Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Van Kravchenko]

By "last month", Is he talking about this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1329920708168855552

By OEM, I was thinking about the local one. But If not, even something a bit "crazy" like Scorpene is possible.

I just thinking that was the super insect tho

I dont want to be self sophiscating about subs and so on, for me its to luxury

Oh my, my poor mentality wkwk

 

[Umigami]

I just thinking that was the super insect tho

I dont want to be self sophiscating about subs and so on, for me its to luxury

Oh my, my poor mentality wkwk

US weaponry need to be approved by senate and other "tetek-bengek" procedures. There's no way we can sign a the contract before the end of the year.

My guess are 30ffm, Scorpene, or Rafale.

 

[kooppyyy]

US weaponry need to be approved by senate and other "tetek-bengek" procedures. There's no way we can sign a the contract before the end of the year.

My guess are 30ffm, Scorpene, or Rafale.

I won't be surprised if it's actually the solutions offered by the French WG.

 

[Umigami]

produk gorengan nya si Alman Helvas + bonus beberapa cabe rawit

On the old formil cabe rawit means Midget submarine. Subamarine He always push is Scorpene. But Naval Group doesn't has Midget sub on their portfolio.

 

[R4duga]

On the old formil cabe rawit means Midget submarine. Subamarine He always push is Scorpene. But Naval Group doesn't has Midget sub on their portfolio.

perhaps "pensil"

im allright with everything they choose to substitute the "anjing kampung" contract in the end , whether they choose German Shepherd or the French Mastiff , as long as they commited to the contract .

 

[trishna_amrta]

On the old formil cabe rawit means Midget submarine. Subamarine He always push is Scorpene. But Naval Group doesn't has Midget sub on their portfolio.

 

[Umigami]

NOPE!
Naval Group definitely doesn't sale this one!

 

[R4duga]

https://koarmada2.tnial.mil.id/2020...anuver-lapangan-latihan-glagaspur-tk-iii-l-3/

TNI AL. Koarmada II, 01 Desember 2020.

Latihan Glagaspur TK III/L-3 Tahun 2020 yang digelar oleh Satuan Kapal Ranjau (Satran) Koarmada II, sebagai ajang untuk meningkatkan kemampuan dan profesionalisme prajurit telah memasuki Tahap Manuver Lapangan pada Kamis (26/11) lalu di Perairan Situbondo.

Dalam Latihan Glagaspur TK III / L-3 tahun ini, Satran koarmada II melibatkan tiga unsur kapal perangnya yakni KRI Pulau Rengat-711, KRI Pulau Rupat-712 dan KRI Pulau Rimau-724 dan unsur pendukung dari Satkopaska, Dislambair, Diskes dan Arsenal.

Kondor class soon will be replaced , those tripartite class (pulau rengat & pulau rupat) looks extremely clean like they never touch sea water ....

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1333542322001256449

So what stuff that we get ?

Sorry i post here, dont know wether its Navy, Army, Or Air Force one

Referring shipyards as OEM sounds a bit odd. And also "submitting proposal" sounds odd for a procurement Indonesia will make, it is rather Indonesia has requested a proposal (budget, plan etc) and the supplier has submitted it after negotiations, it doesn't make sense for a proposal to come out of nothing.

If he didn't make any mistakes with the writing i would assume someone has proposed:
either, local-licensed production of some parts (electronics-sensors) and establishing a factory in Indonesia thus they submitted a request, and OEM fits for them.
or, someone is about to buy something from Indonesia, which is less likely based on what he wrote.

If i didn't know his stance against Japanese systems,i would definitely say this would be Soryu or 30FFM, since it is only Japanese has visited a shipyard and probably submarine docks and also offers local production, low interest credit, ToT in considerable amount and the negotiations have been positive so far but again, in this case why would Japan do a direct request instead of inking a bilateral agreement (it suits well if Indonesia has requested the proposal to get the approval from state but again, we know his stance on Japanese systems) ?

He has been ranting about 30FFM and Japanese dominating the market in Indonesia which can make us only think, the Soryu negotations have been positive, thus he has earlier ranted about Japanese domination and lastly told about this procurement.

Lastly, win-win part, a true win for indonesia beyond this point wouldn't be just local production but extensive training of personnel, ToT in design and production of critical parts ability to conduct advanced calculations or acquiring rights of the designs for re-sale like Makassar Class. Win for the seller should't be something for money especially if it is DCNS but rather offering lower prices and making sales through Indonesia in SEA however, this conflicts with previous consideration of license rights.

 

[Madokafc]

Referring shipyards as OEM sounds a bit odd. And also "submitting proposal" sounds odd for a procurement Indonesia will make, it is rather Indonesia has requested a proposal (budget, plan etc) and the supplier has submitted it after negotiations, it doesn't make sense for a proposal to come out of nothing.

If he didn't make any mistakes with the writing i would assume someone has proposed:
either, local-licensed production of some parts (electronics-sensors) and establishing a factory in Indonesia thus they submitted a request, and OEM fits for them.
or, someone is about to buy something from Indonesia, which is less likely based on what he wrote.

If i didn't know his stance against Japanese systems,i would definitely say this would be Soryu or 30FFM, since it is only Japanese has visited a shipyard and probably submarine docks and also offers local production, low interest credit, ToT in considerable amount and the negotiations have been positive so far but again, in this case why would Japan do a direct request instead of inking a bilateral agreement (it suits well if Indonesia has requested the proposal to get the approval from state but again, we know his stance on Japanese systems) ?

He has been ranting about 30FFM and Japanese dominating the market in Indonesia which can make us only think, the Soryu negotations have been positive, thus he has earlier ranted about Japanese domination and lastly told about this procurement.

Lastly, win-win part, a true win for indonesia beyond this point wouldn't be just local production but extensive training of personnel, ToT in design and production of critical parts ability to conduct advanced calculations or acquiring rights of the designs for re-sale like Makassar Class. Win for the seller should't be something for money especially if it is DCNS but rather offering lower prices and making sales through Indonesia in SEA however, this conflicts with previous consideration of license rights.

He is salesman through and thoroughly, what he called win win maybe and most likely is not in according in many Indonesian member taste.

But so far, Indonesia had quite late to introduced newer weapon system to replace the old ones for example system urgently needed to be replaced like Van Speijk class and Parchim class, the other thing is system to replace our very old Command ship from Japan acquire in 1960's and so many other like air defense system in which still using S60 system, fleets of old obsolete light tanks and tracked APC's, Submarine who far from ideal number and Frigates and Corvettes who far from ideal condition right now and beyond their useful condition and so on, the very number of Aircraft fighter which is in chronic situation in which you need to carefully made use of them or you would put them soon into Maintenance Depot and so lacking in number further just to do some peaceful patrol routine and training will become a luxury, so any deals to decently alleviate such situation would be win win solution at this points of time.

 

[Anmdt]

He is salesman through and thoroughly, what he called win win maybe and most likely is not in according in many Indonesian member taste.

But so far, Indonesia had quite late to introduced newer weapon system to replace the old ones for example system urgently needed to be replaced like Van Speijk class and Parchim class, the other thing is system to replace our very old Command ship from Japan acquire in 1960's and so many other like air defense system in which still using S60 system, fleets of old obsolete light tanks and tracked APC's, Submarine who far from ideal number and Frigates and Corvettes who far from ideal condition right now and beyond their useful condition and so on, the very number of Aircraft fighter which is in chronic situation in which you need to carefully made use of them or you would put them soon into Maintenance Depot and so lacking in number further just to do some peaceful patrol routine and training will become a luxury, so any deals to decently alleviate such situation would be win win solution at this points of time.

Speaking for naval programs, Indonesia can handle replacement of Van Speijk and Parchim on their own, PT PAL isn't at the same place in design as they have been in the past, a lot better, and with minimum interference of foreign suppliers (indirectly as subcontractors) an ASW Corvette - Patrol vessel - Multi Role Corvette can be designed and built, it needs money and effort and not just some sketched but well worked design. It is a must, the design should be entirely local from scratch, not assisted (in major terms) or aided (designed and delivered as packages) from foreign sources or partners like some private companies does and competes in such a way.
the command ship would be easiest among them (except electronics) ,considering the abilities on Makassar class both in construction and modification.

 

[Madokafc]

Speaking for naval programs, Indonesia can handle replacement of Van Speijk and Parchim on their own, PT PAL isn't at the same place in design as they have been in the past, a lot better, and with minimum interference of foreign suppliers (indirectly as subcontractors) an ASW Corvette - Patrol vessel - Multi Role Corvette can be designed and built, it needs money and effort and not just some sketched but well worked design. It is a must, the design should be entirely local from scratch, not assisted (in major terms) or aided (designed and delivered as packages) from foreign sources or partners like some private companies does and competes in such a way.
the command ship would be easiest among them (except electronics) ,considering the abilities on Makassar class both in construction and modification.

I had two or three reputable Shipyard in Indonesia in my mind who can handle large military order of Naval warships, first is PT PAL, second Daya Radar Utama (though they had been mirred with corruption case lately), third Citra Shipyard and Batamec Shipyard. They sure all can handle less complicated order like OPV, Small Missiles boats , LST, LPD and Oiler & logistic vessels but for the much complex system like Frigates and Corvettes except for PT PAL who had much experience , most of them had to undergo qualification and certified test and being assisted by foreign advisor to accumulated experience before taking the rein to handle such project alone.

At the same time we are trying to nurture PT LEN to handle electronic system (in which the most expensive stuff) along with PT DI and Pindad to develop other sub system needed for an actual warships.

 

[Gary]

On land , at sea and in the air , there's so much exercise lately

 

[Robiolastecc]

Perhaps we should barter this commodity for submarine, tahu isi and ote-ote are far tastier than baguette

 

[Anmdt]

LST, LPD and Oiler

These three actually not simple, depends on configuration and what is requested from them. and for OPV it can again depends on sensors and capabilities, can discuss later in appropriate threads. Lets say these shipyards have been lucky on those platforms so now it looks easy.

 

[R4duga]

Noice , I hope it got realized as soon as possible

source :

https://www.facebook.com/Bakamla.RI/posts/1554861674723050

"Presiden RI Joko Widodo sudah bicara langsung dan saya dengar sendiri pada saat setelah pelantikan Kepala Bakamla RI yang baru Laksdya TNI Aan Kurnia S.Sos., M.M., dalam pertemuan tersebut ada Presiden RI Joko Widodo, Mantan Presiden RI ke-5 Megawati Soekarnoputri, Mantan Menko Polhukam Wiranto dan saya. Presiden mengatakan bahwa kedepan di laut yang diberikan kewenangan hanya Bakamla RI,” papar Wakil Ketua 1 DPD RI Letjen TNI Mar (Purn) Dr. Nono Sampono.

Kepala Badan Keamanan Laut RI Laksamana Madya TNI Aan Kurnia, S.Sos., M.M., mengundang DPD RI untuk hadir dalam acara Diskusi dan Silahturahmi dalam rangka melaporkan capaian kerja Bakamla RI tahun 2020 dan tantangan masa depan terkait keamanan dan keselamatan laut khususnya perairan Natuna Utara.

Pada kesempatan tersebut Laksdya TNI Aan Kurnia menjelaskan ada 16 poin pencapaian kerja Bakamla RI di tahun 2020.
Berita selengkapnya di www.bakamla.go.id
#BakamlaRI #HumasBakamlaRI #BadanKeamananLaut #SayaBakamla #IndonesianCoastGuard #ImIndonesianCoastGuard #Indonesian #CoastGuard #LawanCOVID-19 #IMIC

 

[Umigami]

Noice , I hope it got realized as soon as possible

source :

https://www.facebook.com/Bakamla.RI/posts/1554861674723050

"Presiden RI Joko Widodo sudah bicara langsung dan saya dengar sendiri pada saat setelah pelantikan Kepala Bakamla RI yang baru Laksdya TNI Aan Kurnia S.Sos., M.M., dalam pertemuan tersebut ada Presiden RI Joko Widodo, Mantan Presiden RI ke-5 Megawati Soekarnoputri, Mantan Menko Polhukam Wiranto dan saya. Presiden mengatakan bahwa kedepan di laut yang diberikan kewenangan hanya Bakamla RI,” papar Wakil Ketua 1 DPD RI Letjen TNI Mar (Purn) Dr. Nono Sampono.

Kepala Badan Keamanan Laut RI Laksamana Madya TNI Aan Kurnia, S.Sos., M.M., mengundang DPD RI untuk hadir dalam acara Diskusi dan Silahturahmi dalam rangka melaporkan capaian kerja Bakamla RI tahun 2020 dan tantangan masa depan terkait keamanan dan keselamatan laut khususnya perairan Natuna Utara.

Pada kesempatan tersebut Laksdya TNI Aan Kurnia menjelaskan ada 16 poin pencapaian kerja Bakamla RI di tahun 2020.
Berita selengkapnya di www.bakamla.go.id
#BakamlaRI #HumasBakamlaRI #BadanKeamananLaut #SayaBakamla #IndonesianCoastGuard #ImIndonesianCoastGuard #Indonesian #CoastGuard #LawanCOVID-19 #IMIC

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What does he mean by bakamla only?
Navy?

 

[Madokafc]

What does he mean by bakamla only?
Navy?

Navy should only be responsible for the state external oriented policy, defense purpose, OMSP and be prepared for high time contingency incident when BAKAMLA is not adequate to handle such high profile jobs.

 

[Madokafc]

Maintenance routine of Indonesia Navy Submarine at PT PAL facilities, picture taken at 30 November 2020 credit to lembaga keris

 

[Umigami]

Maintenance routine of Indonesia Navy Submarine at PT PAL facilities, picture taken at 30 November 2020 credit to lembaga keris

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Why our sub so frequently get on the dock? And get dirty so easily?