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Just go and check how powerful was the American industry and gdp in 1950s Compared to the world.

1950 American was the centre of industry,by now they import everything from Chinese

Even Trump said he would make American strong again.

But the people here know American better than Trump and suggested American is far far great than before.

The American fan boy just want to destroy every thread by doing Anglos Saxon god worship.
Fucking wow. I mean seriously WOW. You're taking Trump's words as a proof of something? Trump, a complete and utter idiot? FUCKING WOW. There is no need to talk with you at all lmao you're utterly clueless.
 

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UN and the international community did nothing while armenia occupied Azerbaijan for more than 30 years. armenia committed massacre after massacre and the useless UN did nothing. UN or any other international force will turn the region into a comedy. Nothing good comes out of the UN.
As I said, if it is possible through negotiations.

Anyway, your last assumption is fundamentally flawed, yes UN ability to act is very limited, however, it is also an undeniable fact that, UN missions prevented much more possible bloodshed in African conitent.

Sierra Leon, Congo, South Sudan are just some examples.
 

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Yeah, the thing is if Myanmar and Bangladesh get into conflict there is no practical reason for Indonesia to come at Myanmar defence.

First, Myanmar is a pariah regime.

conflict will likely to occur because of their fault.

This is what I think, even within ASEAN, Myanmar is very unpopular. Even Hun Sen denounce him


And in that case, you can definitely expect US and EU to come at Bangladesh support politically on the international stage. Not only because 80% percent of export goes in to west but also more importantly, because of 'Myanmar/China/Russia equation'

And even if still there is an actual threat from third party to get involve in the conflict we will just give the USA Saint Martin Island ( that they were craving for many years ) and you can expect a carrier strike group to move into the bay of bengal )

In the end the defence of your country rest solely in your govt and people, this is at best hopeful expectation. Your economy is enough to afford at least some sort of minimal essential force centered around whatever it deems necessary to maintain peace.

Indonesia design its military modernization in the form of MEF (minimum essential forces) that is just barely enough to be called capable force. But it works.
Secondly, ASEAN is not a military pact anyway.

Thirdly, As far as I know Myanmar doesn't hold any meaningful political or economic value to Indoensia either.

In addition to that, after all, Indonesia and Malyasia are muslim countries. ( keep your REALPOLOTIK out of here for a second ) And religious solidarity does effect foreign policy at some extent, specially in muslim countries.

And for the same reason you can expect all Arab and Muslim countries to come to Bangladesh's support politically if Bangladesh's sovereignty under attack.
In a personal matter yes, this could have some sort of effects, but I advise you to keep this to VERY BARE MINIMUM...you see the war in the Middle East and the Arabs really doesn't a shit about their own kin ?

Have you ever question why the Syrian migrated into Turkiye and Europe instead of S.Arabia and UAE ?
 

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In a personal matter yes, this could have some sort of effects, but I advise you to keep this to VERY BARE MINIMUM...you see the war in the Middle East and the Arabs really doesn't a shit about their own kin ?

Have you ever question why the Syrian migrated into Turkiye and Europe instead of S.Arabia and UAE ?
Yes, of course. There could be lengthy disscusion about that.

But BD's situation is considerably different compared to, let's say Syria or Yemen.

We have much more established political, structural and territorial integrity.

Besides, it is somewhat different when a muslim country is under aggression by somebody else.

For example, what happened during bosnian war. ( how muslim world responded back then )

Also keep in mind I am only talking about political backing. ( maybe some financial help if things get really worse ) nothing special.
 

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I watched it almost a year ago. Thought, it was really insightful.
@Nilgiri @Gary @Ryder

Lefties find it easy to critique, but they are always short on real practical solutions.

They almost always inevitably have some unhealthy fascination with growing govt power+size as a means to accomplishing their projects or whichever utopia they have envisaged in their mind....which just means in the end what level % of GOSPLAN do you want (when to me the whole argument is about keeping govt restrained and focused in the first place so no political ideology/ambition need suffer the downsides when they aren't in power).

You can already see the results of what big govt approach (LBJ setting it into motion after the JFK assassination political windfall) has done to the US from the mid 60s onwards.

Both its propensity for and then precedent set by reckless war (the first being Vietnam)....combined with the move to greater and greater amounts of public debt to pay for benefits+bureaucrat-driven federal welfare programs (rather than contribution driven which would actually scale with demographic and social changes).

All would not have happened if there was focused approach to what federal govt is there for. Then we can have the left vs right political debates and policy experimenting at the (local) resolutions best for it....and may the best balance win on it.

It is probably this (now) overleveraged approach towards big govt that the West will have to shed soon.

The first real stress test of scale is likely coming up this decade given what CBO is reminding and projecting each time to DC regarding the general unfunded liability of US govt (mostly on federal side).

France is already getting what its getting (given much smaller economy than the US) right now at a level of 200% of GDP with what little Macron is trying to steer away from the cliff there.

US is at 700%.... big govt can't go on like this much longer with its kicking the can delusion and addiction (and all mostly driven by leftist psyche these days - they literally want to double down on big govt level so far and add to it even more and live in la-la land about who pays for it). Reality will eventually do the job on its terms in cutting back everything at federal level.

The situation afterwards will be one of a more balanced proper resolution with local and state govt...and then (smaller govt + consistent argument) leftists I actually appreciate will become more relevant in discourse to me. Let us see.
 

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montemayor is back, after hiatus of about 1 year....


Arguably his largest claim to fame is "Midway from a Japanese perspective" series which pt 1 now has a whopping (well deserved) 16 million views or so...

@Gary @Madokafc @Anmdt et al.
 

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Whats interesting Babur actually drank a lot of alcohol but after that he promised God that he will give it up by smashing his glasses of wine after that he was promised victories by God.

A lot of Muslims who study history become shocked when they find out Muslim rulers drinking.

Life has never been black and white. Not all Muslims are going to be religious and devout.

This stereotype needs to be stopped.
 

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montemayor is back, after hiatus of about 1 year....


Arguably his largest claim to fame is "Midway from a Japanese perspective" series which pt 1 now has a whopping (well deserved) 16 million views or so...

@Gary @Madokafc @Anmdt et al.
Here's another good perspective on WW2.


Too bad the Japanese industry can't supply enough Ki-100 or even field the A7M Reppu. Would be a worth opponent of the Hellcat.

mitsubishi-a7m-reppu-profile-richard-filteau.jpg
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Here's another good perspective on WW2.


Too bad the Japanese industry can't supply enough Ki-100 or even field the A7M Reppu. Would be a worth opponent of the Hellcat.

mitsubishi-a7m-reppu-profile-richard-filteau.jpg
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Yah but this was common theme.

The war was essentially lost in Midway, no way around that....rest was just stretching out the inevitable.

The amount of investment in capital and trained crews gone in one fell swoop in Midway is pretty incomprehensible, I don't think its ever been repeated in intensity since.

This absolutely took a wrecking hammer to Japan's later war effort.

i.e Zero, Val, Kate.... none got their successors produced in any serious numbers that were needed, so they all headed to obsolescence anyway.

In any case even if Japan got its war industry underway seriously in the naval aviation follow-up, the lack of carriers to base them on and trained crews to handle them would have bitten them anyway.

Midway was just almost singularly crushing in that regard.
 

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Yeah he had this unlisted originally as an extra for the first one (for all those that stuck to the end).

Glad its listed now too.

W.r.t Nagumo, I always am reminded of certain scenes from the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" which I watched with my dad a lot as a kid.

Specifically Nagumo watching all the aircraft take off from Akagi as dawn approached.

Also his later decision to not send a final attack (which in hindsight could have potentially put Pearl Harbor facilities entirely out of commission).

Great casting selection for Yamamoto in that movie too, his calm almost catatonic state as he waited for news of the raid's result.

I know that movie like the back of my hand. They just dont make them like that anymore heh.
 

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Sheikh Hasina accuses US of seeking regime change in Bangladesh
‘They are trying to eliminate democracy and introduce a government that will not have a democratic existence,’ the Bangladesh prime minister said.
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Apr 11, 2023 · 12:03 pm

Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina. | LudovicMarin/AFP
Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina on Monday accused the United States of seeking a regime change in the country, bdnews24 reported.

“They are trying to eliminate democracy and introduce a government that will not have a democratic existence,” Hasina said in Parliament. “It’ll be an undemocratic action.”

Hasina’s criticism of the United States comes at a time when Washington has pulled up her party – the Awami League – on issues related to human rights.

In December, several former and current leaders of the Rapid Action Battalion were sanctioned by the United States. The RAB, an elite Bangladesh paramilitary unit, is alleged to have carried out enforced disappearances and extrajudicial killings on behalf of the government.



In the same month, American Ambassador Peter Haas had met families of victims of alleged enforced disappearance under Hasina’s rule. This included the family of Sajedul Islam Sumon, a leader from the Opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

In February, Derek Chollet, the US State Department counselor, had expressed concern about the decline of democracy in Bangladesh. He had warned that this would limit American cooperation with Dhaka and urged Hasina to ensure free and fair elections.

Also read: The great game in India’s backyard: How Pakistan, Bangladesh are balancing Washington and Moscow

On Monday, Hasina criticised the United States alleging that Washington does not practice its democratic norms beyond the Atlantic Ocean.



“They can overthrow the government of any country,” she claimed. “In particular, Muslim countries are going through tough situations.”

‘Pratham Alo is an enemy of people’
In her speech, the prime minister also criticised Bangla-language newspaper Prothom Alo, saying that it is an enemy of the Awami League, democracy and the people.

“I must say that they never want stability in the country,” Hasina said, according to bdnews24. “They were elated when an emergency was declared in 2007. It was then that two newspapers rolled up their sleeves [to achieve their goals].”



On March 30, the Hasina-led government had arrested Prothom Alo reporter, Shamsuzzaman Shams, on charges of writing false news on the rising food prices in Bangladesh, reported The Guardian.

Bangladesh Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan said that Shams was arrested under the country’s Digital Security Act as his report was “false, fabricated and ill-motivated”, reported Al Jazeera.

Bangladesh’s Digital Security Act has been denounced by critics as a flawed and draconian law, which has provisions of jail sentences of up to 14 years.



And that was State department’s response.
33:50


Special note- This is a direct and escalatory tone from BD's ruling party considering diplomatic consequences.

@Nilgiri the news is few days old but it is still super hot.
I am not sure if you are following this, but if you are interested in another US involvement in Subcontinent's politics, then welcome to the show!
Looks like it is on full motion!
Otherwise, that would have never came out from Prime Minister.

Also, @Ryder @Gary et al.
 
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Sheikh Hasina accuses US of seeking regime change in Bangladesh
‘They are trying to eliminate democracy and introduce a government that will not have a democratic existence,’ the Bangladesh prime minister said.
Scroll Staff
Apr 11, 2023 · 12:03 pm

Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina. | LudovicMarin/AFP
Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina on Monday accused the United States of seeking a regime change in the country, bdnews24 reported.

“They are trying to eliminate democracy and introduce a government that will not have a democratic existence,” Hasina said in Parliament. “It’ll be an undemocratic action.”

Hasina’s criticism of the United States comes at a time when Washington has pulled up her party – the Awami League – on issues related to human rights.

In December, several former and current leaders of the Rapid Action Battalion were sanctioned by the United States. The RAB, an elite Bangladesh paramilitary unit, is alleged to have carried out enforced disappearances and extrajudicial killings on behalf of the government.



In the same month, American Ambassador Peter Haas had met families of victims of alleged enforced disappearance under Hasina’s rule. This included the family of Sajedul Islam Sumon, a leader from the Opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

In February, Derek Chollet, the US State Department counselor, had expressed concern about the decline of democracy in Bangladesh. He had warned that this would limit American cooperation with Dhaka and urged Hasina to ensure free and fair elections.

Also read: The great game in India’s backyard: How Pakistan, Bangladesh are balancing Washington and Moscow

On Monday, Hasina criticised the United States alleging that Washington does not practice its democratic norms beyond the Atlantic Ocean.



“They can overthrow the government of any country,” she claimed. “In particular, Muslim countries are going through tough situations.”

‘Pratham Alo is an enemy of people’
In her speech, the prime minister also criticised Bangla-language newspaper Prothom Alo, saying that it is an enemy of the Awami League, democracy and the people.

“I must say that they never want stability in the country,” Hasina said, according to bdnews24. “They were elated when an emergency was declared in 2007. It was then that two newspapers rolled up their sleeves [to achieve their goals].”



On March 30, the Hasina-led government had arrested Prothom Alo reporter, Shamsuzzaman Shams, on charges of writing false news on the rising food prices in Bangladesh, reported The Guardian.

Bangladesh Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan said that Shams was arrested under the country’s Digital Security Act as his report was “false, fabricated and ill-motivated”, reported Al Jazeera.

Bangladesh’s Digital Security Act has been denounced by critics as a flawed and draconian law, which has provisions of jail sentences of up to 14 years.



And that was State department’s response.
33:50


Special note- This is a direct and significantly escalatery tone from BD's rulling party in terms of diplomatic consequences.

@Nilgiri the news is few days old but it is still super hot.
I am not sure if you are following this, but if you are interested in another US involvement in Subcontinent's politics, then welcome to the show!
Looks like it is on full motion!
Otherwise, that would have never came out from Prime Minister.

Also, @Ryder @Gary et al.

Yes I have been following the developments this year. It is natural succession to what has been growing for a few years now since Hasina first made her strategic plans in the mid/late 2000s (after losing power) and M. Yunus made his separate political party overture (and SHW got greatly upset at him over that - along with the US connection she perceived backing it).

US always kept some level of options open during her current tenure regarding that too....bringing up RAB, press freedom, religious freedom and other matters (directly or non directly through NGOs et al.) to keep the pot stirring should it be needed later....overlooking all vast hypocrisies on their own end as typically done.

Like I told you before in another thread, I see the expansion of that (more recently) as part of US applying pressure to BD to make it pick the US over China on more matters.

The US knows it (and the EU + Allies) has the raw numbers in BD current account earnings (relative to China) to underlie this moving forward.

Both Germany and Japan occupy relative sweet spots in this effort too (to come from allied side from both Europe and East Asian angles without the US having to do everything) if you look at them in the context of deep US allies that were previously axis (and the large portions of their state they had to fork over and reset entirely after WW2 and thus are key "rich + loyal yet different enough" frontmen in US policy worldwide compared to most).

That is why I see the DW documentary on RAB as part of what is precipitating now as well.

SHW will announce and say what she does as warnings as well. I don't see it as too unprecedented, she wants more of the earlier status quo so she can focus on what she prefers internally instead.

But the world changes and US + allied statecraft pressure will proceed despite that at ever increasing rate to leverage what they have to the maximum in various spots of interest to them in the world.

BD will have to accommodate to this new setting however it ends up doing.
 

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Sheikh Hasina accuses US of seeking regime change in Bangladesh
‘They are trying to eliminate democracy and introduce a government that will not have a democratic existence,’ the Bangladesh prime minister said.
Scroll Staff
Apr 11, 2023 · 12:03 pm

Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina. | LudovicMarin/AFP
Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina on Monday accused the United States of seeking a regime change in the country, bdnews24 reported.

“They are trying to eliminate democracy and introduce a government that will not have a democratic existence,” Hasina said in Parliament. “It’ll be an undemocratic action.”

Hasina’s criticism of the United States comes at a time when Washington has pulled up her party – the Awami League – on issues related to human rights.

In December, several former and current leaders of the Rapid Action Battalion were sanctioned by the United States. The RAB, an elite Bangladesh paramilitary unit, is alleged to have carried out enforced disappearances and extrajudicial killings on behalf of the government.



In the same month, American Ambassador Peter Haas had met families of victims of alleged enforced disappearance under Hasina’s rule. This included the family of Sajedul Islam Sumon, a leader from the Opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

In February, Derek Chollet, the US State Department counselor, had expressed concern about the decline of democracy in Bangladesh. He had warned that this would limit American cooperation with Dhaka and urged Hasina to ensure free and fair elections.

Also read: The great game in India’s backyard: How Pakistan, Bangladesh are balancing Washington and Moscow

On Monday, Hasina criticised the United States alleging that Washington does not practice its democratic norms beyond the Atlantic Ocean.



“They can overthrow the government of any country,” she claimed. “In particular, Muslim countries are going through tough situations.”

‘Pratham Alo is an enemy of people’
In her speech, the prime minister also criticised Bangla-language newspaper Prothom Alo, saying that it is an enemy of the Awami League, democracy and the people.

“I must say that they never want stability in the country,” Hasina said, according to bdnews24. “They were elated when an emergency was declared in 2007. It was then that two newspapers rolled up their sleeves [to achieve their goals].”



On March 30, the Hasina-led government had arrested Prothom Alo reporter, Shamsuzzaman Shams, on charges of writing false news on the rising food prices in Bangladesh, reported The Guardian.

Bangladesh Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan said that Shams was arrested under the country’s Digital Security Act as his report was “false, fabricated and ill-motivated”, reported Al Jazeera.

Bangladesh’s Digital Security Act has been denounced by critics as a flawed and draconian law, which has provisions of jail sentences of up to 14 years.



And that was State department’s response.
33:50


Special note- This is a direct and escalatory tone from BD's ruling party considering diplomatic consequences.

@Nilgiri the news is few days old but it is still super hot.
I am not sure if you are following this, but if you are interested in another US involvement in Subcontinent's politics, then welcome to the show!
Looks like it is on full motion!
Otherwise, that would have never came out from Prime Minister.

Also, @Ryder @Gary et al.

I heard the USA does not like Bangladesh's neutral stance in geopolitics.

Bangladesh benefits from not choosing sides.
 

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Just gonna chime in here.

Being the sword of Islam for about 1000 years, Turks had an oversized effect on the religion and vice versa. No one can deny that, it's nature and tradition at this point. It is natural to say the words as they are a part of our language. You say alasmarladık when saying bye, you say vira bismillah when getting underway on a boat. Vira bismillah is more interesting, because vira a Greek originated word, doesn't have a meaning in Turkish.

One thing I notice with our guest friends from other parts of the world however is they fail to see that Turkish culture, although shaped and molded by Islam, is much bigger than just being a muslim. Being a muslim or being from a muslim background is only a part of our identity and for an important minority of our population, it's not even the biggest part of our identity. That's why we have no sharia, that's why Atatürk's reforms mostly worked in Turkey. Even for the most devout conservative muslims, republic offers far more and it's not a clash of religions or ideals inside Turkey or with our neighbors, even with adversaries; but mostly interests. Even after 22 years of Erdoğan, this has not changed. If anything, Turkey has never been this transactional in its history. We are not in this for a clash of civilizations, but for our interests. This never changed. Government tried it in the last decade, failed miserably on all fronts and now is trying to repair the damage caused. No one's talking about Rabia anymore, wonder why.

A well Articulated post.

I couldn’t help but to comment on it if you don’t mind.

This whole idea of clash of civilisations is unfortunately deeply rooted in Islamist Thinking all over the Muslim world. They just can't get over it.
And as far as I understood from my observation, the fundamental issue with the Islamists is, their perception of today’s reality is absurdly wrong. (There could be many reason for that, but I think, generally the lack of proper modern education is the prominent one.)

Yes, America maybe bad. But not because they have some sort of secret evil master plan to destroy Islam. Rather, it is mostly because they end up destroying small and weak countries for their raw interests.
And this is were the actual clash is, in a very materially driven earthy contest where big fishes tries to eat up smaller ones.

And it is not only the West, vast majority of Muslim countries also operates on the principles of Nation State. Where foreign policy is governed by National interest.
(Kind of ironically, it even includes oppressive theocracy like KSA)

Having said all of this, i think it is important to remember, even though states does not take on each other in today’s world for religious causes, there is always intellectual clash between different cultures and ways of life as whole. And this is a very natural socio-cultural process that has been going on since the very beginning of civilisation.
There is a reason why today, many Muslim societies consciously and unconsciously ended up adapting quite a few aspects of western culture rather than the other way around. (One primary example could be clothing.) That's because Islam largely as a culture has been in intellectual decline since the dawn of modernity. And it is usually the (intellectually) dominant culture that dictates the terms of interactions, next step for evolution/merging.



@Ryder bro, I know this kind of conversation usually interests you. You are also welcome for your valuable opinion.
 
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A well Articulated post.

I couldn’t help but to comment on it if you don’t mind.

This whole idea of clash of civilisations is unfortunately deeply rooted in Islamist Thinking all over the Muslim world. They just can't get over it.
And as far as I understood from my observation, the fundamental issue with the Islamists is, their perception of today’s reality is absurdly wrong. (There could be many reason for that, but I think, generally the lack of proper modern education is the prominent one.)

Yes, America maybe bad. But not because they have some sort of secret evil master plan to destroy Islam. Rather, it is mostly because they end up destroying small and weak countries for their raw interests.
And this is were the actual clash is, in a very materially driven earthy contest where big fishes tries to eat up smaller ones.

And it is not only the West, vast majority of Muslim countries also operates on the principles of Nation State. Where foreign policy is governed by National interest.
(Kind of ironically, it even includes oppressive theocracy like KSA)

Having said all of this, i think it is important to remember, even though states does not take on each other in today’s world for religious causes, there is always intellectual clash between different cultures and ways of life as whole. And this is a very natural socio-cultural process that has been going on since the very beginning of civilisation.
There is a reason why today, many Muslim societies consciously and unconsciously ended up adapting quite a few aspects of western culture rather than the other way around. (One primary example could be clothing.) That's because Islam largely as a culture has been in intellectual decline since the dawn of modernity. And it is usually the (intellectually) dominant culture that dictates the terms of interactions, next step for evolution/merging.



@Ryder bro, I know this kind of conversation usually interests you. You are also welcome for your valuable opinion.

Muslims like the Chinese and Indians come from a traditional society.

Hence why the Islamic World found it hard to even switch to the Industrial revolution.

Lets not forget how Colonialism destroyed the economies of the Islamic World. Muslims had the trade routes and the Europeans took it off them.

Europeans outlawing Slavery has also took a toll because of the Islamic World was not industrialised.

I dont believe Al Gazali has caused the decline as Islamic world still thrived in science in the Ottomans, Seljuks, Timurids, Mughals, Safavids, Malian, North Africa.

People think the Islamic Golden age ending in 1258 is orientalistic and Arabcentric. People nowadays are blaming Non Arab Muslims for decline thats not true.

Even if the Mongols and Crusaders did damage they did not destroy intellectual fabric.

Japan industrialised because a lot of the Muslim World lacked such a leader to impose industrialisation.

Then again traditional societies will resist if they believe their way of life will be destroyed.

I believe its lots of factors. People nowadays can easily blame Islam or the white man. I believe the various factors.

Since the Islamic World ranges from Morocco to Indonesia. All the Empires and Kingdoms went through their own problems.

I dont believe you can put Turks, Moroccans and Bengalis in the same basket.

But for the Turks its an interesting case study the Ottoman Empire was one of the strongest and powerful empires of its time spanning from Vienna to the border of Morocco. Ottoman armies were conquering parts of Europe, Asia and Africa and controlled one of the most important cities in history.

Only to collapse under its own weight. Decline and collapse is interesting should be read more. Its not a black and white issue.
 

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I do believe corruption and crappy leaders also contribute to a countries collapse.

Al andalus a lot of the Muslim rulers not only divided themselves they also fought among each other and wasted money on banquets and parties while outsourcing their fighting to mercenaries especially Christian ones.

Its no surprise that Islamic Spain got extinguished.

Civilisations will always collapse from their own doing.
 

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