Pakistan > China > Turkey > etc....
Actually in lot of cases China is put before Pakistan even in the ranking.
I remember lot of episodes I can quote and name with examples....but the one that stuck in my head the most is the bridal scam thread regarding Chinese workers entrapping + trafficking local Pakistani girls and women back to China.
When Pakistani members started to criticize China/Chinese.....they literally had that complete mental case Feng "nuke everyone" Leng posting repeatedly that Pakistan would be nothing without China...that China should reverse alliance and even ally India to defeat and dissolve Pakistan....and way worse things I wont repeat here....all because they start to get just 1% heat more than they got used to with the lordship treatment.
This was all done in full view of the mods/admins there (I even remember mods replying just few posts below like nothing out of ordinary happened)... and its just one example. I actually felt sorry for some of my most bitter Pak enemies on PDF in that thread....they were censured (except a few bigger names that were "allowed" to punch back) to make way for extreme sugar-daddy protection. I knew then and there exactly what is going to happen down road, that it has gotten to this level back then.
Like seriously all one need ask is what is the point of keeping such guy like that Feng Leng around? He is clearly mentally disturbed and only saps every bit of logical and rational energy (that ought to make bedrock of any forum) everywhere he is.
The problem really started after they got emboldened when Turks were told to stay away from certain topics outside of their section and all the earlier Chinese "mods" also left and none to replace (and thus trolls ended up filling that role....with alt-accounting and all kind of other games they do)
It has just gotten worse, the wumao horde just entrenches and establishes more and more....behaviours of theirs metastasize and cannot even be questioned...forget challenging. I got several bans for merely posting uighur news and then pictures of Tibetan monasteries in India....and that too from so called "more reasonable" mods....one of which later play his full real hand on the Turk exodus.
Lot of these things I feel I was canary in coalmine for....yet I still kept belief in the greater idea of a forum and maybe how it once was....I helped reason to webby there to keep a valuable member in Indonesian subforum for example (when webby was quick to permaban him over literally nothing)...this is one of reasons Indonesians there know me and wonder what happened later.
So it just matter of time that it expands like a flood to all else after Turkish "dam" was broached and then later totally broken on it (through no fault of Turks). We all know that story there. With unceasing floods its just matter of time to erode and sweep away things....only so much residents can bear of it....and they must seek higher better ground in the end for their own sake.
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But tbh, this is all the forum admin's fault....there is a psyche that most if not all outsiders (to South Asia) just will not really understand about Pakistani elitists (forum admins + mods are just small subset representation/manifestation of it).
I will bore too many people exploring it here again....but it is not without reason after fall from grace and ejection from Eden, the first story is about two brothers.
The Abel and Cain complex is very poignant one to our human condition always. Because I do deep down consider them brothers, but extremely and likely irreversibly estranged now....we know how sour family dynamics can do to one's mind and reinforced neo-identity.
To estrange from an acquaintance and friend is not the same to estrange from a parent or sibling. It needs far far more emotional investiture into things not very healthy if you ask me. Being the smaller of the two, one has far higher intensity of this compared to the other imo.
I feel it is a deep lie (about religion being single reason for country to form) that broke millenia of trial and tribulation of this older brotherhood whatever the issues and strife was.
That so few in just few short years caused the partition and whatever it takes to shield "the reason" and make it some eternal truth....while ignoring how their earlier people lived side by side and functioned side by side...and gaslighting as required for that and double down on it more even after you betray and lose half your countrymen in most brutal of war because they had enough of all of that.
Some people compare Israel as the one other country founded exclusively on religion....but it is really different situation to me given the role of migration from Europe in Israel case....compared to genuine son-of-soil brotherhood found in my Hindustan so long.... that had to shatter so suddenly and rudely and be accepted as some new reality and even inevitable.
This has lingering consequence, and outsiders simply get caught up in it in their specific, general and unique ways....but you won't get the complete picture unless you know each and every larger story regarding this in sufficient close detail growing up.
In short, Pakistan, Defence and Forum......each 3 of these words capture only small (and shrinking) part of the reality there. It is a compromised psychological fantasy escapade....those that are of certain profile enjoy it, mud and all....but all others smell the growing rank stink...and cannot tolerate anymore. It is just matter of time and interest.
