distortion and non-uniformity of the tiles—let alone parallax.
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Here you go. Did this with a bit of GIMP and ImageJ. I used your assumption that the concrete tiles are 4x4m. Definitely not accurate, but measurements kinda make sense. Couldn't correct for lens distortion and non-uniformity of the tiles—let alone parallax. View attachment 55140
You're the best. So, acording to the previous sketching about Anka-3 and also showing the weapon bay layout, I think it has a wideness of about 1.5 meters and a side lenght over 3 meters.

I think this overall length rather than the width is going to be an important marker. Because ~2.2 meters and ~3.2 meters respectively are important criteria according to NATO type ammunition standards. If the weapon bay is of a standard that can safely release ammunition up to 330cm, then the strategic multiplier will increase in the same proportion. And if it is over 3.5-4 meters, tandem placement may also be in question, I mean the system can carry 8 Aselsan Minbo.
 
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Here you go. Did this with a bit of GIMP and ImageJ. I used your assumption that the concrete tiles are 4x4m. Definitely not accurate, but measurements kinda make sense. Couldn't correct for lens distortion and non-uniformity of the tiles—let alone parallax. View attachment 55140
I merely assumed the tile dimensions by the distanced i walked (yeah counted the steps per tile before, out of boredom). Approximately landed around 3.9 to 4.2 so i thought they would go for a round number for concrete slabs.

Thanks for the effort. This one is sure a big boy. I expected it to be smaller.
 

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