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Mahfud should be involved in something like this, as both ministries are under his nominal authority

Kemlu and Kemhan/ TNI often has completely different approach to a problem. Kemlu is very pro-dialogue, a bit too liberal and pacifist, while TNI is eager to conflict, often resists change/ compromise. I think if they are not dibiasakan to work together under the same mindset, then in time crisis we will kebingungan because beda kementerian beda pandangan.

Back in Seroja, it was mainly ABRI idea to invade openly, while Kemlu (and surprisingly Suharto) initially try to avoid such a thing and try to use diplomacy instead.

MoFA under Adam Malik is quite aggresive though, they can handle many high profile issues with considerable success.

First they can secure Pepera results and with other agencies within Soeharto admin. able to outsmart UN observer including the Dutch. There is also under him, Indonesia scored winning points against ROC (largely as pay back for their many involvement in many rebellion in Indonesia back then especially PRRI/PERMESTA) by secured PRC position as the big five in UN general assembly

Then Seroja without MoFA under Adam Malik they cant get US and Australia support, and as long as everything is within "moderation" all will be fine and Indonesia can acquired fiveteen thousand kilometer square land and surprisingly at the time Indonesian Gov. Diplomat is quite capable to lobby the Australian gov. about Balibo five incident
 

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"American" UFO in Padang, Indonesia, 2009

" Amazing. Sometimes its like we are in hell fighting the worst of the worst human scum. He,s a very good talker. There,s fear in his voice every now and again. Lucky to be alive."



"In situations like this via explained accounts, you have to abstract from what is possible to what is most likely probable. Do UAP/UFOs/RAVs exist? I think the evidence speaks for itself. If craft like this exist, then some agency or management group would logically be responsible in monitoring flight/location activities. This is to ensure if something unusual happens, it can be quickly contained and the area secured. This in part assumes that these governing agencies what to keep tech like this very closely guarded. That is also a logical and probable. Having advanced tech like this running around earths atmosphere randomly creates a huge security and privacy risk if not protected. So you would logically need a crack team for this. These guys would obviously be highly trained and well geared to protect such technology. Concealed identity for such a group is a result of being part of the privacy and protection from public scrutiny. If not, these guys would be identified as American citizens working for private agencies harassing US Military personnel which if gotten ahold by US citizens would raise serious questions."
 

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Jurnal :
Volume 6 edisi 3, Maret-April 2023,


USAF Relations with the TNI–AU
The USAF’s relationship with the TNI–AU is developing positively, which helping the latter become a more dynamic service.54 Regular Airman-to-Airman Talks between the TNI–AU and US Pacific Air Forces (PACAF) are fostering mutual understanding and ideas for greater cooperation. The TNI–AU has a
higher percentage of English speakers than Indonesia’s other services, which facilitating security cooperation with the United States.
PACAF and TNI–AU have been holding Cope West exercises since 1989, with recent iterations focusing on F-16 and C-130 tactics, techniques, and procedures (TTP). In September 2021, USAF B-52s, Japanese Air Self-Defense Force 15Js, and TNI–AU F-16s conducted joint exercises around Guam. TNI–AU personnel have flown on US Navy 27th Squadron P-8s over the Natuna Sea and South China Sea.
USAF training emphasizes air safety cooperation, including maintainers and
weapon systems. The USAF provides maintainer safety training, and the USAF’s
chief noncommissioned officer has visited TNI–AU squadrons to emphasize
maintenance. The United States also facilitated the visit of TNI–AU personnel to
Australia for flight safety training.
The USAF has subject-matter experts on safety and HADR available for Indonesia, with five C-130Js stationed in Guam as part of the 36th Contingency Response Group. The USAF is also partnering with the TNI–AU to develop MDA, such as providing products from the 613th Air Operations Center, Hickam AFB,
Hawai’i, to detect thunderstorms for the TNI–AU and TNI–AL. Additionally, the USAF is working with the TNI–AU to lead Indonesia’s development of cyberdefense. The USAF recognizes the significant potential for air defense cooperation with the TNI–AU.
Defense sales are a crucial aspect of the USAF–TNI–AU relationship, and the
recent sale of 36 Boeing F-15EXs is a testament to this fact. The USAF is working closely with the TNI–AU to enhance its internal processes for building requirements and streamlining procurement. Lockheed-Martin has been instrumental in sales of F-16Vs, C-130-Js, and upgrades to the TNI–AU’s 33 F-16s to Block 72 capability. However, some challenges have arisen, such as the lack of personnel to perform upgrades and the budgeting and delivery of software and
advanced missiles. To address these issues, the United States has been working to
provide the TNI–AU’s C-130s and other air mobility aircraft through the excess
defense articles program. Differences in financial and reporting systems between
the US and Indonesia have also posed challenges. While US foreign military sales
offer more flexibility in finance reporting, Indonesia operates on an annual finance
system—US foreign military sales are multiyear.
To address this issue, the TNI–
AU is a member of the US System Improvement Program and Advanced System Improvement Program, which will help provide greater evidence that Indonesia is meeting US foreign military sales targets
 
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For all the flak I often think of when it comes to the US, the spirit and ingenuity of it's people often I admire. Take Corvette, for example. Born out of a desire to provide the people with affordable supercar, those who can take on the European counterparts. And lo and behold, a damn car that always punches above it's weight class. Now look where they are at right now?! A mid-engine, state-of-the-art monster out of Detroit, the C8.

If we associate Japanese with discipline and wisdom, I'd associate these American dream makers with grit and sheer will.
 

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Kapan yah punya fully enclosed hangar buat lontong.
Hmmm not necessarily though, our submarine dock or dermaga kapal selam, both in surabaya and palu are atleast partially covered from optical spy satellites, plus the roof structure act as cantilever for the overhead crane (only in surabaya)
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although im not sure the recent condition of the Palu submarine dock after 2018 tsunamis, i think its poses no harm to the structures.

Even the nowaday Kriegsmarine (not Nazis) left the idea of enclosed submarine base and go full open without any coverage. Earlier Kriegsmarine, built these base, Saint-Nazaire U-Boote base
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THEY EVEN HAVE DRYDOCK FACILITY, HOW AWESOME.

and nowaday German Navy main submarine base, Eckenforde Submarine Base
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(even ours better than them....atleast..)
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funfact : damn so thicc

Natuna and Batam should also be built these structures. Or even better to have something like cave submarine base spread all over the country
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According to the report, the Chinese side sent warplanes including the J-10C fighter jet, the JH-7A fighter bomber and the KJ-500 early warning aircraft of the PLA Air Force and the J-11B fighter jet in the painting of the aviation force of the PLA Navy.

Thai aircraft that took part in the exercise include the Saab JAS 39 Gripen, the Alpha Jet and the Saab 340 early warning aircraft, the Bangkok Post reported on July 17.

Whats the risk PLA studying the RTAF Saab AEW capabilities for other Saab user?
 

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It will be more interesting if Thailand is allowed to get F-35 and later conducting joint exercise with China using F-35 and even allow the Chinese pilot and technician to inspect F-35 closely.
automaticly reject by US
 
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