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"India and Armenia could not reach an agreement in the negotiations regarding the establishment of a UAV factory in Armenia."
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Most likely with a private defense firm since what Armenia needs is Iranian kamikaze style drones which are only being developed by private players. Not to mention, Azeris with Turkish support can easily bomb this factory given the dominance y'all currently hold in the aerial theatre
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They probably thought that Azeris can not attack if the factory's location inside Armenia .During the war, they fired Scud missiles at the civilian area in the city of Gence to provoke Azerbaijan to attack Armenian cities.They thought that the bilateral agreement with Russia would step in and the Russians would save them.But Azerbaijan did not carry the war to the Armenian lands (Karabakh is Azerbaijan).
Ermenistan'ın Gence'deki sivilleri 'orta menzili balistik füze Elbrus' ile vurduğu belirlendi
Azerbaycan'ın Gence kentinde sivillere ait yerleşim yerini hedef alan füzenin orta menzili balistik füze Elbrus olduğu bildirildi. - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr
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This factory if setup will only be assembly of knocked down kits received from India, but there are a ton of other factors to consider like the cost of setup, logistics, supply chain, UAT testing etc which makes it harder for a land locked state and the potential risk involved for private firms on such investmentThey probably thought that Azeris can not attack if the factory's location inside Armenia .During the war, they fired Scud missiles at the civilian area in the city of Gence to provoke Azerbaijan to attack Armenian cities.They thought that the bilateral agreement with Russia would step in and the Russians would save them.
Ermenistan'ın Gence'deki sivilleri 'orta menzili balistik füze Elbrus' ile vurduğu belirlendi
Azerbaycan'ın Gence kentinde sivillere ait yerleşim yerini hedef alan füzenin orta menzili balistik füze Elbrus olduğu bildirildi. - Anadolu Ajansı
If such a proposal is even being considered in the first place, I'm sure an alternate plan must've been in the works like directly supplying these drones from India via Iran. Just need to churn em' out in numbers
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Indian MGS self-propelled howitzers could enhance Brazilian artillery's capabilities | Defense News September 2023 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2023 | Archive News year
India-Made MGS Self-Propelled Howitzers Could Enhance Brazilian Army's Artillery Capabilities
On August 18, 2023, the Brazilian Army Commission issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) and a Request for Tender (RFT) to acquire 155mm wheeled self-propelled armored combat vehicles (VBC OAP 155mm SR). General Paiva, who has been in India since August 31, 2023, attended several discussions at India's South Block. He also observed a live demonstration of the Indian Army's capabilities at the Pokhran firing ranges.
The contract aims to acquire approximately 36 of these wheeled self-propelled artillery units to meet the current needs of the Brazilian Army. The new artillery is expected to enhance the Brazilian Army's firepower, covering a range of 20 to 40 km, which is not achievable with their existing 155mm self-propelled howitzers nearing the end of their operational life.
According to industry reports, Israel's Elbit Systems is offering its 155mm/52 caliber ATMOS truck-mounted howitzer, while France's Nexter is also in competition with its 155mm Caesar artillery system. Turkish defense firm MKE has also expressed interest, showcasing its truck-mounted howitzer Yavuz. But now India is also entering this market with its own self-propelled gun, the 155mm/52cal Mounted Gun System (MGS), which was presented to General Paiva.
The MGS features a fortified cab at the front, designed to shield against small arms fire and shrapnel from artillery shells. Operated by a seven-member crew, all firing activities can be executed from within the safety of this cab. The truck's rear section is equipped with a 155mm, 52-caliber ATAGS (Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System), capable of carrying 24 rounds and charges.
Initiated by India's DRDO in 2013, the ATAGS project aims to phase out older artillery systems in the Indian Army. The gun assembly includes a barrel, breech mechanism, muzzle brake, and a recoil system, allowing it to fire 155mm shells up to a maximum distance of 48 km.
The MGS also boasts a "shoot-and-scoot" capability, an artillery tactic that involves firing at an enemy target and then quickly relocating to evade retaliatory fire. With ERFB High Explosive Extended Range (BT) ammunition, the MGS can achieve a maximum firing range of 35 km, and up to 45 km when using ERFB (BB) artillery rounds. The artillery system has a horizontal traverse of approximately 25° and a vertical elevation range from 0° to 72°. It can unleash a burst of three rounds in under 30 seconds and maintain a sustained firing rate of 42 rounds per hour.
The MGS can be combat-ready, firing its first round in less than 80 seconds, and can vacate its firing position in under 85 seconds. On the road, the truck can reach top speeds of 80 km/h and manage 40 km/h in off-road conditions.
It remains to be seen which system Brazil will choose, but the Indian system certainly has its merits.
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@Nilgiri 90 guns (equipped with advanced digital fire control system) for $155 millions only is incredibly cost effective.
Honestly, ATAGS is really state of art. If BD and India had good relation, I would have really love to see it with our Artillery in numbers. But then again, the whole reason of BD army and its size exist because of.....
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According to reports in the Indian media, at least 20 of these radar systems would be installed along Bangladesh’s coastline.
This was from 2019 October.
www.benarnews.org
And this was from 2022 September.
Now we are in 2023 October. Does anybody knows what happened to that project? @Nilgiri @Gessler
This was from 2019 October.
Bangladesh Gives India Greenlight to Install Surveillance Radar System
Other issues, such as India’s latest registry of citizens in Assam state, went to the backburner, during Hasina’s four-day visit.
And this was from 2022 September.
Coastal Radars, Border Deaths Discussed During India-Bangladesh Talks
India has nudged Bangladesh to implement a three-year-old agreement that allows it to set up a network of surveillance radars along the coastline of the neighbouring country.
www.ndtv.com
Now we are in 2023 October. Does anybody knows what happened to that project? @Nilgiri @Gessler
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According to reports in the Indian media, at least 20 of these radar systems would be installed along Bangladesh’s coastline.
This was from 2019 October.
Bangladesh Gives India Greenlight to Install Surveillance Radar System
Other issues, such as India’s latest registry of citizens in Assam state, went to the backburner, during Hasina’s four-day visit.
And this was from 2022 September.
Coastal Radars, Border Deaths Discussed During India-Bangladesh Talks
India has nudged Bangladesh to implement a three-year-old agreement that allows it to set up a network of surveillance radars along the coastline of the neighbouring country.www.ndtv.com
Now we are in 2023 October. Does anybody knows what happened to that project? @Nilgiri @Gessler
Havent heard much on it since. There was some talk in 2022 of India pressing BD govt to implement the MOU.
I guess both sides wait till BD election is finished and see what the context is then (BD establishment bargaining strength and propensity on the broader matters) as this (coastal radar extension to BD to monitor Chinese PLAN etc) is a power move w.r.t Indian interests primarily.
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Well, there are some ambiguities that I actually want to know about.
If this is buy-in agreement or what?
Although Indian media is selling at India setting up radars to monitor Chinese ship, actual MOU text says 'to Provide Bangladesh coastal surveillance radar'. (Which sounds like to me like an export deal under line of credit)
And If this is a purchase then wouldn’t surveillance data sharing depend on Bangladesh's own decision?
India previously transferred similar radar to Maldives, are those operated by Indian operators?
That is a big gamble on everybody’s part.
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They won't put that kind of thing in the MOU....it would signal something way too explicitly that would upset things for both sides.
That is for the media people and "commentators" to fill time with, in general atmosphere of backdrop of very limited acquisition to begin with from BD w.r.t Indian defence products, for clear reasons that I empathise with BD regarding (i.e I would do more or less same way if I were in their shoes, just like way India has done things in similar underlying fashion with stronger powers too).
i.e what would be different in this to acquire tiers above more mundane things? The generic commentator/analyst argument would go it would have to be a strategic/political angle that is larger/significant and goes above usual rank and file decisionmaking etc etc.
Even if it was strictly buy-sell stuff for sake of argument, catch 22 will naturally originate in media/chat and whatever hearsay and selective leaking anyway. So we are stuck with same issue anyway.
These countries in the region need to grow and mature a lot more to integrate into something more trustworthy/assured with the establishments (like say Europe has done overall compared to how it started first half of the 20th century with). Otherwise all kind of agenda, ego, victim, fear et al. laundering clouds things especially in an immediate ongoing chunk of time.
In current environment, India would have had to have done something like completely take the BD side w.r.t Burma...rather than do things like provide a kilo submarine to them (post-rohingya but before the current civil war spate started).
Otherwise simply put, BD will hold its nose on same matter (of even greater support, incl. the UNSC vote where action against Burma was vetoed by them and I think Russia too) regarding China has w.r.t Burmese regime and continue acquiring a number of things from them as China simply has enough distance away from BD.
But Indian establishment has valued great-game positioning in Burma to be of higher worth than what may or may not develop w.r.t BD establishment and its defence market and collective security cohesion etc. It is what it is....while we wait for the future that may be different.
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The Armenian Army purchased Indian 155-mm MArG howitzers manufactured by Bharat Forge. The MarG wheeled self-propelled gun was developed by Kalyani Strategic Systems Limited and was first shown in 2021. The MArG self-propelled gun is equipped with a 155 mm gun with a barrel length of 39 calibers and mounted on a 4 = 4 vehicle. The MarG self-propelled gun is equipped with an armored cabin for a crew of five and has a modern fire control system. It is stated that the MArG 155-BR self-propelled gun is capable of conducting long-term fire with a rate of fire of 42 rounds in 60 minutes. In intensive fire mode, the rate of fire of the self-propelled gun is 12 shots in three minutes. The firing range of the self-propelled gun is up to 24 kilometers, the transportable ammunition load is 18 shells. The time to bring the self-propelled gun into combat position is up to 2 minutes. The weight of the MarG self-propelled gun is 18 tons.
