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[Sanchez]

Flight characteristics wise, looks like a TB2. Too slow.

 

[Heartbang]

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Not a Kizilelma but I personally saw the Ghost Bat made by Boeing at the airshow.

Its interesting first hand to see the future of warfare in full swing. But also terrifying because these drones dont look so imposing compared to jet fighters.

Because you have people looking at F35s and Super hornets more than the drone itself. People dont realise the future is already here.

Hopefully see the MIUS KE and the Anka 3 personally one day.

Is it smaller than the F-16?

 

[Nutuk]

What happened to the French Neuron project, they have completed more than 100 flight tests until 2020 and after that the project went silent

 

[Afif]

What happened to the French Neuron project, they have completed more than 100 flight tests until 2020 and after that the project went silent

I read somewhere French air force wasn't interested. ( but they didn't cancel the project yet )

 

[Ryder]

Is it smaller than the F-16?

I tried to find the singaporean f16 i could not fcking find it. Asked the people there they were clueless

F35s and f22s look much bigger than the ghost bat.

 

[dBSPL]

The money spent on the Neuron and related systems projects is estimated at more than $1 billion. In the first phase, Dassault/France brought in Leonardo from Italy, Saab from Sweden, EADS-CASA for Spain (now under the Airbus Defense umbrella), HAI for Greece and RUAG for Switzerland, reducing the project cost to a manageable level, and half of the initial 450 million euros allocated to the project was collected from these participating companies. TAI's participation in the project was blocked for political reasons. However, TAI was the only company with real operational experience in UAV systems in this possible cooperation. The UAV breakthrough at TAI has had a comprehensive state-sponsored strategic plan since 2004 over ANKA program, even if we leave aside all the previous work. As a matter of fact, the aircraft emerged as a prototype, and even with a two-year delay, a flying prototype could be demonstrated in 2012, but then a concrete timetable could not be put forward, and the project has been faced with so many problems for nearly 10 years. Moreover, the model shown was only the first step of a three-stage project.

Indeed, the current status of the project suggests that the Neuron project will be limited to a technology demonstration and that its main function will be to generate technological progress in the participating companies. My personal view is that this project, like Taranis, or even Barracuda as another example, is dead or dying. If France had taken this project forward with its own internal institutions (Saffran, Dassault etc.) without making it multinational, I think the chances of success could have been much, much higher.

Anyway, the plus point for us is that when Anka-3 becomes operational, it will probably not have an equivalent competitor in the European region.

 

[Heartbang]

I tried to find the singaporean f16 i could not fcking find it. Asked the people there they were clueless

F35s and f22s look much bigger than the ghost bat.

How big do you think it is approximately? because KE is about the size of an F-16 and Ghost bat is quoted as much, MUCH smaller.

 

[Heartbang]

The money spent on the Neuron and related systems projects is estimated at more than $1 billion. In the first phase, Dassault/France brought in Leonardo from Italy, Saab from Sweden, EADS-CASA for Spain (now under the Airbus Defense umbrella), HAI for Greece and RUAG for Switzerland, reducing the project cost to a manageable level, and half of the initial 450 million euros allocated to the project was collected from these participating companies. TAI's participation in the project was blocked for political reasons. However, TAI was the only company with real operational experience in UAV systems in this possible cooperation. The UAV breakthrough at TAI has had a comprehensive state-sponsored strategic plan since 2004 over ANKA program, even if we leave aside all the previous work. As a matter of fact, the aircraft emerged as a prototype, and even with a two-year delay, a flying prototype could be demonstrated in 2012, but then a concrete timetable could not be put forward, and the project has been faced with so many problems for nearly 10 years. Moreover, the model shown was only the first step of a three-stage project.

Indeed, the current status of the project suggests that the Neuron project will be limited to a technology demonstration and that its main function will be to generate technological progress in the participating companies. My personal view is that this project, like Taranis, or even Barracuda as another example, is dead or dying. If France had taken this project forward with its own internal institutions (Saffran, Dassault etc.) without making it multinational, I think the chances of success could have been much, much higher.

Anyway, the plus point for us is that when Anka-3 becomes operational, it will probably not have an equivalent competitor in the European region.

Common Pan-European L

 

[Era_shield]

Common Pan-European L

Most successful European project

 

[dBSPL]

We should not be too hasty to judge the KE. The fact that this aircraft has been built in such a short time is an extraordinary fact that almost all of us have missed.Probably in 2024, the twin-engine KE will appear, and many of the issues (actuators, etc.) that were criticized on the first technological demonstrator aircraft will be transformed into a more concrete aircraft, as they should be on a real interceptor drone. We have discussed this for pages in this forum, and for me, this is part of Baykar's aggressive policies.

From a conceptual design point of view, I think there is no UAV company that is trying what Baykar is trying, or maybe there is a similar project in China, I dont know. Baykar's goal is not to make a loyal wing man, absolutely not. In this context, we may see deliveries of a limited-capacity variant in a few years, but the KE has a long way to go for doctrinal aims, probably longer than both the Anka-3 and the MMU.

 

[Bürküt]

How big do you think it is approximately? because KE is about the size of an F-16 and Ghost bat is quoted as much, MUCH smaller. View attachment 55189

Yep It's smaller than KE considering it's using the 900/1600 lb pw600 engine

 

[Yasar_TR]

All f117 shot in Serbia posts have been moved to

US Airforce involvement in Serbia

Eh, I think LGB would be better for some missions. F-117 was only ever shot down because it’s bomb bays were open for too long. F-117 was not shot down because of the IWBs. Serbia radar detected it, EW support was not present at the sortie. F-117 was shot 3-4 times and each except 1 returned...

defencehub.live

please carry on your discussions there.

 

[dBSPL]

A very good article by Tyler Rogoway about ANKA-3(Phoenix-3) and the TAF's main strategy in more general. He is one of the few authors who has any idea what he is writing about, in the thedrive editorials.

Turkey's ANKA-3 Flying Wing Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle Emerges

Turkey's ANKA-3 is a stealthy unmanned combat air vehicle that aims to fit within a growing locally-developed advanced air combat ecosystem.

www.thedrive.com

Turkey’s ANKA-3 is a stealthy unmanned combat air vehicle that aims to fit within a growing locally-developed advanced air combat ecosystem.

(...)

The aircraft features a serrated dorsal air intake, as well as an auxiliary intake to its upper rear, near its engine exhaust, which appears to be a conventional, round type. A small aerial and another conformal type antenna are seen on this auxiliary intake. Two large pitot tubes are seen installed along its leading edge, and another is seen extending from its nose. Generally speaking, this is not an uncommon test configuration for flying wing UCAV-type aircraft.
What looks to be a pair of fuel tanks or weapons shapes are seen under its wings. A large conformal rectangle fairing and a round one in front of it appear to be a different skin texture than the rest of the airframe. It's unclear what exactly this is for but one possibility is that these are shrouds to cover antenna arrays. The planform overall is similar to Boeing's X-45C and Dassault's nEURon, although the overall aircraft is less refined.

We must state that perhaps more than other types of aircraft, stealthy flying wing drones are known to evolve through the testing process significantly. At first, low-observability is not essential to successful flight testing and other primary trials, so things like extra vents, antenna, pitot tubes, airframe surface refinement, and especially exhaust become far more refined in later iterations.
The exhaust, in particular, is among the hardest components of a low-observable aircraft to successfully realize, so a more basic exhaust can be used for initial testing. As predicted, we saw exactly this with Russia's Hunter-B UCAV. A more production-representative configuration emerged after basic flight testing and other trials were complete, which included a low-observable exhaust, among many other refinements.

The big takeaway here is that Turkey is working on fielding a stealthy flying wing UCAV that puts more of a premium on low observability than high performance. The aircraft is an intriguing counterpart to the recently unveiled fighter-like Bayraktar Kizilelma drone that is already in flight testing.
These two types could provide an intriguing mix of advanced unmanned aerial combat capabilities to the Turkish Air Force, and potentially export customers, if they can prove their intended capabilities in testing. One is more of a high-performance concept with some low-observable features. The other design is less kinematic performance-minded, but its designers have put a premium put on survivability and persistence.

(...)

 

[dBSPL]

Turkey's new kamikaze UAV "Azab" is coming

Robit Teknoloji developed the multi-purpose kamikaze Azab with its delta wing structure and carried out flight tests. With Azab, which has a long range and high payload capacity, blasting tests are planned in the near future.

Robit Teknoloji Unmanned Aerial Vehicles Director Selçuk Fırat said in a statement to AA correspondent that the company, which has a history of 15 years, mainly operates in the fields of information and information security, and that they have been developing solutions in the field of defense industry for the last 2 years.

Stating that the product they named "Azab" is a multi-purpose kamikaze UAV, Fırat said, "We can change and integrate the warhead as we want. We can use the existing warheads in the inventory." said.

Stating that there are 2 versions of Azab, Fırat said:

"Azab has two versions with a wingspan of 150 and 200 centimeters. The 200-inch Azab can carry a useful load of up to 15 kilograms, take off with 50 kilograms. The 150-inch Azab weighs 7 kilograms and can carry 3 kilograms of ammunition. Within the scope of the scope, you can throw and forget, free roam, or with the help of an operator, you can direct Azab to the target with its camera from a 200-kilometer line of sight and take it to the target yourself. At the same time, it can directly reach and destroy its target with the GPS coordinates you provide. Azab has its own sensors. In the wars of Ukraine and Azerbaijan. As we have seen, they are taking precautions against such kamikaze UAVs. There are several features to prevent these measures. Whatever the case, Azab is strong enough to self-destruct when it lands on the target. You can set up our Azab T200 model very easily with two operators. At the same time, 8 , can be carried in pods of 16. It takes 5 minutes to set up. If you want, you can do the task beforehand. you can click. If desired, the operator can turn on his computer and send it directly to its destination with its remote control. You can transport Ufak Azab with a single operator, a normal civilian vehicle, or a military vehicle if you wish. Again 5 minutes to install. After making the first installation, you can throw 5-10 Azabs in a row. We haven't done his tests yet."

"We are ready for production"

Fırat also gave information about the stage Azab has reached, saying, "Azab is flying, diving to its target. We have carried out all the flight tests. We are going to the tests with ammunition. We will do the tests with ammunition in the coming months. We are currently testing the trigger mechanism. We are in the part of saying, 'I will have myself destroyed'. We expect ammunition tests to be completed in the middle of the year or in the third quarter of the year. We are ready for production. We will be able to meet future orders." used the phrases.

Pointing out that special ammunition can be produced for Azab as well as warheads in the hands of security forces, Selçuk Fırat stated that mortars, tank guns and RPG ammunition can be integrated into Azab very easily.

Emphasizing that Azab is a platform and that it can be shaped and used as desired, Fırat noted that there is no limitation in this regard, and that Azab can serve with piece-effect, fire, piece-effect ammunitions depending on the purpose.

2 different solutions for different needs

Explaining that they have developed a 3-meter electric catapult to launch Azab T150, Fırat said that Azab T200 has a 6-meter catapult, and that it can be launched from a truck or container since the rocket system, which is still in progress, is completed.

Stating that they presented Azab to the Presidency of Defense Industries and received positive feedback, Fırat said, "The fact that a UAV with these features can become flying and the load it has reached is not a point reached in Turkey yet. "At the same time, it is the only one in its class in Turkey. At the same time, we see great interest abroad. We had contact with two countries this week. It will be a good product for both our exports and our army." he said.

Pointing out that Azap versions are shaped according to needs, Selçuk Fırat gave the following information about usage concepts:

"We developed Azab T150 for operational transport. We built at least 3 of them in the hands of a team so that they can throw them behind the car and shoot them with a camera at a distance of 100 kilometers. The Azab T200, on the other hand, was built as a deterrent to protect the country's borders at long distances. It has a range of kilometers, you can control it up to 200 kilometers. Then it advances to its target. When you reach the target, it performs the dive as you wish. It can dive vertically or at an angle if you want. It can self-destruct when it reaches its target or when the mission is over. "

"Very little chance of being detected by radar"

Pointing out that the most fundamental difference that distinguishes Azab from similar products is its useful load carrying capacity, Fırat continued as follows:

"Currently, there is no kamikaze UAV carrying payloads in these capacities in our country. Another important feature is that it is user-guided and can be set up very easily. It is also a platform that can be developed. Do not think of Azab as just a kamikaze UAV. It can also be used by integrating different payloads. Even though Azab can carry a load of 50 kilograms if you want. We can extend the platform to a wingspan of 3.5 meters, we can design its fuselage any way we want. Thanks to its radar cross-section and composite body, it is a product that is very unlikely to be caught by the radar. In our tests, it usually flies between 50-100 meters, "The minimum altitude is at these levels. Azab can reach a speed of 278 kilometers per hour, it goes very fast. The operator can control Azab up to a range of 200 kilometers. It is possible to reach a range of 500 kilometers with the T200."

Türkiye'nin yeni kamikaze İHA'sı "Azab" geliyor

Savunma sanayisinde son dönemde en fazla dikkati çeken ürünlerden olan kamikaze insansız hava araçlarına (İHA) "Azab" ismiyle Türkiye'den yeni bir çözüm eklendi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637780387492425730

I think It has a 6-8 meter and highly portable, simple launch mechanic, which can be carried disassembled by a soldier and set by hand. It can provide an important asymmetric capability to troops in the field. A pickup can carry 4-5 drones ready for use with different warheads.

 

[Enderun]

 

[Nutuk]

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LOL, who is making these? You Enderun? Could you put also some Kizilelma inbetween?

Actually what you do will freak out many, looks like the damn imperial army from starwars

 

[Bogeyman]

LOL, who is making these? You Enderun? Could you put also some Kizilelma inbetween?

Actually what you do will freak out many, looks like the damn imperial army from starwars

"damn imperial army from starwars"

 

[Ryder]

Turkey's new kamikaze UAV "Azab" is coming

Robit Teknoloji developed the multi-purpose kamikaze Azab with its delta wing structure and carried out flight tests. With Azab, which has a long range and high payload capacity, blasting tests are planned in the near future.

Robit Teknoloji Unmanned Aerial Vehicles Director Selçuk Fırat said in a statement to AA correspondent that the company, which has a history of 15 years, mainly operates in the fields of information and information security, and that they have been developing solutions in the field of defense industry for the last 2 years.

Stating that the product they named "Azab" is a multi-purpose kamikaze UAV, Fırat said, "We can change and integrate the warhead as we want. We can use the existing warheads in the inventory." said.

Stating that there are 2 versions of Azab, Fırat said:

"Azab has two versions with a wingspan of 150 and 200 centimeters. The 200-inch Azab can carry a useful load of up to 15 kilograms, take off with 50 kilograms. The 150-inch Azab weighs 7 kilograms and can carry 3 kilograms of ammunition. Within the scope of the scope, you can throw and forget, free roam, or with the help of an operator, you can direct Azab to the target with its camera from a 200-kilometer line of sight and take it to the target yourself. At the same time, it can directly reach and destroy its target with the GPS coordinates you provide. Azab has its own sensors. In the wars of Ukraine and Azerbaijan. As we have seen, they are taking precautions against such kamikaze UAVs. There are several features to prevent these measures. Whatever the case, Azab is strong enough to self-destruct when it lands on the target. You can set up our Azab T200 model very easily with two operators. At the same time, 8 , can be carried in pods of 16. It takes 5 minutes to set up. If you want, you can do the task beforehand. you can click. If desired, the operator can turn on his computer and send it directly to its destination with its remote control. You can transport Ufak Azab with a single operator, a normal civilian vehicle, or a military vehicle if you wish. Again 5 minutes to install. After making the first installation, you can throw 5-10 Azabs in a row. We haven't done his tests yet."

"We are ready for production"

Fırat also gave information about the stage Azab has reached, saying, "Azab is flying, diving to its target. We have carried out all the flight tests. We are going to the tests with ammunition. We will do the tests with ammunition in the coming months. We are currently testing the trigger mechanism. We are in the part of saying, 'I will have myself destroyed'. We expect ammunition tests to be completed in the middle of the year or in the third quarter of the year. We are ready for production. We will be able to meet future orders." used the phrases.

Pointing out that special ammunition can be produced for Azab as well as warheads in the hands of security forces, Selçuk Fırat stated that mortars, tank guns and RPG ammunition can be integrated into Azab very easily.

Emphasizing that Azab is a platform and that it can be shaped and used as desired, Fırat noted that there is no limitation in this regard, and that Azab can serve with piece-effect, fire, piece-effect ammunitions depending on the purpose.

2 different solutions for different needs

Explaining that they have developed a 3-meter electric catapult to launch Azab T150, Fırat said that Azab T200 has a 6-meter catapult, and that it can be launched from a truck or container since the rocket system, which is still in progress, is completed.

Stating that they presented Azab to the Presidency of Defense Industries and received positive feedback, Fırat said, "The fact that a UAV with these features can become flying and the load it has reached is not a point reached in Turkey yet. "At the same time, it is the only one in its class in Turkey. At the same time, we see great interest abroad. We had contact with two countries this week. It will be a good product for both our exports and our army." he said.

Pointing out that Azap versions are shaped according to needs, Selçuk Fırat gave the following information about usage concepts:

"We developed Azab T150 for operational transport. We built at least 3 of them in the hands of a team so that they can throw them behind the car and shoot them with a camera at a distance of 100 kilometers. The Azab T200, on the other hand, was built as a deterrent to protect the country's borders at long distances. It has a range of kilometers, you can control it up to 200 kilometers. Then it advances to its target. When you reach the target, it performs the dive as you wish. It can dive vertically or at an angle if you want. It can self-destruct when it reaches its target or when the mission is over. "

"Very little chance of being detected by radar"

Pointing out that the most fundamental difference that distinguishes Azab from similar products is its useful load carrying capacity, Fırat continued as follows:

"Currently, there is no kamikaze UAV carrying payloads in these capacities in our country. Another important feature is that it is user-guided and can be set up very easily. It is also a platform that can be developed. Do not think of Azab as just a kamikaze UAV. It can also be used by integrating different payloads. Even though Azab can carry a load of 50 kilograms if you want. We can extend the platform to a wingspan of 3.5 meters, we can design its fuselage any way we want. Thanks to its radar cross-section and composite body, it is a product that is very unlikely to be caught by the radar. In our tests, it usually flies between 50-100 meters, "The minimum altitude is at these levels. Azab can reach a speed of 278 kilometers per hour, it goes very fast. The operator can control Azab up to a range of 200 kilometers. It is possible to reach a range of 500 kilometers with the T200."

Türkiye'nin yeni kamikaze İHA'sı "Azab" geliyor

Savunma sanayisinde son dönemde en fazla dikkati çeken ürünlerden olan kamikaze insansız hava araçlarına (İHA) "Azab" ismiyle Türkiye'den yeni bir çözüm eklendi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

I wonder how many people will get triggered at a Turkish weapon using an Arabic name not realising Azab not just means grave punishment but also Azaps were Ottoman infantry used as frontline troops to tire out the enemy before the big guns or main infantry was used.

Basically this drone is going to cause destruction and chaos to the enemy before even using your main stuff.

Centuries has passed and we still use concepts our ancestors used but with modern tech.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I wonder how many people will get triggered at a Turkish weapon using an Arabic name not realising Azab not just means grave punishment but also Azaps were Ottoman infantry used as frontline troops to tire out the enemy before the big guns or main infantry was used.

Basically this drone is going to cause destruction and chaos to the enemy before even using your main stuff.

Centuries has passed and we still use concepts our ancestors used but with modern tech.

Personally, it should have been spelled with a 'p' but whatever. I'm not really upset about it.

 

[Agha Sher]

Meaning that TB3 has already flown?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1638087572374036481