TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[fushkee]

"Invasion" word comes to me very funny. To invade a country with 85m population and almost 800k km2 should be a bit tough.
US does not need any excuse in order to send a troop or armada to anywhere across the world. She has capable of doing that in any matter.
Especially, sending CVS duty group to a limited waters unlike ocean (like Mediterranean sea) is too risky to protect for itself especially against a powerful country in terms of every aspect like Turkiye.

 

[Bozan]

"Invasion" word comes to me very funny. To invade a country with 85m population and almost 800k km2 should be a bit tough.
US does not need any excuse in order to send a troop or armada to anywhere across the world. She has capable of doing that in any matter.
Especially, sending CVS duty group to a limited waters unlike ocean (like Mediterranean sea) is too risky to protect for itself especially against a powerful country in terms of every aspect like Turkiye.

TR's power is not even comparable to the US, TR is comparable to regional actors like Iran, Israel, Egypt. US is several leagues beyond.

US military has almost a trillion dollars in spending per year

TR is not even 20 billion...they spend around the same as the just the US coastguard

 

[Bozan]

TR's power is not even comparable to the US, TR is comparable to regional actors like Iran, Israel, Egypt. US is several leagues beyond.

US military has almost a trillion dollars in spending per year

TR is not even 20 billion...they spend around the same as the just the US coastguard

Building and operating one carrier strike group for one year is $28 billion dollars, more than TR military budget in a year. America has 9 of these.

 

[Chocopie]

TR's power is not even comparable to the US, TR is comparable to regional actors like Iran, Israel, Egypt. US is several leagues beyond.

US military has almost a trillion dollars in spending per year

TR is not even 20 billion...they spend around the same as the just the US coastguard

The US military force is unmatched, except maybe someday by rising China.

800 US military bases around the globe, greatest air force and navy, military technology leader, most experienced in combined arms warfare, formidable C4ISR.

What happened to Türkiye‘s defence budget? -26% from 2021 to 2023 at $10.6 bill. ranked 23rd worldwide.

 

[Heartbang]

Cenk "The horse whisperer" Uygur has decided to run for presidency.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712280210362544304

Thoughts?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

The US military force is unmatched, except maybe someday by rising China.

800 US military bases around the globe, greatest air force and navy, military technology leader, most experienced in combined arms warfare, formidable C4ISR.

What happened to Türkiye‘s defence budget? -26% from 2021 to 2023 at $10.6 bill. ranked 23rd worldwide.

Unmached really?
We are not living in 1980 anymore
Today with modern tech and that US big aircraft carrier will blow up beyond repair .
Its very easy for at least top 10 countries in tech to build sea drones undetected that cam stay for days to wait enemy ships and blow them up .
Just like Turkiye with Watozz project and UÇA mine

 

[B_A]

TR's power is not even comparable to the US, TR is comparable to regional actors like Iran, Israel, Egypt. US is several leagues beyond.

US military has almost a trillion dollars in spending per year

TR is not even 20 billion...they spend around the same as the just the US coastguard

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Building and operating one carrier strike group for one year is $28 billion dollars, more than TR military budget in a year. America has 9 of these.

And they cannot even beat Chinese in 1950,vietnamese in 1970.

 

[B_A]

Unmached really?
We are not living in 1980 anymore
Today with modern tech and that US big aircraft carrier will blow up beyond repair .
Its very easy for at least top 10 countries in tech to build sea drones undetected that cam stay for days to wait enemy ships and blow them up .
Just like Turkiye with Watozz project and UÇA mine

They also guess Israel was Unmatched just several days before.

 

[B_A]

The US military force is unmatched, except maybe someday by rising China.

800 US military bases around the globe, greatest air force and navy, military technology leader, most experienced in combined arms warfare, formidable C4ISR.

What happened to Türkiye‘s defence budget? -26% from 2021 to 2023 at $10.6 bill. ranked 23rd worldwide.

When will the Unmatched US force help you to wipe out the poor DPRK?

 

[Chocopie]

Unmached really?
We are not living in 1980 anymore
Today with modern tech and that US big aircraft carrier will blow up beyond repair .
Its very easy for at least top 10 countries in tech to build sea drones undetected that cam stay for days to wait enemy ships and blow them up .
Just like Turkiye with Watozz project and UÇA mine

So, when did an enemy blew up a US carrier group? Even if a combatant could manage this task, that poor adversary will be stomped to dust by US air power as consequence.

 

[Chocopie]

And they cannot even beat Chinese in 1950,vietnamese in 1970.

They could have nuked China to rubble in 1950, MacArthur even planned it. It wasn‘t worth it for them in a proxy war like Korea or guerilla war in Vietnam backed by China and Soviet Union.

 

[Chocopie]

When will the Unmatched US force help you to wipe out the poor DPRK?

Nobody wants to wipe out a nuclear state like North Korea. The South wants them to behave not annihilate them. They are Koreans, not some foreign folks.

Nice try provoking and baiting a flame war here. You racist slurs against East Asians are well known to me. Bye, on my ignore list.

 

[Afif]

Nice try provoking and baiting a flame war here. You racist slurs against East Asians are well known to me. Bye, on my ignore list.

Racist slur? Few days ago you were so excited that Palestinian people will die in masses.

 

[Chocopie]

Racist slur? Few days ago you were so excited that Palestinian people will die in masses.

You‘re projecting. Don‘t put words in my mouth or insinuate intentions.

Taking sides with Israel in killing Hamas terrorists ain‘t being „excited that Palestinians will die in masses.“

Didn’t you stated excitement about a urban battle of Hamas with IDF in Gaza City?

 

[Kartal1]

Minister of Foreign Affairs Hakan Fidan:

"(Evacuations from Gaza) There are approximately 300 dual national Turkish citizens inside. We managed to evacuate 30 of them."

 

[BalkanTurk90]

So, when did an enemy blew up a US carrier group? Even if a combatant could manage this task, that poor adversary will be stomped to dust by US air power as consequence.

Where will that airpower come from?
AC will be demaged by Wattoz like smart mine around 2000 km away and other weapons . Airbases around europe and Middle east will be targeted with all kind of weapons from small one to Big MRBM
Aslo Turkiye will have advance SAMs that can take out most missiles .
Only Kinzhal type weapons can attack but it cost so much and will not do a big demage only if US have 100k of them .
We aslo can bomb US mainland and their factories . We can use submarines , commercial big cointeiners with houndreds of missiles and agents with drones etc

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is USS America. It is a Kitty Hawk class vessel. Last of its kind conventionally powered 84000 ton super carrier. Launched in 1964 and decommissioned in 1996. Sunk in 2005.
It took US airforce over 25 days of heavy bombing to sink her. How it was sunk and what took it to be sunk is classified. Even then the superstructure was still afloat albeit mostly submerged.
That is the quality of engineering that goes in to building these super carriers. They are built in such modular formation that flooding a chamber is not enough to cause cascade flooding to get the ship to sink. The newer ships are built with experience gained in the sinking of USS America.

As well as carrying numerous defensive weapons on board like ASW helicopters, Sonars, CWIS and ESSM air defence missiles, a super carrier is accompanied by around 10 ships that form the strike group which are responsible for protecting the carrier. These include destroyers frigates and nuclear submarines, with SAMs of the most modern types that are effective for any threat the strike group may encounter.

Anything less than a nuclear strike, is not going to have much effect to make a dent in this armour.
There are 11 strike groups like this in the US Navy. With a further 5 shown as retired. But most probably, to be ready in the event of an emergency, for active duty. (USS JF Kennedy being readied for joining the naval forces in 2025. )

Anyone thinking that they can take on such a fighting power head on and win, with current technology is having a pipe dream. There will be chinks in its armour that could be exploited. But it is not an easy task to accomplish by any account.

 

[Bozan]

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This is USS America. It is a Kitty Hawk class vessel. Last of its kind conventionally powered 84000 ton super carrier. Launched in 1964 and decommissioned in 1996. Sunk in 2005.
It took US airforce over 25 days of heavy bombing to sink her. How it was sunk and what took it to be sunk is classified. Even then the superstructure was still afloat albeit mostly submerged.
That is the quality of engineering that goes in to building these super carriers. They are built in such modular formation that flooding a chamber is not enough to cause cascade flooding to get the ship to sink. The newer ships are built with experience gained in the sinking of USS America.

As well as carrying numerous defensive weapons on board like ASW helicopters, Sonars, CWIS and ESSM air defence missiles, a super carrier is accompanied by around 10 ships that form the strike group which are responsible for protecting the carrier. These include destroyers frigates and nuclear submarines, with SAMs of the most modern types that are effective for any threat the strike group may encounter.
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Anything less than a nuclear strike, is not going to have much effect to make a dent in this armour.
There are 11 strike groups like this in the US Navy. With a further 5 shown as retired. But most probably, to be ready in the event of an emergency, for active duty. (USS JF Kennedy being readied for joining the naval forces in 2025. )

Anyone thinking that they can take on such a fighting power head on and win, with current technology is having a pipe dream. There will be chinks in its armour that could be exploited. But it is not an easy task to accomplish by any account.

Fahrettin is extremely effective at his job of creating delusions lol

 

[uçuyorum]

If a handful of anti ship cruise missiles did end up hitting it, that could disable the facilities needed for planes to take off and land and force the ship to get back for repairs. You don't need to sink it. And if you manage to hit propulsion system with a torpedo, it will have to be towed.

 

[Kartal1]

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This is USS America. It is a Kitty Hawk class vessel. Last of its kind conventionally powered 84000 ton super carrier. Launched in 1964 and decommissioned in 1996. Sunk in 2005.
It took US airforce over 25 days of heavy bombing to sink her. How it was sunk and what took it to be sunk is classified. Even then the superstructure was still afloat albeit mostly submerged.
That is the quality of engineering that goes in to building these super carriers. They are built in such modular formation that flooding a chamber is not enough to cause cascade flooding to get the ship to sink. The newer ships are built with experience gained in the sinking of USS America.

As well as carrying numerous defensive weapons on board like ASW helicopters, Sonars, CWIS and ESSM air defence missiles, a super carrier is accompanied by around 10 ships that form the strike group which are responsible for protecting the carrier. These include destroyers frigates and nuclear submarines, with SAMs of the most modern types that are effective for any threat the strike group may encounter.
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Anything less than a nuclear strike, is not going to have much effect to make a dent in this armour.
There are 11 strike groups like this in the US Navy. With a further 5 shown as retired. But most probably, to be ready in the event of an emergency, for active duty. (USS JF Kennedy being readied for joining the naval forces in 2025. )

Anyone thinking that they can take on such a fighting power head on and win, with current technology is having a pipe dream. There will be chinks in its armour that could be exploited. But it is not an easy task to accomplish by any account.

Thank you for this detailed post! This serve as a lesson to those who think sinking an aircraft carrier of this size and quality is a piece of cake.

The aircraft carrier is a beast on itself. Now taking in account the whole strike group operating together this is even worst. We must take some lessons and understand why navies who operate aircraft carriers are thought to be elite navies. Thinking of how much money and expertise is needed in designing, constructing and operating such beasts is just mind blowing. I hope one day Turkiye also reaches this level to be part of this elite entity, projecting its power in the seas.