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3rd tweet of today, I guess giving nukes to North Korea is a fair trade for ATACMs in Ukraine.
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Even better reason for South Korea to ammend their constitution and pour an enormous number of weapons into Ukraine to spite the dismal populous of North Korea and to further piss off the Russians.
South Korea providing weapons systems directly to Ukraine would be a great boost to the Ukrainian cause.
One can only hope that ATACMS in the hands of Ukrainians lead to many young Russians making a one way trip to Ukraine. Tax money well spent!
Footage of an attack by two Ukrainian FPV drones on a Russian T-72B3 tank, this is a modernization of the tank created in 2011. FPV drones were equipped with warheads from RKG-3EM hand-held cumulative grenades; the RKG-3EM series grenade is capable of penetrating up to 220 mm of armor. RKG-3 grenades were actively used in the Soviet army before the advent of the RG-18 grenade launcher. Reportedly, this attack occurred in the Krasnolimansky direction, where two tanks stormed a stronghold of the Ukrainian army; for an unknown reason, the grenades mounted on the drones did not work. The video has been shortened.
Footage of an incredible battle, a Russian T-72 tank against a column of Ukrainian equipment consisting of 2 tanks and five M1224 MaxxPro armored vehicles. Actively maneuvering, the tank, with the support of artillery, stopped the advance of the Ukrainian column near Novoadarovka. The video is shortened, there is a lot of profanity in it.
An attempt to attack an MT-LB armored vehicle with a German DM-22 mine in Ukraine. The Russian MT-LB armored personnel carrier was almost hit by a German DM-22 mine from the Ukrainian army. Judging by the video, the mine fired at the wrong time, apparently due to an error by its operator or incorrect installation; the mine fired earlier and did not hit the MT-LB armored vehicle. The DM-22 anti-tank mine is usually installed along roads
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wait you didnt think they were supporting Ukraine earlier?
wonder with what if Poland i heard is getting like a 1000 tanks from them.
ukrainians saying iskanders got doubled near belarus, it would suck if they start getting handed over and immediately destroyed, maybe this will be the new miracle weapon that changes the war like F-16s?
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It's increasing the turret tossing elevation.
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The US is boosting production for artillery crucial to Ukraine's forces as it struggles to keep up with Russia's war machine
A Pentagon official said the US aims to make 100,000 shells a month by 2025. Russia, meanwhile, is on track to manufacture two million shells a year.
www.businessinsider.com
This is where, gradually the U.S. industry will come onto the battlefield. 57K/month next spring and 100K/month artillery shells forecasted to be achieved in 2025, which translates to the U.S. alone eventually producing up to 1.2 million rounds a year, that's a year and a half from now. Europe could probably add more or less the same, The EU has committed up to a million rounds until next year and most of them will be supplied by Germany which currently is the West's largest tank round producer and is forecasted to contribute up to 600K artillery ammo per year or half the US.
Russian production currently is at 2 Million rounds a year, maybe with more ramping up could add a million rounds next year + likely North Korean supply of 152mm which I guess would be in the range of hundreds of thousands per year.
Please note that All of Russia's own production is for their own use, while US and European production must be divided to re-stock their own arsenal, foreign sales, and Ukraine.
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The US is boosting production for artillery crucial to Ukraine's forces as it struggles to keep up with Russia's war machine
A Pentagon official said the US aims to make 100,000 shells a month by 2025. Russia, meanwhile, is on track to manufacture two million shells a year.
This is where, gradually the U.S. industry will come onto the battlefield. 57K/month next spring and 100K/month artillery shells forecasted to be achieved in 2025, which translates to the U.S. alone eventually producing up to 1.2 million rounds a year, that's a year and a half from now. Europe could probably add more or less the same, The EU has committed up to a million rounds until next year and most of them will be supplied by Germany which currently is the West's largest tank round producer and is forecasted to contribute up to 600K artillery ammo per year or half the US.
Russian production currently is at 2 Million rounds a year, maybe with more ramping up could add a million rounds next year + likely North Korean supply of 152mm which I guess would be in the range of hundreds of thousands per year.
Please note that All of Russia's own production is for their own use, while US and European production must be divided to re-stock their own arsenal, foreign sales, and Ukraine.
Crazy how this could actually bring back WW1 and WW2 like mass production. Execpt this time we have much better technology which allows to us to be more effective and efficient. Think about not just mass production of quantity but also mass production of quality.
This video from Ford vs Ferrari or Lemans 66 explains it.
Go to war!!
Not to mention NK uses Soviet weapons along with Soviet means of mass production. Russians wont have a problem using NK stuff because its well intergrated into their ecosystem. Afterall it was the Russians who were helping NK set up its weapon industries.
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Indeed. in WW2 factories that built cars, toys, refrigerators, and furniture were transformed overnight into making tanks, grenades, and planes, this is especially true with the U.S. That's why I said earlier that a new war in continental Europe with NATO involved, and we'll see Porsche back into the tank-making business. Not just Porsche, but Ford, Mercedes Benz, and Renault would re-tool from building cars to tanks, IFV's and MRAPs.
4 out of 5 largest manufacturing countries happen to be in the Western camp, and even if just two would realistically join the war in NATO-related conflict in continental Europe (Germany and USA) we would still be looking at a combined output of 22% of the world's total, not including the industrial might of Britain, France, Italy or Spain.
So if I'm Putin the best course of action is to do whatever can be done to avoid NATO being dragged into the war. The fact that Russia produces 7 times the combined ammo of the West is the fact that in NATO countries, the production and acquisition process is still in peace mode.
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The best course of action is encouage Chinese to invade Taiwan.Indeed. in WW2 factories that built cars, toys, refrigerators, and furniture were transformed overnight into making tanks, grenades, and planes, this is especially true with the U.S. That's why I said earlier that a new war in continental Europe with NATO involved, and we'll see Porsche back into the tank-making business. Not just Porsche, but Ford, Mercedes Benz, and Renault would re-tool from building cars to tanks, IFV's and MRAPs.
4 out of 5 largest manufacturing countries happen to be in the Western camp, and even if just two would realistically join the war in NATO-related conflict in continental Europe (Germany and USA) we would still be looking at a combined output of 22% of the world's total, not including the industrial might of Britain, France, Italy or Spain.
So if I'm Putin the best course of action is to do whatever can be done to avoid NATO being dragged into the war. The fact that Russia produces 7 times the combined ammo of the West is the fact that in NATO countries, the production and acquisition process is still in peace mode.
The work of the Russian electronic warfare "Krasukha 4" in Ukraine, the operator's story. The crew of the Russian electronic warfare complex “Krasukha-4” spoke about their work in Ukraine. The complex was put into service in 2012, the exact data on it is still secret. In an interview, the serviceman stated the operating range of the complex; most likely it is underestimated.
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Lol Russia can't even find a HIMARS right now. They've been completely inept in tracking them down to destroy them. They've made a couple silly claims, but without any video evidence.
As for South Korea, all they've been doing is backfilling USA artillery shells supplies because there constitution does not allow them to ship directly to a war zone, without ammendment. They have A LOT of military capacity to help with if they're motivated enough. And we're not talking about the Soviet era crap North Korea posseses.
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That would not be in China's best interest right now. China is not ready for war with USA and her Allies in the region. Someday China will be, but right now the Tawainese, American, Japanese, South Korean, Australian alliance in the region (along with other allies) would lead China into an awful war of attrition that I don't think the Chinese have any interest in fighting.
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tornadoes do have longer ranges used conservatively in war until the production number reaches to what they want to start any plans and even North Korea has systems that claim 100k-200kms called the KN-09 which rumors say will be handed over to Russia
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Action is coming I guess, if it is I hope the Ukrainians haven't exhausted themselves too much.
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I've long been of the opinion that the joint American, EU, British, Canadian, South Korean and Australian effort to keep Ukraine supplied with shells will amount to about 150,000 shells per month, enough for them to fire 3000'ish shells per day. In the long run maybe that ramps up into the 4000-5000 shell range, but not earlier than 2025, IMO.The US is boosting production for artillery crucial to Ukraine's forces as it struggles to keep up with Russia's war machine
A Pentagon official said the US aims to make 100,000 shells a month by 2025. Russia, meanwhile, is on track to manufacture two million shells a year.
This is where, gradually the U.S. industry will come onto the battlefield. 57K/month next spring and 100K/month artillery shells forecasted to be achieved in 2025, which translates to the U.S. alone eventually producing up to 1.2 million rounds a year, that's a year and a half from now. Europe could probably add more or less the same, The EU has committed up to a million rounds until next year and most of them will be supplied by Germany which currently is the West's largest tank round producer and is forecasted to contribute up to 600K artillery ammo per year or half the US.
Russian production currently is at 2 Million rounds a year, maybe with more ramping up could add a million rounds next year + likely North Korean supply of 152mm which I guess would be in the range of hundreds of thousands per year.
Please note that All of Russia's own production is for their own use, while US and European production must be divided to re-stock their own arsenal, foreign sales, and Ukraine.
That's certainly not ideal, however, Ukraine does have some advantages. They both outrange Russian artillery and the modern 155mm systems that they employ have proven much more accurate than their Russian counterparts. They also possess superior counter battery RADAR. As a result, they can afford to have half the production of Russia and possess the same capability. Russia's artillery strategy is largely geared toward saturation, so it requires substantial production. Western artillery tactics are much more geared towards precision and quality over quantity.
Below is my projection for artillery shell deliveries to Ukraine in 2024 (not counting 60mm, 81mm or 120mm mortar, or GMRLS for HIMARS).
105mm, 122mm, 152mm, 155mm artillery per month...
EU: 70,000
USA: 50,000
Domestic: 15,000
Britain: 15,000
Canada / Australia: 10,000
All other sources: 10,000-15,000
Note: I believe GMLRS for HIMARS will continue to be supplied to Ukraine in quantities of 500-750 units per month. Lockheed Martin was recently awarded a $4.8 billion contract to ramp up production to 14,000 GMLRS per year in 2024 and 2025. I believe 6000-9000 of those rockets will be earmarked for Ukraine, to supplement artillery shell delivery, with the remaining 5000-8000 used to re-stock U.S. inventories and to supply allied purchasers abroad.
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