Southeast Asia needs to consider hypersonics.

[Gary]

now that we'll soon have hypersonic weapons operator in our north and south.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1333536596579106816

 

[Anmdt]

And who will sell?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime
currently all of the developers are bound to MTCR, except China which doesn't have many allies to sell such a weapon.

 

[Gary]

now that we'll soon have hypersonic weapons operator in our north and south.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1333536596579106816

if we start research now, maybe 30 years later we might have one, it's better rather than If we start 30 years late.

 

[Anmdt]

maybe 30 years later we might have one

Maybe instead invest in railgun, hypervelocity -ER -guided projectiles, directed laser technology ,land based anti-ship missiles, swarm tactics with small FABs, with decent defensive plans?

 

[Gary]

Maybe instead invest in railgun, hypervelocity -ER -guided projectiles, directed laser technology ,land based anti-ship missiles, swarm tactics with small FABs, with decent defensive plans?

we have anti ship missile prototype already

 

[Anmdt]

we have anti ship missile prototype already

Prototype or Mock-up ? I can't differ by looking.

 

[lastlarst]

we have anti ship missile prototype already

Is this derived from the Chinese C-705 version?

 

[joedhie2k]

Not just the missile but actually whole comprehensive anti-ship missile system is required. Esp if those large LPDs are coming.

Short term acquisition will be air launched missile like brahmos. And the last one will be something like Udaloy II or Slava hehehehe

What interesting point is that this comes from an aussie. Normally they go jitter when TNI acquire something potent. Or probably they say SEA but actually means just sing and malay.

 

[NEKO]

if we start research now, maybe 30 years later we might have one, it's better rather than If we start 30 years late.

We can start with something more humble, lets start with subsonic first.

Prototype or Mock-up ? I can't differ by looking.

Its a mock up.

 

[Gary]

We can start with something more humble, lets start with subsonic first.

Its a mock up.

yup, but we must start somewhere.

Prototype or Mock-up ? I can't differ by looking.

you got a point, I think it's a mock up.

 

[Anmdt]

yup, but we must start somewhere.

you got a point, I think it's a mock up.

I don't know really, i was just asking.
Why not starting from rocket propelled GPS/INS, IR - IIR guided Anti-Ship missile? Turbojet can be added later.
there is sufficient rocket and guidance technology in Indonesia, IR/IIR and GPS/INS modules are available in the market. Could be done in a year or two, this will motivate people and companies. Seeing this on ships will do the effect as much as multi hundred million investments on community.

 

[Saithan]

@#comcom I recommend seabed installed LWT launchers and sonobuoy network + Patrol vessels add to that UAV. == ASW

 

[Nilgiri]

And who will sell?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime
currently all of the developers are bound to MTCR, except China which doesn't have many allies to sell such a weapon.

Brahmos has been brought up a few times in last couple Indonesian high level visits to India.

In fact export to Philippines looks like it was all set to be completed till they hit funding issue on their side (disappointingly):

BrahMos’ ‘first import destination’ Philippines hints deal may be delayed, cites Covid hit

Roman Babushkin, the Deputy Chief of Mission at Russian Embassy in India, had said this month that BrahMos Aerospace was looking at exporting the missiles to other countries.

theprint.in

If it can be done for PH, I see no reason INA would be some obstacle especially given INA is also better funded and ambitious to its needs....and IND-INA relations are strengthening and expanding in general with time.

Ofc given MTCR this would be the <300 km range (this was in fact what India was also restricted to by way of Russian export+JV control when India was not yet MTCR member), but in interim that is good start for INA to have I would say...especially to cover its crucial straits from land (shore based platform), and integrate into naval platforms too...and develop+deploy the requisite C4I sensoring+networking and the doctrine, experience etc in meantime.

@Zapper @Paro @crixus @Gautam

 

[Madokafc]

Brahmos has been brought up a few times in last couple Indonesian high level visits to India.

In fact export to Philippines looks like it was all set to be completed till they hit funding issue on their side (disappointingly):

BrahMos’ ‘first import destination’ Philippines hints deal may be delayed, cites Covid hit

Roman Babushkin, the Deputy Chief of Mission at Russian Embassy in India, had said this month that BrahMos Aerospace was looking at exporting the missiles to other countries.

theprint.in

If it can be done for PH, I see no reason INA would be some obstacle especially given INA is also better funded and ambitious to its needs....and IND-INA relations are strengthening and expanding in general with time.

Ofc given MTCR this would be the <300 km range (this was in fact what India was also restricted to by way of Russian export+JV control when India was not yet MTCR member), but in interim that is good start for INA to have I would say...especially to cover its crucial straits from land (shore based platform), and integrate into naval platforms too...and develop+deploy the requisite C4I sensoring+networking and the doctrine, experience etc in meantime.

@Zapper @Paro @crixus @Gautam

Don't know why, but i think MoD doesn't seem to be enthusiast about hypersonic weapon when they test the Yakhont Missiles from Russia in the past and chose the conventional Missiles instead. They surely had going to Russia to look for their coastal defense system and other stuff.

Someone from the Navy had giving his opinion to me they prefer a more maneuverable system, had better counter electronic measure and compabilities with Link Y and Link 16 they are employed especially one in our ASW Helicopter and MPA Aircraft.

 

[joedhie2k]

Yakhont is difficult to integrate in TNI AL platforms. They have to buy whole dedicated system like ships and radar helo to make it effective. Modified ships will not do.

Brahmos in the other hand has a version designed to be launched from Sukhoi MKI. Which is similar with our sukhoi. So I guess integration is easier.

Also given future acquisition plan on AU. IMO it is better for the Sukhoi sku to shift back to a2g warfare. Esp if they have special skill on anti-ship or precision strike. No more taking role on CAP and intercept mission.

 

[Paro]

Brahmos has been brought up a few times in last couple Indonesian high level visits to India.

In fact export to Philippines looks like it was all set to be completed till they hit funding issue on their side (disappointingly):

BrahMos’ ‘first import destination’ Philippines hints deal may be delayed, cites Covid hit

Roman Babushkin, the Deputy Chief of Mission at Russian Embassy in India, had said this month that BrahMos Aerospace was looking at exporting the missiles to other countries.

theprint.in

If it can be done for PH, I see no reason INA would be some obstacle especially given INA is also better funded and ambitious to its needs....and IND-INA relations are strengthening and expanding in general with time.

Ofc given MTCR this would be the <300 km range (this was in fact what India was also restricted to by way of Russian export+JV control when India was not yet MTCR member), but in interim that is good start for INA to have I would say...especially to cover its crucial straits from land (shore based platform), and integrate into naval platforms too...and develop+deploy the requisite C4I sensoring+networking and the doctrine, experience etc in meantime.

@Zapper @Paro @crixus @Gautam

PN & INA already have yakhont in their inventory since yearly 2000’s. And also Russians want to just refill yakhont orders to these existing inventories so it gives them some extra cash and the missile is cheaper too. Let’s see where this goes.

 

[Zapper]

Yakhont is difficult to integrate in TNI AL platforms. They have to buy whole dedicated system like ships and radar helo to make it effective. Modified ships will not do.

Brahmos in the other hand has a version designed to be launched from Sukhoi MKI. Which is similar with our sukhoi. So I guess integration is easier.

Also given future acquisition plan on AU. IMO it is better for the Sukhoi sku to shift back to a2g warfare. Esp if they have special skill on anti-ship or precision strike. No more taking role on CAP and intercept mission.

Most importantly, the previously used Russian booster and seeker of the Brahmos have been changed to Indian ones taking the Indian content of Brahmos to well over 75% and they're all entirely produced in India. The current production batch that are being received by the armed forces have a range of 450-500km. There are plans to upgrade the current inventory of surface and sea attack versions to 800km, the air launched version to 650km and there is a 1500km ranged variant under development. Additionally, the Brahmos-NG which is a smaller and lighter air launched variant will soon be integrated on all IAF fighter jets. There is also a hypersonic variant in the pipework but that might take a lil longer until the hypersonic tech achieves maturity.

Su-30MKI carrying the Brahmos-A version on it's center pylon

Brahmos-M (Mini)

Brahmos-NG

Brahmos-II Hypersonic

If y'all ever become part of the MTCR, GoI would be more than willing to offer the extended range variants as well

 

[Zapper]

Brahmos has been brought up a few times in last couple Indonesian high level visits to India.

In fact export to Philippines looks like it was all set to be completed till they hit funding issue on their side (disappointingly):

BrahMos’ ‘first import destination’ Philippines hints deal may be delayed, cites Covid hit

Roman Babushkin, the Deputy Chief of Mission at Russian Embassy in India, had said this month that BrahMos Aerospace was looking at exporting the missiles to other countries.

theprint.in

If it can be done for PH, I see no reason INA would be some obstacle especially given INA is also better funded and ambitious to its needs....and IND-INA relations are strengthening and expanding in general with time.

Ofc given MTCR this would be the <300 km range (this was in fact what India was also restricted to by way of Russian export+JV control when India was not yet MTCR member), but in interim that is good start for INA to have I would say...especially to cover its crucial straits from land (shore based platform), and integrate into naval platforms too...and develop+deploy the requisite C4I sensoring+networking and the doctrine, experience etc in meantime.

@Zapper @Paro @crixus @Gautam

TNI-AU has Su-27 & 30 in their inventory which can both use the upcoming version of Brahmos mini. They'd be able to carry the OG Brahmos-A as well but that would require strengthening of it's center pylon.

It would be a great start to go with the ship launched versions which would act as a good deterrence in SCS and 290km range should be good enough given SCS isn't really vast

 

[Nilgiri]

Most importantly, the previously used Russian booster and seeker of the Brahmos have been changed to Indian ones taking the Indian content of Brahmos to well over 75% and they're all entirely produced in India. The current production batch that are being received by the armed forces have a range of 450-500km. There are plans to upgrade the current inventory of surface and sea attack versions to 800km, the air launched version to 650km and there is a 1500km ranged variant under development. Additionally, the Brahmos-NG which is a smaller and lighter air launched variant will soon be integrated on all IAF fighter jets. There is also a hypersonic variant in the pipework but that might take a lil longer until the hypersonic tech achieves maturity.

Su-30MKI carrying the Brahmos-A version on it's center pylon

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Brahmos-M (Mini)

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Brahmos-NG
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Brahmos-II Hypersonic

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If y'all ever become part of the MTCR, GoI would be more than willing to offer the extended range variants as well

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